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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 10, 2010 10:49:59 GMT
Another question: would he want to join a club where he knows he's not welcome? Have journalists realized to ask this? Of course, he'd say something like that he's sure the majority of fans will learn to respect his attitude on the pitch and (his new attitude) beyond it; but nevertheless, would he want to join a club whose fans hate him? And could that be a reason to join another club that he feels its fans are not as hostile? You mean a Conference club? That would be about his level to score 20 in a single season. |
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Post by Sabas on Aug 10, 2010 10:55:20 GMT
Given some of his signings have been out of the blue (and some protracted), Maybe some of the stories are "Trial balloons" to try and guage how strong opposition to King signing would be (and whether it would die down after he'd actually signed) Good point. |
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Post by Sabas on Aug 10, 2010 10:57:20 GMT
Another question: would he want to join a club where he knows he's not welcome? Have journalists realized to ask this? Of course, he'd say something like that he's sure the majority of fans will learn to respect his attitude on the pitch and (his new attitude) beyond it; but nevertheless, would he want to join a club whose fans hate him? And could that be a reason to join another club that he feels its fans are not as hostile? You mean a Conference club? That would be about his level to score 20 in a single season. Coventry? I wonder what's their fans position; does anyone know? |
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Post by Markqpr on Aug 10, 2010 11:05:17 GMT
My two pennies worth (anyone got any change?)........... When the club were first mooted to be sniffing round King I dismissed it as paper talk as we have been linked to a lot a players over the last few years due to our perceived circumstance and so I dismissed it as rumour stemming from outside the club. Warnock's subsequent interview on Radio 5 seemed to rule out the idea that we would sign him so I moved on thinking that that was it. However more recent interviews with Warnock have suggested a change of heart behind the scenes at QPR and Warnock seems to now be spouting severe PR bollocks in order to soften the eventual shock if we were to sign King. Personally signing King would make a mockery of all the admiration I place in the value of Queen's Park Rangers. People have used the example of of Stanley Bowles in their argument to make a case for King, saying how the crowd loved him despite his domestic violence charges. As these charges arised in the 90s and Bowles played for us in the 70s I fail to see how that is an argument and more the desperate ramble of a morally sick individual trying to justify King's signing in the face of an overwhelming case for him not to be offered a place in our side. It also unfairly sullies the reputation if the QPR faithfull and our image as a family club in the 70s. In fact I'm amazed that a fellow supporter would be so quick to make up lies which show our club in a poor light to justify the signing of a 14 times convicted criminal and sex offender. That says far more about them then they realise. This shows a division within the fan base and the idea of King signing has morally appalled some already with others staying away if and when King does sign. Hardly good business by the club to continue to alienate it's fan/customer base in pursuit of profit. The board like the idea of King, in so much as he fits the boards idea of a good signing for the club. Having shown a complete lack of regard for the club since they arrived the board have even told us they don't particularly care what we think and are only interested in the bottom line. Routledge was sold so that Briatore could make a quick buck before he was shuffled off to the back where the mere sight of him would stop damaging our club, which proves to me that money is their sole motive for becoming invovled with us and will only want what is best for the club if it involves a profit. The profit to be made has become whats best for the club yet the club won't see any of that until our debts have been repayed to our lenders, the very people who are telling us how committed they are because of their 'investment', when in reality they are little more than arrogant money-lenders looking to turn a profit for themselves at any cost to our club before they move on. This is what makes King an attractive purchase for them. He's free and can't ask for excessive wages as we hold all the power behind the deal, which for the board in player negotiation terms must come as sweet relief especially after having to deal with 'bus loads' of agents in regards to Taraabt. They will look at it as good business as a player of King's supposed worth would cost a lot more. However as King has proven in his past, rehabilitaion is beyond him, this was his second conviction for sexual assault and violence towards women and the last in a long line of convictions. Clubs have stood by him in the past and been let down, so why should I believe him now? Because he say's he's innocent? Go on then prove it. You had one chance to do so and a judge and jury of his peers decided that the several eye-witness accounts from people who were there who positively identified King as the assailant were consistant and believable enough to find King guilty. Do I believe that he has evidence that can clear him? No. Why wait until after you have served your sentence to present it, surely he would have filed his appeal immediately on receiving it and turned his conviction round. His wife's comments are frankly laughable if the crime wasn't so abhorent to women in general. She states that he must be innocent as she won't leave him even though it would be lucrative to leave him. Two things Mrs. King, firstly in the short term it might be lucrative in the form of a one off payment from a tabloid for your 'story' and in a divorce deal. However if King can't find employment that divorce settlement will be a lot less and it's clearly more lucrative for you to stay with King for now to guarentee his future earnings by helping him find a club. Also as you are still with him after the previous conviction for sexual assault and violence towards women, why should you change your morals now and decide to leave him. Clearly that type of behaviour is acceptable to you. If King was truly innocent why not spend all his time and effort on clearing his name and then returning to football? To say that he deserves to go back to football before doing so is wrong. A wrongful conviction is a very serious matter and if King can overturn his conviction he will receive the compensation he deserves and would be able to return to football at his choosing. However he is spending his time and money on a PR campaign to muddy the waters so he can return to football immediately and carry on where he left off like the times before without even admitting his guilt or showing any remorse whatsoever. The fact that he is choosing to go down that route says enough for me to not believe him. The truth doesn't need carefully managed and plotted PR. He is a multiple convicted sex offender looking to get back to his previous lifestyle because he feel's entitled to it and to hell with his victims, who are left to pick up the pieces of their lives with no help from anyone else. Marlon King can burn in Hell for all I care. Anyone who hits a women for any reason other than seriously necessary self-defence and not because she objects to being sexually assaulted, does not deserve a 15th chance without entering a rehabilitation program first and facing up to their crimes and anyone helping him to do so might as well hold his next victim down for him as no-one would benefit from signing him except him-self and the board by bringing in a player of a certain supposed ability, suddenly he's a 20 season a goal man according to PR spouting Warnock, on the cheap. The cheapest bunch of owners we have ever had willing to sell the club down the line for their return. If they had the moralistic honour I bet they think they do, they would have told King to sod off a long time ago. scum player and hopefully not a scum board as well.  |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 10, 2010 11:05:41 GMT
That would indeed be interesting to know.
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 10, 2010 11:32:13 GMT
My two pennies worth (anyone got any change?)........... When the club were first mooted to be sniffing round King I dismissed it as paper talk as we have been linked to a lot a players over the last few years due to our perceived circumstance and so I dismissed it as rumour stemming from outside the club. Warnock's subsequent interview on Radio 5 seemed to rule out the idea that we would sign him so I moved on thinking that that was it. However more recent interviews with Warnock have suggested a change of heart behind the scenes at QPR and Warnock seems to now be spouting severe PR bollocks in order to soften the eventual shock if we were to sign King. Personally signing King would make a mockery of all the admiration I place in the value of Queen's Park Rangers. People have used the example of of Stanley Bowles in their argument to make a case for King, saying how the crowd loved him despite his domestic violence charges. As these charges arised in the 90s and Bowles played for us in the 70s I fail to see how that is an argument and more the desperate ramble of a morally sick individual trying to justify King's signing in the face of an overwhelming case for him not to be offered a place in our side. It also unfairly sullies the reputation if the QPR faithfull and our image as a family club in the 70s. In fact I'm amazed that a fellow supporter would be so quick to make up lies which show our club in a poor light to justify the signing of a 14 times convicted criminal and sex offender. That says far more about them then they realise. This shows a division within the fan base and the idea of King signing has morally appalled some already with others staying away if and when King does sign. Hardly good business by the club to continue to alienate it's fan/customer base in pursuit of profit. The board like the idea of King, in so much as he fits the boards idea of a good signing for the club. Having shown a complete lack of regard for the club since they arrived the board have even told us they don't particularly care what we think and are only interested in the bottom line. Routledge was sold so that Briatore could make a quick buck before he was shuffled off to the back where the mere sight of him would stop damaging our club, which proves to me that money is their sole motive for becoming invovled with us and will only want what is best for the club if it involves a profit. The profit to be made has become whats best for the club yet the club won't see any of that until our debts have been repayed to our lenders, the very people who are telling us how committed they are because of their 'investment', when in reality they are little more than arrogant money-lenders looking to turn a profit for themselves at any cost to our club before they move on. This is what makes King an attractive purchase for them. He's free and can't ask for excessive wages as we hold all the power behind the deal, which for the board in player negotiation terms must come as sweet relief especially after having to deal with 'bus loads' of agents in regards to Taraabt. They will look at it as good business as a player of King's supposed worth would cost a lot more. However as King has proven in his past, rehabilitaion is beyond him, this was his second conviction for sexual assault and violence towards women and the last in a long line of convictions. Clubs have stood by him in the past and been let down, so why should I believe him now? Because he say's he's innocent? Go on then prove it. You had one chance to do so and a judge and jury of his peers decided that the several eye-witness accounts from people who were there who positively identified King as the assailant were consistant and believable enough to find King guilty. Do I believe that he has evidence that can clear him? No. Why wait until after you have served your sentence to present it, surely he would have filed his appeal immediately on receiving it and turned his conviction round. His wife's comments are frankly laughable if the crime wasn't so abhorent to women in general. She states that he must be innocent as she won't leave him even though it would be lucrative to leave him. Two things Mrs. King, firstly in the short term it might be lucrative in the form of a one off payment from a tabloid for your 'story' and in a divorce deal. However if King can't find employment that divorce settlement will be a lot less and it's clearly more lucrative for you to stay with King for now to guarentee his future earnings by helping him find a club. Also as you are still with him after the previous conviction for sexual assault and violence towards women, why should you change your morals now and decide to leave him. Clearly that type of behaviour is acceptable to you. If King was truly innocent why not spend all his time and effort on clearing his name and then returning to football? To say that he deserves to go back to football before doing so is wrong. A wrongful conviction is a very serious matter and if King can overturn his conviction he will receive the compensation he deserves and would be able to return to football at his choosing. However he is spending his time and money on a PR campaign to muddy the waters so he can return to football immediately and carry on where he left off like the times before without even admitting his guilt or showing any remorse whatsoever. The fact that he is choosing to go down that route says enough for me to not believe him. The truth doesn't need carefully managed and plotted PR. He is a multiple convicted sex offender looking to get back to his previous lifestyle because he feel's entitled to it and to hell with his victims, who are left to pick up the pieces of their lives with no help from anyone else. Marlon King can burn in Hell for all I care. Anyone who hits a women for any reason other than seriously necessary self-defence and not because she objects to being sexually assaulted, does not deserve a 15th chance without entering a rehabilitation program first and facing up to their crimes and anyone helping him to do so might as well hold his next victim down for him as no-one would benefit from signing him except him-self and the board by bringing in a player of a certain supposed ability, suddenly he's a 20 season a goal man according to PR spouting Warnock, on the cheap. The cheapest bunch of owners we have ever had willing to sell the club down the line for their return. If they had the moralistic honour I bet they think they do, they would have told King to sod off a long time ago. scum player and hopefully not a scum board as well. Very well considered and articulated Mark, I am (as usual) in total agreement |
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Post by cpr on Aug 10, 2010 12:28:57 GMT
Didn't read the link obviously but he has not been training with the club. One rumour down, only the main rumour to be kicked into touch now. Please Rangers. |
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Aug 10, 2010 12:32:38 GMT
Well said Marky.
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Post by sharpy on Aug 10, 2010 14:32:11 GMT
"morally sick individual"
Aimed at me i take it ?.
I`m merely pointing out,that a woman beater post QPR is exceptable,and any thought of a slur on SB`s reputation is unthinkable.As i posted double standards are running wild here and elsewhere.
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Post by Markqpr on Aug 10, 2010 14:44:50 GMT
"morally sick individual" Aimed at me i take it ?. I`m merely pointing out,that a woman beater post QPR is exceptable,and any thought of a slur on SB`s reputation is unthinkable.As i posted double standards are running wild here and elsewhere. Sorry Sharpy, I can see where the confusion arises but no, that was certainly not aimed at you. I've read other posts, albeit on other messageboards, where the Stanley excuse was used in those terms and it was a reference to that. As far as double standards are concerned, I've had many occasion to shake Stanley's hand or get his autograph but stood back as I see him as an entirely flawed individual who needs to sort himself out. My main point being the two situations cannot be compared due to the timing. Though you have highlighted the division between the fans now that the King issue raises. Sorry for you to feel I was referring to you, believe me, you are not even on my mind. |
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Post by sharpy on Aug 10, 2010 14:49:00 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up Mark.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 14:49:01 GMT
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 10, 2010 16:31:56 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 16:35:28 GMT
That's very strange
Fyi there's an "ITK" poster on the dot.org saying definitely not happening
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 10, 2010 17:44:21 GMT
That's very strange Fyi there's an "ITK" poster on the dot.org saying definitely not happening But "was" it happening and has now stopped because of the backlash or was it never happening?  |
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Post by obk on Aug 10, 2010 17:57:35 GMT
Another question: would he want to join a club where he knows he's not welcome? Have journalists realized to ask this? Of course, he'd say something like that he's sure the majority of fans will learn to respect his attitude on the pitch and (his new attitude) beyond it; but nevertheless, would he want to join a club whose fans hate him? And could that be a reason to join another club that he feels its fans are not as hostile? The problem is that he would be welcome by the usual thugs, those that think success on the pitch is more important than women being beaten senseless. |
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Post by londonranger on Aug 10, 2010 17:57:50 GMT
He has a nice wife and kid.
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Post by obk on Aug 10, 2010 18:03:26 GMT
I admire his wife and kids, they must have gone through a lot -husband and father in jail, all the talk in media and elsewhere and Marlons chasing of skirt.
I'm happy to say I got a response to my e-mail to the club with a promise that it had been forwarded to manager and board as I had requested. Someone at the club is at least doing his best to keep customer relations from plummeting.
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Post by cpr on Aug 10, 2010 18:16:00 GMT
That's very strange Fyi there's an "ITK" poster on the dot.org saying definitely not happening I am relatively comfortable with the knowledge that he will not be joining us.  However, I reserve the right to retract that if he does. |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 18:27:13 GMT
Esuebio 13's point is good one: If it doesn't happen - WAS it happening and it's been stopped?
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Post by klr on Aug 10, 2010 18:29:42 GMT
If QPR sign Marlon King, I will run on the pitch at Loftus Road, douse myself in petrol & then strike the match!
This board is my witness.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 18:31:16 GMT
I would suggest even were King to join QPR, perhaps you shouldn't do that!
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Post by obk on Aug 10, 2010 18:39:36 GMT
Are you itk klr so that you know we won't sign him? Or have you always wanted to become a martyr, who in 30 years time gets a statue raised in memory for being the one who "with his own life changed the ways of QPR back to the straight and narrow"?
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Post by klr on Aug 10, 2010 18:45:39 GMT
Are you itk klr so that you know we won't sign him? Or have you always wanted to become a martyr, who in 30 years time gets a statue raised in memory for being the one who "with his own life changed the ways of QPR back to the straight and narrow"? I'm not going to lie, I'd fully expect a statue & I'll place my faith & trust in you lot to sort it out, cos I'll be brown bread, toast! |
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Post by cpr on Aug 10, 2010 18:49:08 GMT
I am comfortable in the belief there will be no requirement to torch yourself. I'll pass the matches if I'm wrong. |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 18:50:01 GMT
Are you itk klr so that you know we won't sign him? Or have you always wanted to become a martyr, who in 30 years time gets a statue raised in memory for being the one who "with his own life changed the ways of QPR back to the straight and narrow"? I'm not going to lie, I'd fully expect a statue & I'll place my faith & trust in you lot to sort it out, cos I'll be brown bread, toast! As you look around and see the Mike Keen Statue and the Rodney Marsh Statue... !  |
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 10, 2010 19:09:07 GMT
Are you itk klr so that you know we won't sign him? Or have you always wanted to become a martyr, who in 30 years time gets a statue raised in memory for being the one who "with his own life changed the ways of QPR back to the straight and narrow"? I'm not going to lie, I'd fully expect a statue & I'll place my faith & trust in you lot to sort it out, cos I'll be brown bread, toast! more bbq than toast |
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Post by superckat on Aug 10, 2010 21:56:54 GMT
If QPR sign Marlon King, I will run on the pitch at Loftus Road, douse myself in petrol & then strike the match! This board is my witness. Think I'll bring some burgers. BBQ anyone? |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 10, 2010 21:58:04 GMT
You should also make sure it doesn't contravene the "No Smoking" regulations
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Post by blockhead on Aug 10, 2010 21:59:57 GMT
Immolation, although noble is in fact bad for the environment.
cant you chain yourself to something instead?
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