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Post by spencer on Jul 25, 2019 11:14:54 GMT
Indeed...but we were shiteee last season.6th from bottom. Because our owners couldn't organise a pis. up in a brewery , they spunked all our money, and now clubs are snapping up any promising players we have at a price below market value. Anyway....cheer up season starts soon. Time for some home truths in addition to those already pointed out in a few other responses above. I have been seeing the "becoming the joke of English football" comment being banded about for the last five years at least. First of all why are we the joke and how much further do we have to go to actually achieve becoming the joke of English football. Just interested as then we could say we have won something although I think there are many other clubs who are far ahead of us in that competition. Secondly the reason we finished 6th from bottom is because that is where our squad and their performances deserved us to be. The owners did not "spunk" all our money - we never had any money. All they did was blindly plough 200 to 300 million of their own money in loans into trying to buy success and it failed. They have through a mixture of doing the right thing and pressure from the EFL cleared most if not all of the high interest loans the club had and converted their loans to equity. They therefore have paid that vast sum of money to own the shares of a club that would be lucky to raise 10 million if sold so do not hold your breath waiting for them to go. We fell foul of the FFP rules, now years ago, and have paid the consequences in the terms of the fine and January transfer embargo. The current FFP restrictions that are driving our transfer and other policies are the same as any other club and the same as if the owners had not spent all that money years ago. The fine being paid over 10 years is excluded from FFP calculations. Therefore as with all clubs we have a limit on how much we can spend/lose measured on a rolling 3 year period. The amount allowed is based on the operating profit and loss of the club and now has nothing to do with the past mistakes The truth of the matter is that on the income side we have relatively small sponsorship, we have have little in the way of TV money and our attendances are on average low for the Championship and are restricted by the size of our old ground. There are games where we should and could (without Sky intervening) be able to sell at least 25,000 seats but cannot physically do so - that it is a great opportunity loss. On the expense side the club has cut out the high earning players and are continuing through the transfer policy to cut the wage bill to a level close to what we can support. We are crippled with the expense of maintaining an old and decaying stadium and the extraordinary high costs of stewarding and policing a two tier stadium in London on match days. Every time we open the gates we loose money. This is why. we have to try to sell players to survive and hopefully develop or bring in new ones to replace them and eventually be sold. The club has lived in that mode for most of the 60 odd years I have supported them but that is forgotten or unknown by the Twitter crowd brought up on events of the last 10 years. Some are complaining that we are loaning out or selling good young players at below value. If they were that good and that valuable they would have established themselves in the team or squad years ago and other clubs would have come knocking years ago. I laugh when I see some of the 'good' names being quoted - players who would not have been employed as boot cleaners during our better years. Bottom line is that we are what we are and it will take years, if ever, to change from that. Dream on about signing star players and PL players -it's not going to happen Take it or leave it but meanwhile, accepting that everyone has the right to express their opinion, try supporting the club instead of running down the club and anything we do.. Yeah, sort of agree with most of that. Would loved to have kept Freeman, but sentiment aside....you could sell the whole team and start again. When I say they spunked...well aware of what they put into the club...but when we won promotion - we did receive a lot of money. It was the owners/directors/manager -who decided to give huge contracts to players like Bosingwa etc... I hear fans complaining that we are dot buy big now ...which makes me chuckle..so yeah... I will re phrase....money that we acquired through various means due to promotion, was wasted by the club in pursuit of a pipe dream.
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Post by sharky on Jul 25, 2019 14:29:42 GMT
From the East Anglian Daily Times www.eadt.co.uk/sport/paul-lambert-on-alan-judge-and-qpr-latest-1-6180934'It's up to QPR to come up with the money' - Lambert insists Town will play hardball over Judge feePUBLISHED: 14:46 25 July 2019 | UPDATED: 15:11 25 July 2019 Andy Warren Ipswich Town are prepared to play hardball with QPR regarding their valuation of playmaker Alan Judge. The Loftus Road club are understood to have had two offers rejected for the midfielder, the latest in the region of £450,000, with manager Paul Lambert revealing the Irishman is keen to make the move to the Championship club. But the Town boss insisted the Blues will stand firm in their valuation of Judge, who was at the club's open day today, and will only allow him to move on if it is in the best interests of the club. "An offer has been made that is nowhere near what Marcus is looking for so there's no real news on that side of it," Lambert said. "The ball's in QPR's court now. They are trying to do something but it's nowhere near the level Ipswich are looking at. "Judgey trains well and there's no problems there. He wants to have a chance to speak with them but he won't have that chance unless the two clubs agree something. "There's no way you can just say 'ok, on you go'. He's Ipswich Town's player, we pay his wages. "I think that's the way it should be and I don't know any club who will say 'you can have him on the cheap'. "I don't think that's good." When asked if he has a valuation in mind, Lambert replied: "It doesn't matter what my valuation is because that's down to the owner (Marcus Evans). "We talk and he asks me what I think, but regarding valuations it's not my money - it's the club's and Marcus's. "Marcus knows what I think about the whole scenario so it's up to QPR to come up with the money he thinks is acceptable. "Even if Judgey didn't go I'd still say we needed players and every manager would say the same. We've brought in a loan and two frees so that's where the club is at the moment. "We have a lot of young players who are learning their job on the pitch and they have to grow up and take responsibility really quickly." Lambert confirmed that, while Judge had indicated a desire to talk to QPR, the midfielder had not handed in a formal transfer request. "No, he hasn't done that but I spoke to him a few weeks ago and we spoke about it," he said. "We understand where he's coming from but he has to understand where we're coming from as well. "If QPR or any club is interested they have to start the ball rolling." Judge has yet to feature for Town in pre-season as he continues his recovery from a fractured wrist, suffered on international duty with Ireland, with Lambert not sure when he will be fit to return. "He's training with us but he's not done anything in terms of games so we'll see how this coming game is and then go from there."
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Post by harr on Jul 25, 2019 15:08:58 GMT
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Post by sharky on Jul 25, 2019 15:22:13 GMT
....and from the Offie www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/geoff-cameron-re-joins-qpr-on-permanent-basis/Geoff Cameron re-joins QPR on permanent basisMatt Webb @mattwebb987 GEOFF Cameron has re-joined QPR on a free transfer from Stoke City, signing a one-year deal with the option of a further year. Versatile Geoff made 19 appearances, scoring one goal, while on loan with the R’s last term. Now the American ace is back in W12 on a permanent basis, with Rangers incidentally set to kick off their new Sky Bet Championship campaign at Stoke a week on Saturday. One guy said that if I signed permanently then he’d get a tattoo of me on his leg! GEOFF CAMERON“It’s great to be back,” Cameron told www.qpr.co.uk. “I really enjoyed my time here last year – it’s a family-orientated environment and this move is the best fit for myself and my family. “The manager (Mark Warburton) wants to get the ball down and play good football. Hopefully myself and Angel [Rangel], who has also come back, can use our experience to help what is a young squad. “I’m here to help the team in any way that I can – whether that’s leadership on the pitch or off it as well. “For me, I’m excited for this role and I’m excited to be here. I just want to enjoy my football, like I did here last season.” He continued: “The fans have been great with me. I’ve seen a few Tweets – one guy said that if I signed permanently then he’d get a tattoo of me on his leg! “The fans have been super supportive, and I’ve had lots of nice messages since the end of last season. “I’m really happy to be back.” Rangers boss Mark Warburton is looking forward to having Cameron’s nous around the squad once more, adding: “Geoff is someone who knows the club. “He brings experience to the group and he also brings Premier League quality. “He is well-known by both the fans and the players, and his physicality is an asset as well. “We’re delighted to welcome Geoff back to QPR.”
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 25, 2019 17:10:43 GMT
Why so salty salt, its just a cordial exchange of opinions. That's how it works Be careful how you phrase your words then. You indicate that I stated things which I did not. Anyone will take offence to that. Where did I say you said anything? I said I disagreed with your premise i.e. I thought you were wrong which is an opinion. I explained why I thought you were wrong. I didn't say that made you were morally bankrupt...very touchy
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 26, 2019 7:36:22 GMT
Furlong to West Brom
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Post by salts on Jul 26, 2019 8:41:46 GMT
Be careful how you phrase your words then. You indicate that I stated things which I did not. Anyone will take offence to that. Where did I say you said anything? I said I disagreed with your premise i.e. I thought you were wrong which is an opinion. I explained why I thought you were wrong. I didn't say that made you were morally bankrupt...very touchy Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not - that comment clearly implies that I suggested that he would be. I stated nothing of the sort. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. This suggests (rather than clearly implies) - if you put into context ie we were discussing the sense in buying Judge - that the signing of Judge would mean that we would overspend under FFP and that therefore I was advocating this approach. When you put your opinion across you need to careful how you phrase your comments if disagreeing with someone else, as you can make out that they stated something they didn't - as you have on this occasion. Of course I'm going to get a little bit annoyed by that!
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Post by harr on Jul 26, 2019 9:34:11 GMT
Dieng loan to Donny until January
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 26, 2019 9:49:07 GMT
Where did I say you said anything? I said I disagreed with your premise i.e. I thought you were wrong which is an opinion. I explained why I thought you were wrong. I didn't say that made you were morally bankrupt...very touchy Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not - that comment clearly implies that I suggested that he would be. I stated nothing of the sort. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. This suggests (rather than clearly implies) - if you put into context ie we were discussing the sense in buying Judge - that the signing of Judge would mean that we would overspend under FFP and that therefore I was advocating this approach. When you put your opinion across you need to careful how you phrase your comments if disagreeing with someone else, as you can make out that they stated something they didn't - as you have on this occasion. Of course I'm going to get a little bit annoyed by that! I disagree but won't bore you with a semantic debate. However telling people they "need to be careful" is really passive-aggressive, what might happen to me if I'm not careful. You come off a bit thin-skinned, I wasn't rude to you and a forum is an unusual place to be if you dislike debate but I shan't trouble you anymore.
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Post by egranger on Jul 26, 2019 9:53:23 GMT
Hi Guys Please can we get back to transfer chat? Up the Rs
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Post by sharky on Jul 26, 2019 10:10:59 GMT
From the Offie. Out on loan only until January. Makes sense to me. www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/donny-seal-seny-dieng-loan-deal/Donny seal Seny Dieng loan dealGOALKEEPER Seny Dieng has joined League One outfit Doncaster Rovers on loan until January. The 24-year-old shot-stopper is yet to make a first-team appearance for QPR, though did enjoy plenty of game time while on loan with both Stevenage and Dundee last term. Dieng is set to return to W12 on January 4th 2020. Good luck, Seny!
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 26, 2019 10:16:30 GMT
From the Offie. Out on loan only until January. Makes sense to me. www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/donny-seal-seny-dieng-loan-deal/Donny seal Seny Dieng loan dealGOALKEEPER Seny Dieng has joined League One outfit Doncaster Rovers on loan until January. The 24-year-old shot-stopper is yet to make a first-team appearance for QPR, though did enjoy plenty of game time while on loan with both Stevenage and Dundee last term. Dieng is set to return to W12 on January 4th 2020. Good luck, Seny! Only until January. I think that means that one of our keepers will be sold in january. Maybe Lumley, maybe Dieng, It makes more sense, because we do not know how it is going to unfold in the next 6 months, but probably either Lumley or Dieng will be sold for a decent profit in January and QPR can work out in that time, who we need to keep and who we can release. The outlay has been small, although Barnes remains something of an enigma in all this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 11:08:42 GMT
From the Offie. Out on loan only until January. Makes sense to me. www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/donny-seal-seny-dieng-loan-deal/Donny seal Seny Dieng loan dealGOALKEEPER Seny Dieng has joined League One outfit Doncaster Rovers on loan until January. The 24-year-old shot-stopper is yet to make a first-team appearance for QPR, though did enjoy plenty of game time while on loan with both Stevenage and Dundee last term. Dieng is set to return to W12 on January 4th 2020. Good luck, Seny! Only until January. I think that means that one of our keepers will be sold in january. Maybe Lumley, maybe Dieng, It makes more sense, because we do not know how it is going to unfold in the next 6 months, but probably either Lumley or Dieng will be sold for a decent profit in January and QPR can work out in that time, who we need to keep and who we can release. The outlay has been small, although Barnes remains something of an enigma in all this. I think the Barnes signing makes some sense as it was obvious we could not keep Kelly Lumley and Dieng all happy and that one would go out on loan. On the other hand we do need 3 keepers in case one of the top 2 (Kelly & Lumley) picks up an injury. Picking up Barnes for free and probably on low wages provides that third keeper to allow Dieng to go on loan. Obviously it would be an attractive move for Barnes to step up to a Championship club and Barnes is said to have some potential ( I do not know) so if we can make a small profit on him in the future it will probably cover the cost of having him on the books..........or maybe we have discovered the next Phil Parkes
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 26, 2019 14:04:05 GMT
www.westlondonsport.com/chelsea/qpr-make-offer-to-former-chelsea-defenderDefender Kane offered move to QPR By West London Sport 26/07/2019 QPR have offered a contract to defender Todd Kane. The 25-year-old is a free agent after being released by Chelsea at the end of last season. He is primarily a right-back and Rangers want him to replace Darnell Furlong, who recently joined West Brom, although Kane can also play at left-back or on the right of midfield. Kane did not make a first-team appearance for Chelsea but is a seasoned League player, having ended last season at Hull City and also had spells on loan at Nottingham Forest, Bristol City, Preston, Oxford United and Blackburn. He also previously spent two seasons on loan in the Netherlands, the first at NEC Nijmegen and the second at FC Groningen, which was cut short by a knee injury. Meanwhile, QPR have had a second offer for Alan Judge rejected by Ipswich.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 26, 2019 14:06:03 GMT
Makes sense with Furlong gone, his experience & potential resale value but seriously how can you be on the books of a team until 25 & be nowhere near the first team
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 26, 2019 14:07:47 GMT
Ipswich reject second offer from QPR for Judge By West London Sport 26/07/2019 QPR have had a second bid for Alan Judge rejected by Ipswich. Judge, 30, played under R’s boss Mark Warburton at Brentford and is keen to make the move to Loftus Road. However, he signed a two-year contract at Portman Road in April and Ipswich have indicated that he they want £750,000 for him. QPR have offered £450,000. Meanwhile, Rangers have offered a contract to defender Todd Kane, who was recently released by Chelsea. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-ipswich-town-alan-judge-260719
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Post by salts on Jul 26, 2019 14:35:52 GMT
Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not - that comment clearly implies that I suggested that he would be. I stated nothing of the sort. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. This suggests (rather than clearly implies) - if you put into context ie we were discussing the sense in buying Judge - that the signing of Judge would mean that we would overspend under FFP and that therefore I was advocating this approach. When you put your opinion across you need to careful how you phrase your comments if disagreeing with someone else, as you can make out that they stated something they didn't - as you have on this occasion. Of course I'm going to get a little bit annoyed by that! I disagree but won't bore you with a semantic debate. However telling people they "need to be careful" is really passive-aggressive, what might happen to me if I'm not careful. You come off a bit thin-skinned, I wasn't rude to you and a forum is an unusual place to be if you dislike debate but I shan't trouble you anymore. I wasn't trying to threaten you, but meant that you need to be careful in the sense of upsetting people (with false claims - as you did). Or don't you care about upsetting fellow fans in this way? No you weren't rude to me - you just upset me by falsely claiming that I suggested something I absolutely did not. I mean, where do I a) suggest that Judge is "the difference" to staying up or not? b) suggest that we need to overspend FFP in order to stay up? Anyway, happy to draw a line under this episode even if you are not prepared to apologise.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 26, 2019 16:29:15 GMT
Only until January. I think that means that one of our keepers will be sold in january. Maybe Lumley, maybe Dieng, It makes more sense, because we do not know how it is going to unfold in the next 6 months, but probably either Lumley or Dieng will be sold for a decent profit in January and QPR can work out in that time, who we need to keep and who we can release. The outlay has been small, although Barnes remains something of an enigma in all this. I think the Barnes signing makes some sense as it was obvious we could not keep Kelly Lumley and Dieng all happy and that one would go out on loan. On the other hand we do need 3 keepers in case one of the top 2 (Kelly & Lumley) picks up an injury. Picking up Barnes for free and probably on low wages provides that third keeper to allow Dieng to go on loan. Obviously it would be an attractive move for Barnes to step up to a Championship club and Barnes is said to have some potential ( I do not know) so if we can make a small profit on him in the future it will probably cover the cost of having him on the books..........or maybe we have discovered the next Phil Parkes I think that Brzozowski may also go out on loan for experience. With the exception of the Furlong departure, we seem to line up the replacements ahead of any outgoing. With Furlong, we appear to have pulled out of the Sterling deal because we discovered Kane was available and interested. It is hard to question the inflow and outflow until the music actually stops 2 weeks time.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 26, 2019 18:34:47 GMT
26th July 2019 at 5:59pm www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-west-ham-in-advanced-talks-with-london-rivals-over-attacker-exit-for-19-20/ Written by: Football Insider EXCLUSIVE by Pete O’Rourke Queens Park Rangers are in advanced talks to sign West Ham striker Jordan Hugill on loan, Football Insider understands. A number of clubs have been chasing Hugill’s signature this summer with the forward out of favour at the London Stadium. A source at the London Stadium has told Football Insider that the two London rivals are closing in on a deal which will see Hugill move across the capital for the 2018/19 campaign. Wigan were close to signing Hugill earlier this month only for the move to fall down at the eleventh hour and now QPR have moved in to bring Hugill to Loftus Road. Hugill joined West Ham from Preston for £8million during the winter transfer window in 2018, but he has made only three first-team appearances for the Hammers. The 27-year-old spent last season on loan at Middlesbrough, where he scored seven goals in 41 appearances for the club. QPR have been looking to bolster their attack this summer and they see Hugill as someone who can add goals to their side next season.
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Post by harr on Jul 26, 2019 22:50:55 GMT
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 27, 2019 1:11:56 GMT
Makes sense with Furlong gone, his experience & potential resale value but seriously how can you be on the books of a team until 25 & be nowhere near the first team Chelsea make good business out of signing talent on long term contracts, with loan fees and others paying wages , they can’t lose! Ake to Bournemouth paid for there youth system for the next five years or more, and there’s many more who’ve they’ve sold or lent out like Lukaku Sturridge, Abraham who’d likely sell for north of 20 million
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 27, 2019 1:15:31 GMT
Not excited by Hugill.. hope he’s awesome and I’m rubbish at judging players but wasn’t impressed when seen play!
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 27, 2019 8:02:39 GMT
Makes sense with Furlong gone, his experience & potential resale value but seriously how can you be on the books of a team until 25 & be nowhere near the first team Chelsea make good business out of signing talent on long term contracts, with loan fees and others paying wages , they can’t lose! Ake to Bournemouth paid for there youth system for the next five years or more, and there’s many more who’ve they’ve sold or lent out like Lukaku Sturridge, Abraham who’d likely sell for north of 20 million I get the business case but I feel sorry for a youngster who gets signed at 8 thinking they'll play for them & spends 17 yrs without a game. It's the worst kind of hoarding
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 27, 2019 8:35:54 GMT
Chelsea make good business out of signing talent on long term contracts, with loan fees and others paying wages , they can’t lose! Ake to Bournemouth paid for there youth system for the next five years or more, and there’s many more who’ve they’ve sold or lent out like Lukaku Sturridge, Abraham who’d likely sell for north of 20 million I get the business case but I feel sorry for a youngster who gets signed at 8 thinking they'll play for them & spends 17 yrs without a game. It's the worst kind of hoarding FIFA's new loan rules (from next season I think...) will limit the number of loans a club can make to 6 in a season. Mind you, I'm sure clubs will find ways round it - probably make it a 'transfer' with a 12 month buy-back clause...
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Post by harr on Jul 27, 2019 9:42:24 GMT
Maybe another defender announced today
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Chelsea make good business out of signing talent on long term contracts, with loan fees and others paying wages , they can’t lose! Ake to Bournemouth paid for there youth system for the next five years or more, and there’s many more who’ve they’ve sold or lent out like Lukaku Sturridge, Abraham who’d likely sell for north of 20 million I get the business case but I feel sorry for a youngster who gets signed at 8 thinking they'll play for them & spends 17 yrs without a game. It's the worst kind of hoarding Chelsea have been doing this for years. I think it was a couple of seasons ago that they had just on 50 players signed up and out on loan - many back to their original European teams, and most of them probably would have made it into our squad. Personally I do not feel sorry for those players - they knew exactly what they were getting into before they signed for Chelsea as their loans were already arranged. So the players were probably getting better money as a Chelsea player than otherwise, they were still playing regular football somewhere - just not at Chelsea, and Chelsea knew that if one or two of the fifty came good they would make a huge profit or have a cheap PL level recruit. Kane might be a slightly different case but he has been playing at Championship level or equivalent. He has been released as he was never going to make it into the Chelsea squad. I feel more sorry for those who sign for clubs age 8 and are let go at 16 or 18 with no future in the game and no qualifications for anything else. They take the gamble and lose, not the clubs.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 27, 2019 10:17:06 GMT
www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-west-ham-jordan-hugill-medical-270719#.XTwiKY9QFrw.twitterWest Ham striker Hugill set for QPR medical By David McIntyre 27/07/2019 Embed from Getty Images Jordan Hugill is set to undergo a medical ahead of an expected loan move to QPR from West Ham. Several clubs are keen on the striker but Rangers’ negotiations with West Ham have progressed and there is now an expectation that he will move to Loftus Road. Hugill, 27, was lined up for a £1.1m move to Rangers from Preston in 2018 but interest from other clubs sparked an unexpected bidding war, which led to him eventually moving to east London in a deal worth around £8m. He has been unable to make an impact at West Ham and has not started a match for the club. After again being pursued by QPR, Hugill spent last season on loan at his hometown club Middlesbrough, making 37 Championship appearances – 17 of them as a substitute – and scoring six goals. Hugill scored 23 league goals in 103 appearances for Preston, who signed him from Port Vale in 2014. Rangers, who are looking to offload out-of-favour defender Toni Leistner, have been offered a potential deal to sign Jordan Rhodes on loan from Sheffield Wednesday. But they would prefer Hugill or Scott Hogan, who played under R’s boss Mark Warburton at Brentford and is not in Aston Villa’s first-team plans.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 27, 2019 10:24:35 GMT
I feel more sorry for those who sign for clubs age 8 and are let go at 16 or 18 with no future in the game and no qualifications for anything else. They take the gamble and lose, not the clubs. True that and all clubs have a duty to make sure their players get an education/basis for a life after football
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Post by harr on Jul 27, 2019 10:24:47 GMT
Not sure how accurate this is ?
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 27, 2019 10:33:53 GMT
Maybe another defender announced today Looks like Kane deal happening and on paper the sort of signing we should be looking at. Plenty of championship experience and good age.
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