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Post by harr on Jul 28, 2019 12:18:56 GMT
So who is the mystery man still to come? One more in and 3 more out and I would call this a good if unexpected window, producing a new balanced squad, and probably improved our FFP situation in the process. My one other major hope now is that the fans are patient. Last year after the first 4 games we climbed to the fringe of the play-off spots before crumbling into a pit. This season I expect after so many changes that it will take a number of games to settle things down so I expect a slow start and then gradually work our way up the table. Given some of the Twitter and one line brigade are already after Warburton before the season starts I hope at least in the ground and on this board common sense and patience prevails. (So who is the mystery man still to come)? Would imagine a Centre Back to replace Leistner 75, one from Joe Worrall ( N Forest ) Clark Robertson(Rotherham) or Scott McKenna(Aberdeen) would imagine.
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Post by harr on Jul 28, 2019 12:27:43 GMT
Certain we paid 2-2.5 Million for Luongo at the same time we bought Gladwin Would hope we at least get something close to what we paid for him. I’m expecting we will take loss hits on both Goss and Wheeler.
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Post by terryb on Jul 28, 2019 12:45:39 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-end-pursuit-of-ipswich-star-judgeQPR end their pursuit of JudgeBy West London Sport 27/07/2019 Mark Warburton says QPR have ended their pursuit of Alan Judge. Ipswich rejected offers from Rangers for the 30-year-old Irishman, who played under Warburton at Brentford and is keen to make the move to Loftus Road. Rangers on Saturday moved to complete the signing of Marc Pugh on a one-year deal. Asked if that was a reaction to Ipswich’s refusal to sell, Warburton admitted “it probably is” and that he believes Judge will be staying at Portman Road. Pugh has been joined at QPR by defender Todd Kane. Both players were free agents, having recently left Bournemouth and Chelsea respectively. And striker Jordan Hugill is being brought in on loan from West Ham. Glad about this in the end, particularly with Pugh arriving. This whole window has made my head spin. Most of it seems like decent, logical business. Some deals I dont quite get. Some I just don't agree with at all. While excited by a good number of the moves, it does worry me a bit that we are bringing in so many - it is not normally easy to start a season with such a vastly new group of players. Also makes me think about who the sellable assets are for when we inevitably have to sell more players to balance the books come next summer. Lot of loans, lot of older players with little to no sell-on value. But plenty of good, too. And of course, lots of new faces or not, isn't like we want more of the same of last season... We've certainly brought in a lot Bow, but I'm expecting six players that were here last season to start at Stoke. Lumley (I expected it to be Kelly, but Joe seems to have stepped up to the challenge), Rangel, Hall, Manning, Eze & BOS or Shodipo. Cameron, Kane & Pugh are possibilites to start, but I think thwy will be given a bit longer to bed in.
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Post by salts on Jul 28, 2019 14:41:03 GMT
I'd still like another striker in. Oteh has not seen much pre-season action indicating that MW doesn't really think he's ready for regular Championship footy yet. What he thinks of the really inexperienced Walker is anyone's guess. That leaves us with just Hugill and Mlakar = not many options off the bench; no option if one is injured.
In goal, defence, midfield and attacking midfield, we have plenty of options and a few injuries in those positions would not hurt us too much. We look short of goals though. Neither Hugill or Mlakar look like they are going to score 20+ or anywhere near that imo...
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Post by bowranger on Jul 28, 2019 19:04:31 GMT
We've certainly brought in a lot Bow, but I'm expecting six players that were here last season to start at Stoke. Lumley (I expected it to be Kelly, but Joe seems to have stepped up to the challenge), Rangel, Hall, Manning, Eze & BOS or Shodipo. Cameron, Kane & Pugh are possibilites to start, but I think thwy will be given a bit longer to bed in. That's true. And a big chunk of me is really going to reserve judgment for a while as even the most 'logical' signings have been underwhelming and some of the least exciting have turned out to be exceptional for us. I think back a few years to signings like Mutch, Hoilett and Caulker - all of which looked like a great age, good pedigree and a good price. Lesser extent Cousins, though with mitigation for injuries/position - we had football league journalists touting that as one of the best pieces of transfer business in the division. Likewise you look at Hill and Derry; older, little resale, functional, all had a whiff of 'jobs for the boys'. Hill had injury issues before he even got here and it wasn't long before we knew he was playing through proper pain in his knee, especially when forced into a LB position. And yet, both wonderful players for us. So it's so hard to tell. I think of that list, you'd be hard pressed to see Cameron and Rangel playing the bulk of a Championship season - though that may well not be the intention anyway, what with bringing some mentorship and experience to the dressing room. Manning's role looks a little less clear now, what with Kane coming in (who I think on paper is a really smart signing). If Kane goes LB, Manning's skills also apply to midfield though that's crowded with decent competition. I feel like Kelly long-term would be Warburton's preference just because of his ability with his feet, but pre-season at least he is doing the honourable thing and making it Lumley's position to hold onto. I'd rather competition for keepers than not. Likewise with Pugh - we have options up there where you see mutual competition in different roles across Eze, BOS and Shodipo. Which again ain't necessarily a bad thing. A lot of it is moot really, I guess - we'll have to see how they actually get on and how we take shape over the first couple of months. Either way, it'll require a hefty bit of gelling both on and off the pitch. And if anything, it isn't boring!
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Post by harr on Jul 28, 2019 19:51:30 GMT
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 29, 2019 11:45:06 GMT
£3m bid from QPR!?? Doubt that VERY much...
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Post by harr on Jul 29, 2019 11:58:37 GMT
£3m bid from QPR!?? Doubt that VERY much... It was a typo, £3 bid from QPR
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Post by salts on Jul 29, 2019 13:43:34 GMT
£3m bid from QPR!?? Doubt that VERY much... I believe we do have some money to spend, but need to stay within FFP rules so cannot perhaps use it all!
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 29, 2019 18:30:03 GMT
£3m bid from QPR!?? Doubt that VERY much... Quite right, £3m to Aberdeen is ridiculous. They’d only spent it on booze and fags.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2019 6:24:52 GMT
I'd still like another striker in. ........ Neither Hugill or Mlakar look like they are going to score 20+ or anywhere near that imo... I keep hearing this a lot. On what basis are people quoting this as if it’s a fact? Teemu Pukki had one season in the mighty Danish Superleague where he scored 20 goals. He’d failed in Scotland, a league that most QPR fans would dismiss as worthless any striker who couldn’t cut it playing for the best club in that division against opposition worse than you’d face in the Championship.There was nothing there for Norwich fans to believe this guy would bang in 29 goals when Farke signed him. These two we’ve signed probably won’t hit those heights, but I’m curious as to what makes people so sure these guys won’t?
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 30, 2019 7:09:58 GMT
I'd still like another striker in. ........ Neither Hugill or Mlakar look like they are going to score 20+ or anywhere near that imo... I keep hearing this a lot. On what basis are people quoting this as if it’s a fact? Teemu Pukki had one season in the mighty Danish Superleague where he scored 20 goals. He’d failed in Scotland, a league that most QPR fans would dismiss as worthless any striker who couldn’t cut it playing for the best club in that division against opposition worse than you’d face in the Championship.There was nothing there for Norwich fans to believe this guy would bang in 29 goals when Farke signed him. These two we’ve signed probably won’t hit those heights, but I’m curious as to what makes people so sure these guys won’t? I think this is our price range now (not that Hugill was cheap). You may be right about them proving us wrong but Hugill's best scoring at Preston was only 1 in 5 (Matt Smith had a similar record for us 21 in 92 v Hugill 23 in 103). Mlakar I like but we have very little evidence to base that on. I think the more important thing here is that they fit (I assume) the pattern of play/tactic. We dont need to have 2 striker score 30-40 goals but we do need to halve our goals conceded (70) & then get goals from a broad range of player e.g. getting 7-10 each from Eze/BOS/Pugh maybe more important.
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Post by salts on Jul 30, 2019 9:17:15 GMT
What happens if one of them gets injured?
We probably need another striker.
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Post by harr on Jul 30, 2019 9:22:38 GMT
I don’t think we will get another Striker in now. Would be amazed if we did. Warburton said one more after Hugill and we all know that’s a CB to replace Leistner.
Think we would have to get to January if we had an injury.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 30, 2019 10:24:33 GMT
If we play with one striker we’re ok. We have first choice, a backup and we then turn to either an u23 or playing someone out of position.
We should be careful of signing someone else who then won’t get any games.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 30, 2019 10:24:46 GMT
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 30, 2019 10:27:27 GMT
Surprised our squad is valued that high. If that’s the case we have done very well in the market this window.
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Post by sharky on Jul 30, 2019 11:12:43 GMT
Surprised our squad is valued that high. If that’s the case we have done very well in the market this window. Our squad still includes Luongo and Leistner probably our top valued players. Once they go we'll be down quite a bit
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Post by sharky on Jul 30, 2019 11:23:14 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-consider-improved-bid-for-defenderQPR consider making improved offer for McKennaBy James Ross 30/07/2019 QPR are considering making another offer for Scott McKenna after having a bid for the defender turned down by Aberdeen. The R’s have offered close to £3m for the Scotland centre-back, who has attracted interest from several Championship clubs. Boss Mark Warburton wants to bring in McKenna, 22, and offload Toni Leistner. West London Sport recently revealed that Rangers are looking to get rid of Leistner, having previously revealed that the club are looking to sell Massimo Luongo. West London Sport also recently revealed that QPR now have some money to spend in the transfer market. They are looking to invest that by signing McKenna but Aberdeen are reluctant to let him go.
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Post by sharky on Jul 30, 2019 12:03:31 GMT
Wheeler gone. Goss, Luongo and Leistner still to go. From the Offie www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/david-wheeler-departs-for-wycombe-wanderers/David Wheeler departs for Wycombe WanderersMatt Webb @mattwebb987 QPR attacker David Wheeler has signed for League One Wycombe Wanderers on a free transfer. The 28-year-old joined the R’s from Exeter City in August 2017 – but subsequently found first-team opportunities hard to come by, making just nine appearances and scoring one goal since then. Last season, Wheeler helped Milton Keynes Dons to promotion from League Two during a loan spell at Stadium MK. Everyone at QPR would like to thank David for his contribution and wish him every success in the future
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Post by harr on Jul 30, 2019 12:06:45 GMT
Best of luck to David Wheeler, sadly think he was not quite up to the level we are after, like Goss. Think he will do well in League One though.
Was he about 1/2 Million when we bought him, couldn’t remember ?
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 30, 2019 12:33:42 GMT
Sky interview with Warburton just now. 5 minutes of pretty poor stuff. 'How many times do you charge your phone a day?' But he said that he is still hopeful of one more signing.'If we can get it over the line'. Wallace is 2-3 weeks behind the rest of the squad's fitness. Hugill scored 2 in training this morning. Fantastic backup from the recruitment team. Exciting times etc.
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2019 14:34:27 GMT
This will be such a fail. We need to bookmark this thread.
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Post by Marc on Jul 30, 2019 14:45:40 GMT
Leeds have become the latest annual promotion bottlersII
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 30, 2019 16:01:10 GMT
Leeds have become the latest annual promotion bottlersII It will take some doing to overtake Derby in that...
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Post by Marc on Jul 30, 2019 16:20:29 GMT
Leeds have become the latest annual promotion bottlersII It will take some doing to overtake Derby in that... Sorry, should have said apprentice bottlers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:52:41 GMT
It will be a real shame if we do not get our last signing over the line or move out the 3 expected names of Goss Luongo and Leistner. It would just take the edge of what has been a good window. Maybe Leistner will only go if we get the other CB in first which seems logical. Still it gives us something to follow on deadline day 'arry
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Post by rangersman on Aug 1, 2019 18:06:29 GMT
Strikers ?? leave it out its common knowledge we never have enough strikers. Our main concern is always getting in 25+ midfielders, yes thats right these managers know what they are doing.................................PMSL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:15:06 GMT
A lack of strikers is a pretty common problem across the Championship and even into the PL - unless you regard Connor Washington as a good striker. That's why PL teams are paying fees like 75 million to get in one from abroad and few clubs outside the top 6 would say they have enough quality strikers. The shortage of strikers has been around for quite a long time now - partly due to the way teams set up , but partly the lack of strikers forcing teams to set up with one up front and pushing in attacking midfielders who hopefully can break forward and score a few. Chicken and egg situation really. The fact is that as there are few good strikers around. The cost of signing one, both transfer fee and wages, is extremely high and you just need to look at this window to see how evident that is. If we want to sign permanently a good striker we are looking in the 15 to 20 million range minimum and 25k plus a week - as we all know that is out of our reach. Taking a younger, up and coming international, and a more experienced player (at Championship level) on loan is probably the best we could do. The managers and background staff have been very open about the need and desire to get in strikers - but the right ones to fit the team. We could not get Hogan but did the best we could and have brought in 2 to supplement our youth. In the modern game we should be looking for goals coming from players all over the pitch and not be dependent on one or two strikers to do it all. I think we have some this season who can make that contribution. PS - I would change my trousers now - the smell is getting really bad.
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Post by egranger on Aug 2, 2019 9:01:34 GMT
On the face of it the two strikers we got in on loan last season were potentially good signings (and arguably worked until Christmas) - do we know where they have ended up this season?
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