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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 0:59:36 GMT
Well Judge is certainly another Warburton signing
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Post by terryb on Jul 24, 2019 7:27:54 GMT
Perhaps I'm wrong, but weren't you predicting relegation with the players that we had from last season? If so, I don't understand how replacing those players can be a bad thing in your view. It is possible that we are going backwards, but until I see the team perform at Stoke I have no reason to believe that is the case. I think (certainly hope) that Masterson is a better player than Furlong,, Wallace is better than Bidwell, Barbet is better than Lynch, Kelly is better than Lumley etc. I'm definitely expecting us to perform better in defence & that will include having defenders who are comfortable with the ball. Last seasson we could mainly defend crosses into our penalty area but couldm't cope with forwards running off the ball. We are addressing that, but I do accept we may be weaker defending crosses. Personally, I'm quite comfortable with the idea of losing Leistner as I prefer ball players! We most definitely do need to sign a forward/goalscorer or two. Again, I'm not sad to see Matt Smith leave. I don't question his endeavour or record, but I detested our style of play whenever he was on the pitch. The same applies to how we relied on Furlong's long throws! Football is a game to be played on grass, not in the sky. That's what watching the sides/players of Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables & Howe do to you! Of course, Warnock managed to combine both styles due to the ability of Helguson & the sheer class of Faurlin & Taarabt. In the words of John Lennon "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you join us & Rangers will be at one". I hope you are right Terry but not sure what you are basing it on that the signings are better and more comfortable on the ball than the ones who have left. Although they hardly be less comfortable than Lynch and Bidwell. I won’t be having a go at the manager - he speaks well - but he has certainly had quite an input into our signings with so many of them having worked with him before (reminds me of Harry 😉) Rangers can not afford to off load this manager with so many of the signings clearly his players and not chosen by Sir Les I've not seen any of the players I mentioned play egranger, so a lot of my statement is based on hope! Also that Warburton plays defenders who can pass the ball! However, I regret to say that I don't think Furlong & Lumley have improved much from when they made their first teram debuts. I was greatly in favour of both players being in our side & expected both to advance to at least mid table premier clubs. Furlong IMO was a lot better with the ball at his feet than he was last season. As you say, we can take it for granted that all are more comfortable than Lynch & Bidwell! Masterson is my great hope, purely as he comes from a Klopp side!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 7:55:29 GMT
Strange thing is that not so long ago during one or two of our many recent managerial hunts,the majority fo fans, including the one line twitter squad, were begging for Warburton .
Since then he has had a couple of blurbs - as every manager does - and suddenly the knives are out for him in certain quarters before a ball has been kicked in anger.
Stranger still is the Twitter like squad and others who dream of us signing a PL striker but then moan that we loan out people like Smyth who has not even played at Championship level.
Like TerryB I could argue that man for man the players we have signed are a step up - however small - from the ones that have left, but we will only really know when we are about 10 games into the season and see how a hopefully settled team have fitted together. Many clubs have proven you can sign a host of good players but if they cannot play together to the managers pattern they are useless.
The only argument that I could partly agree with at present is that Pawel and Luongo leaving (if Luongo does go as expected) may have weakened the squad but financially it had to be done. So I will be patient and see what else we pick up and move out during the window and how the team performs before coming to a judgement on whether we are stronger or weaker than last season. My feeling is we will be stronger - all a matter of opinion of course - but at least I'm prepared to support opinion with reasons rather than just posting one line negative opinion without any supporting fact or argument.
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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 8:18:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 9:18:59 GMT
I think I can see what TF is saying but in the abbreviated world of Tweets it does not come over too clearly. If my interpretation is right I agree with TF.
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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 9:25:56 GMT
Sadly due to TF and the boards incompetence over the last few years, we are in the situation where we are and trying to make the best of it and move forwards.
It’s never going to be easy in the situation where we are now, I think most fans are realistic, if we can avoid relegation for a couple more seasons, do what we are doing and slowly build. Then we are going forwards, that obviously includes selling our best assets.
There’s no getting away from we are paying the price from the mess they got us in.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 24, 2019 9:40:26 GMT
Well Judge is certainly another Warburton signing Judge is a mistake, I'm sure he's a decent player but he won't be the difference either going/staying up. He'll cost us at least £500K which is a third of a Furlong and he'll have ZERO resale value. But worse than that he'll keep Chair out of the team who at 21 needs games if we're going to be able to sell him next summer. WE ARE A DEVELOP & SELL TEAM, WE NEED TO ACT LIKE ONEThe argument against Chair is that he's not ready but if I said we were getting a young creative/goal-scoring midfielder from Stevenage, who would have possibly led to their automatic promotion last season if he'd been there all season, we'd be excited. Stevenage finished 10th but if you look at the form guide for the last 16 games they were 3rd. He needs to be played and take his lumps so that we can get the money next season.
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Post by salts on Jul 24, 2019 12:26:04 GMT
Our priority is to stay up. Relegation is a bigger financial disaster than selling a cheap Chair.
Judge gives us a better chance of doing that in MW/the board's opinion.
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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 14:25:54 GMT
Two forwards, Judge and Cameron , a busy week then. Going to be light at RB then, let’s Rangel stays fit but I guess if we have to sacrifice a RB for two forwards so be it.
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Post by sharky on Jul 24, 2019 15:23:40 GMT
From Sheffield Wednesday News www.sheffieldwednesday.news/news/paul-warne-responds-to-reports-linking-rotherhams-clark-robertson-with-sheffield-wednesday-and-qpr/Paul Warne responds to reports linking Rotherham's Clark Robertson with Sheffield Wednesday and QPRJuly 24, 2019 Aiden Cusick The Rotherham United manager, Paul Warne, has claimed there is ‘no truth’ to reports linking Clark Robertson with Sheffield Wednesday and Queens Park Rangers. Sky Sports claimed on its live blog earlier this week that both clubs are ‘interested in signing’ the Rotherham centre-back, who has two years left on his contract. But speaking to BBC Radio Sheffield on Tuesday, Warne insisted that is not the case. Asked about the ‘noise’ surrounding a proposed Rotherham move for the Shamrock Rovers left-back, Trevor Clarke, the Millers boss replied: “Is that the same amount of noise that is on Robbo going to Sheffield Wednesday or QPR? Because there’s no truth to that either. “There’s loads of noise out there on loads of players so I wouldn’t believe everything.” Sheffield Wednesday are thought to be in the market for another new centre-back this summer. The Owls have seen Michael Hector and Daniel Pudil depart since the end of last season, while only Julian Börner has arrived so far. Robertson is a left-sided centre-back – the same as Hillsborough employees Börner, Joost van Aken and Jordan Thorniley.
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Post by sharky on Jul 24, 2019 15:29:21 GMT
From Talk Sport talksport.com/football/efl/577544/qpr-transfer-news-championship-side-close-loan-brighton-striker/QPR transfer news: Championship side close to sealing season-long loan deal for Brighton striker Jan MlakarBy Sean Gallagher 24th July 2019, 3:00 pm Updated: 24th July 2019, 4:19 pm QPR are close to signing Brighton striker Jan Mlakar on a season-long loan deal, talkSPORT understands. Mlakar, who joined the Premier League side in a £2.7m deal from Maribor in January, is heading to Loftus Road for the 2019/20 campaign. Rs boss Mark Warburton, a long-term admirer of the 20-year-old, has been desperate to bolster his attacking ranks following the departure of Matt Smith to Millwall earlier this month. Mlakar has represented Slovenia’s national team at various youth levels, featuring for the under-16s, under-17s, under-19s and under-21s since making his first appearance back in 2014. The club are also looking to bring in advanced talks to another striker into the club on loan. talkSPORT.com also understands Stoke midfielder Geoff Cameron is primed to rejoin the Rs on a permanent deal after thrashing out a settlement package with the Potters. The future of Massimo Luongo remains up in the air, but he is still expected to move on this summer. Luongo, who has been absent from QPR’s pre-season plans to date, has attracted interest from Nottingham Forest, who are continuing to monitor the Australian’s situation ahead of the August 8 deadline.
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Post by terryb on Jul 24, 2019 15:39:32 GMT
I've read that we about to take Jan Mlakar on loan from Brighton accoring to Sean Gallagher.
A 20 year old goalscorer who scored 16 goals for Maribor last season & who Brighton paid £2.5 million for in January.
Also rumour has it that we played Brighton at Harlington today & drew 2-2.
I'm very pleased that wer've had another friendly as I thought 4 in total was not enough.
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It appears that QPR twitter is implying that they are about to announce the signing of a forward. This is taken from a posting on LFW as I'm not on that social media!
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Post by sharky on Jul 24, 2019 16:01:59 GMT
From the Offie. The first striker in! www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/slovenian-striker-jan-mlakar-joins-qpr/Slovenian striker Jan Mlakar joins QPRAndy Watkins @andywa7kins STRIKER Jan Mlakar has signed for QPR on a season-long deal from Brighton & Hove Albion. The 20-year-old Slovenian joined the Premier League outfit in January, before being loaned back to his homeland where his goals helped fire NK Maribor to the league title. Mlakar becomes our 10th summer signing, bringing some much-needed firepower to the R’s frontline ahead of the 2019/20 campaign. I’m very happy to be here so that I can help the team. I want to play as well as I can and score goals. JAN MLAKAR“I’m very pleased to be here,” Mlakar told www.qpr.co.uk. “I really like what I’ve seen of the place and I know just what an important club QPR are in England. “I’m very happy to be here so that I can help the team. I want to play as well as I can and I want to score goals.” Mark Warburton has made no secret of his desire to bring in strikers before the season starts – and Mlakar is looking forward to working with the R’s boss. He said: “I spoke with the manager and he told me that he wanted a striker that suited his style of play. “We all know that the Championship season starts soon, and I can’t wait to get started here.” The young forward has represented Slovenia’s national team at various youth levels and joins Rangers after scoring 15 goals in 36 games in Maribor’s title-winning season. Mlakar – who was part of Brighton’s pre-season trip to Austria – will now gain his first taste of English football after Albion allowed Rangers to acquire his services for the season. Warburton said: “Jan is a very talented striker who we’ve been aware of for a while. “We’re very excited to have him on board – Jan is a very promising player who has already shown his qualities at international level. “Our thanks must go to our friends at Brighton for their help on this one. We’re delighted to have him with us for the season.”
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Post by rangersman on Jul 24, 2019 18:01:21 GMT
Warburton is fast becoming a joke, buys up his old players and loans out good players. We send a good promising striker out on loan, and then we get another young loan striker!!!!!! yes you bet im sceptical. This club is becoming the joke of English football. Respond how you like i really dont care .
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 24, 2019 18:16:31 GMT
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Post by spencer on Jul 24, 2019 18:32:34 GMT
Warburton is fast becoming a joke, buys up his old players and loans out good players. We send a good promising striker out on loan, and then we get another young loan striker!!!!!! yes you bet im sceptical. This club is becoming the joke of English football. Respond how you like i really dont care . Indeed...but we were shit last season.6th from bottom. Because our owners couldn't organise a pis. up in a brewery , they spunked all our money, and now clubs are snapping up any promising players we have at a price below market value. Anyway....cheer up season starts soon.
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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 18:39:34 GMT
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 24, 2019 18:49:15 GMT
Our priority is to stay up. Relegation is a bigger financial disaster than selling a cheap Chair. Judge gives us a better chance of doing that in MW/the board's opinion. I have to disagree, Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not, strikers will be. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. The income drop from Championship to League One is real but much less in real terms/order of magnitude than just losing the parachute let alone relegation from the Prem. Many teams successfully bounceback without wholesale changes. What will cause FFP problems is not developing cash crop players each year to bridge our structural deficit. I have no problem spending money on older players such as Freeman but you have to have a hope of selling £9-10m worth of players every year and buying (not frees) 30 yr olds aint going to do that
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jul 24, 2019 19:04:11 GMT
I never really feel the need to respond on pre season, but some of the comments on here are just beyond a joke. Warburton has been here 5 minutes and played a few games amounting to little more than trials and tests. I hardly think this makes us a joke of English football. I as did many others was excited or at least expectant of decent football under Warburton and still am. I'll give my reasons for years I have heard how Celtic and Rangers would be a force in English Football so signing Rangers players would seem decent signings Now personally I don't think Celtic and Rangers would be a force in The premier League but I do feel they would more than hold there own in the championship. Signing young up and coming academy players on loan I always thought was a good idea, and doing so go for the best. The best are Man city Chelsea Liverpool Arsenal Spurs and Man Utd. They are not just best in England but among the world elite. Warburton is respect enough to attract players from these clubs. We have just signed a young striker with a decent recent scoring record, I know nothing about him but we are not getting Charlie Austin back we need forwards and trust he is a striker we targeted and not a panic loan. Ive not been one of Sir Les biggest fans as DOF but comments from him and others in recent months maybe his hands have been tied and maybe in place as just a figure head and has a lot more say now. The overall bottom line is I was optimistic for the season ahead when Warburton Arrived. Still am the signings don't fill me we woe and the loans out and sales I take on the chin as Ive had to being A QPR fan its kind of life as a QPR fan Isn't it ? I've been a fan and seen QPR sell players that quite frankly Luke freeman would be honoured to lace their boots. Darnell furlong is not really even the best from his family to wear a QPR shirt. So in perspective aren't some of these comments just a little OTT ? sorry for droning on a bit
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 24, 2019 19:46:55 GMT
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Post by salts on Jul 24, 2019 20:08:14 GMT
Our priority is to stay up. Relegation is a bigger financial disaster than selling a cheap Chair. Judge gives us a better chance of doing that in MW/the board's opinion. I have to disagree, Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not, strikers will be. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. The income drop from Championship to League One is real but much less in real terms/order of magnitude than just losing the parachute let alone relegation from the Prem. Many teams successfully bounceback without wholesale changes. What will cause FFP problems is not developing cash crop players each year to bridge our structural deficit. I have no problem spending money on older players such as Freeman but you have to have a hope of selling £9-10m worth of players every year and buying (not frees) 30 yr olds aint going to do that I never said that he would be the difference. I said that Judge would give us a better chance, based on the fact that he's a proven, experienced player in this league. I never said we need to overspend to stay up. In fact we have money to spend I'm led to believe, we just have to ensure that we don't break FFP rules by spending more than we are allowed to. Get your facts right. It will be Eze that keeps Chair out of the team, not Judge.
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Post by harr on Jul 24, 2019 21:51:40 GMT
I think Chair will be a star for the future, maybe even bigger than Eze.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 24, 2019 22:19:18 GMT
I have to disagree, Judge won't be the difference between staying up or not, strikers will be. The financial risk of relegation is much smaller than overspending under FFP. The income drop from Championship to League One is real but much less in real terms/order of magnitude than just losing the parachute let alone relegation from the Prem. Many teams successfully bounceback without wholesale changes. What will cause FFP problems is not developing cash crop players each year to bridge our structural deficit. I have no problem spending money on older players such as Freeman but you have to have a hope of selling £9-10m worth of players every year and buying (not frees) 30 yr olds aint going to do that I never said that he would be the difference. I said that Judge would give us a better chance, based on the fact that he's a proven, experienced player in this league. I never said we need to overspend to stay up. In fact we have money to spend I'm led to believe, we just have to ensure that we don't break FFP rules by spending more than we are allowed to. Get your facts right. It will be Eze that keeps Chair out of the team, not Judge. Why so salty salt, its just a cordial exchange of opinions. That's how it works
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Post by sharky on Jul 24, 2019 22:22:35 GMT
From Football League World footballleagueworld.co.uk/qpr-deal-for-defender-falls-through-at-last-minute/QPR DEAL FOR DEFENDER FALLS THROUGH AT LAST MINUTEPublished 5 hours ago on 24/07/2019 By Chris Gallagher Queens Park Rangers will not be signing Chelsea’s Dujon Sterling after his move to Loftus Road hit a last minute problem. It had been reported earlier in the week that the talented right-back would be making the switch to the R’s as Mark Warburton looks to add to his squad ahead of the new season. He was seen as the replacement for Darnell Furlong, who yesterday completed a transfer to fellow Championship side West Brom for a fee believed to be in the region of £1.5m. However, the expected announcement didn’t happen and the Sky Sports Transfer Centre (17:11) revealed that the move is now off, although they didn’t specify why that is the case. Although, they do mention that a host of second-tier sides have expressed an interest in the England youth international which suggest a better offer may have come in for the teenager. Either way, it’s a setback for Warburton who did strengthen the R’s side with the capture of Jan Mlakar this evening, with the striker joining on loan from Brighton. The VerdictThis has to be a real worry for QPR as it seems pretty obvious now that they let Furlong go because they knew they would be bringing Sterling in. So, this late u-turn has put the club in an awkward position as they desperately need a right-back now. There is still a few weeks left in the window so it shouldn’t be too much of an issue in finding an alternative but it has given the recruitment team a problem they didn’t probably anticipate.
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Post by sharky on Jul 24, 2019 22:27:18 GMT
From Dave Mac at WLS. Looks like it's finally happening. Also interesting news on potential signings/loans too. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-geoff-cameron-stoke-city-medical-240719Cameron set for medical ahead of QPR moveBy David McIntyre 24/07/2019 Geoff Cameron will have a medical on Thursday ahead of a move to QPR. Cameron, who recently turned 34, revealed in March that he wanted to return to west London after his season-long loan from Stoke. Rangers have since been confident that he would reach a financial settlement with Stoke, where he has a year remaining on his contract, and move to Loftus Road on a permanent deal this summer as a free agent. And with Cameron now on the verge of finalising his departure from Stoke, QPR are planning to complete his signing in time for him to play in this weekend’s pre-season friendly against Watford. Rangers, who will face Stoke on the opening day of the season, signed forward Jan Mlakar, 20, on a season-long loan from Brighton on Wednesday. But they will have to bide their time in the all-important pursuit of a more seasoned striker, just as they did last summer when targeting Nahki Wells and Tomer Hemed. This time around Rangers are pursuing West Ham’s Jordan Hugill and have also been offered a potential deal to take Jordan Rhodes on loan from Sheffield Wednesday. Manager Mark Warburton would like to bring in Scott Hogan, who previously played under him at Brentford and is not in Aston Villa’s first-team plans.
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Post by salts on Jul 25, 2019 6:55:45 GMT
I never said that he would be the difference. I said that Judge would give us a better chance, based on the fact that he's a proven, experienced player in this league. I never said we need to overspend to stay up. In fact we have money to spend I'm led to believe, we just have to ensure that we don't break FFP rules by spending more than we are allowed to. Get your facts right. It will be Eze that keeps Chair out of the team, not Judge. Why so salty salt, its just a cordial exchange of opinions. That's how it works Be careful how you phrase your words then. You indicate that I stated things which I did not. Anyone will take offence to that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 8:04:51 GMT
Warburton is fast becoming a joke, buys up his old players and loans out good players. We send a good promising striker out on loan, and then we get another young loan striker!!!!!! yes you bet im sceptical. This club is becoming the joke of English football. Respond how you like i really dont care . Indeed...but we were shitee last season.6th from bottom. Because our owners couldn't organise a pis. up in a brewery , they spunked all our money, and now clubs are snapping up any promising players we have at a price below market value. Anyway....cheer up season starts soon. Time for some home truths in addition to those already pointed out in a few other responses above. I have been seeing the "becoming the joke of English football" comment being banded about for the last five years at least. First of all why are we the joke and how much further do we have to go to actually achieve becoming the joke of English football. Just interested as then we could say we have won something although I think there are many other clubs who are far ahead of us in that competition. Secondly the reason we finished 6th from bottom is because that is where our squad and their performances deserved us to be. The owners did not "spunk" all our money - we never had any money. All they did was blindly plough 200 to 300 million of their own money in loans into trying to buy success and it failed. They have through a mixture of doing the right thing and pressure from the EFL cleared most if not all of the high interest loans the club had and converted their loans to equity. They therefore have paid that vast sum of money to own the shares of a club that would be lucky to raise 10 million if sold so do not hold your breath waiting for them to go. We fell foul of the FFP rules, now years ago, and have paid the consequences in the terms of the fine and January transfer embargo. The current FFP restrictions that are driving our transfer and other policies are the same as any other club and the same as if the owners had not spent all that money years ago. The fine being paid over 10 years is excluded from FFP calculations. Therefore as with all clubs we have a limit on how much we can spend/lose measured on a rolling 3 year period. The amount allowed is based on the operating profit and loss of the club and now has nothing to do with the past mistakes The truth of the matter is that on the income side we have relatively small sponsorship, we have have little in the way of TV money and our attendances are on average low for the Championship and are restricted by the size of our old ground. There are games where we should and could (without Sky intervening) be able to sell at least 25,000 seats but cannot physically do so - that it is a great opportunity loss. On the expense side the club has cut out the high earning players and are continuing through the transfer policy to cut the wage bill to a level close to what we can support. We are crippled with the expense of maintaining an old and decaying stadium and the extraordinary high costs of stewarding and policing a two tier stadium in London on match days. Every time we open the gates we loose money. This is why. we have to try to sell players to survive and hopefully develop or bring in new ones to replace them and eventually be sold. The club has lived in that mode for most of the 60 odd years I have supported them but that is forgotten or unknown by the Twitter crowd brought up on events of the last 10 years. Some are complaining that we are loaning out or selling good young players at below value. If they were that good and that valuable they would have established themselves in the team or squad years ago and other clubs would have come knocking years ago. I laugh when I see some of the 'good' names being quoted - players who would not have been employed as boot cleaners during our better years. Bottom line is that we are what we are and it will take years, if ever, to change from that. Dream on about signing star players and PL players -it's not going to happen Take it or leave it but meanwhile, accepting that everyone has the right to express their opinion, try supporting the club instead of running down the club and anything we do..
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Post by sharky on Jul 25, 2019 8:19:40 GMT
Dave Mac from WLS saying Leistner our BFG is on the way out. Apparently MW doesn't rate him.
It sure seems to me that it's MW not Sir Les who making the squad decisions at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 8:41:00 GMT
Dave Mac from WLS saying Leistner our BFG is on the way out. Apparently MW doesn't rate him. It sure seems to me that it's MW not Sir Les who making the squad decisions at the moment Leistner out Cameron in - that swap seems like an improvement to me especially after Cameron's end of season displays at the back and ability to play midfield and proven PL record. Neither are long term investments but Cameron is the sort to combine with and develop youth for a season or 2 - remember Clint Hill ? As for who is making the decisions - obviously Warburton is having a strong influence (and rightly so imo) but I doubt any one individual is taking the decisions - LF, MW, Hoos and probably Ramsey all involved along with the scouts. Of course if one does not work out the owners will be blamed but hey ho!
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Post by harr on Jul 25, 2019 9:54:11 GMT
Another defender , Furlong replacement ?
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