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Post by kenthoop on Jul 22, 2019 15:43:11 GMT
everything else but any forwards so far beggars belief and another one of our youngsters sold for less than what we should have got for him ,I worry that we are losing our identity under the bread man because of all his ex players he is signing from his Xmas list how many more ? ๐
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Post by harr on Jul 22, 2019 15:52:12 GMT
Club thinking we can play all four keepers together whilst we donโt we play a forward , going for 46 consecutive goalless draws to stay up Certainly a strange one.... how many are we loaning out.
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Post by terryb on Jul 22, 2019 16:04:52 GMT
It does seem a strange position for us to sign someone else. I can only conclude that one of our "senior" 'keepers will be on the move. Indeed, I find it strange that Lumley has played in all three pre season matches & Kelly has not appeared (unless I've missed something!). Have we placed Joe in the shop window? I like Furlong, preferably at centre half, but I wasn't convinced that he would be a regular this season. If that was the case this is a fee that we can't afford to miss out on. I get the impression that we've not seen the end of movements in & out yet! Are we changing too much? if your of the opinion that we will face relegation this season, then obviously the answer is no. As someone who didn't think we would have relegation problems it may appear so. However, it doesn't feel that way to me. I can't explain why it doesn't but perhaps a near clearout was necessary. Anyhow, I look forward to seeing how we look at Stoke!
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 22, 2019 16:57:07 GMT
If the right players become available then sign them, if better than what weโve got! Iโm sure the incomings wages are a lot more reasonable and with no transfer fee
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Post by rangersman on Jul 22, 2019 17:51:45 GMT
I am now even more sceptical of Toastie, i think he is playing with our club.
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Post by nomar on Jul 22, 2019 20:03:43 GMT
I am now even more sceptical of Toastie, i think he is playing with our club. Because, naturally, a new manager whose stock has fallen and who needs to build it back up again is going to go to a new club and say to himself, โokay, how can I deliberately and spectacularly eff this up so that I fail in the most guaranteed way possible!โ
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Post by tkqpr on Jul 22, 2019 20:31:58 GMT
I am now even more sceptical of Toastie, i think he is playing with our club. Because, naturally, a new manager whose stock has fallen and who needs to build it back up again is going to go to a new club and say to himself, โokay, how can I deliberately and spectacularly eff this up so that I fail in the most guaranteed way possible!โ I think McClaren did Destroy & Exit..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VK2efdI92I
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Post by Roller on Jul 22, 2019 21:09:08 GMT
It does seem a strange position for us to sign someone else. I can only conclude that one of our "senior" 'keepers will be on the move. Indeed, I find it strange that Lumley has played in all three pre season matches & Kelly has not appeared (unless I've missed something!). Have we placed Joe in the shop window? I like Furlong, preferably at centre half, but I wasn't convinced that he would be a regular this season. If that was the case this is a fee that we can't afford to miss out on. I get the impression that we've not seen the end of movements in & out yet! Are we changing too much? if your of the opinion that we will face relegation this season, then obviously the answer is no. As someone who didn't think we would have relegation problems it may appear so. However, it doesn't feel that way to me. I can't explain why it doesn't but perhaps a near clearout was necessary. Anyhow, I look forward to seeing how we look at Stoke! Kelly played the second half in Austria and the first half against Borehamwood. I expect to see Kelly on Saturday. You've said before that you wouldn't be surprised if Lumley left before the season started, that does look even more likely now.
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Post by salts on Jul 22, 2019 22:20:05 GMT
One keeper is going out on loan. 3 is ideal, 4 is a crowd. Which one is being loaned out though?
I get the impression Kakay, Hamalainen, Goss, Wheeler will be shipped out on loan if required as I don't think MW feels they are ready for regular CH footy just yet. Anyone can be sold if a good offer comes along: ie Furlong. We need the money to obtain strikers. Cameron hopefully will sign - as competition for defensive CM. We need more options (other than Shodipo and BOS) at attacking LM and attacking RM - hence interest in Judge. I think Leistner's days are numbered... We obviously need strikers. They are hardest to obtain, so be patient. We may have to wait until transfer deadline for one or two in - possibly loans.
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 22, 2019 22:47:07 GMT
I am now even more sceptical of Toastie, i think he is playing with our club. Not sure why so sceptical! ... window dealings seem sensible, addressing areas that need strengthening and at very little cost. Ball seems to be getting plaudits during pre season, Marbet is the ideal foil for BFG , Wallace and Kelly in as full Scottish internationals/ squad players , Masterson a youth player who could break through this season. Yes we need strikers but one good signing and we will expect mid table but dream of play offs. Where does the negativity come from ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 6:45:21 GMT
I am now even more sceptical of Toastie, i think he is playing with our club. Not sure why so sceptical! ... window dealings seem sensible, addressing areas that need strengthening and at very little cost. Ball seems to be getting plaudits during pre season, Marbet is the ideal foil for BFG , Wallace and Kelly in as full Scottish internationals/ squad players , Masterson a youth player who could break through this season. Yes we need strikers but one good signing and we will expect mid table but dream of play offs. Where does the negativity come from ? The negativity comes from the same few posters regardless of what the club or manager do. To start to run down the manager before the season has even started or the transfer window is closed in not surprising coming from some people. Must be a sad way to go through life though. Onwards and upwards!
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2019 10:27:57 GMT
Still chasing Judge, apparently offering over 500 k now ?
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Post by sharky on Jul 23, 2019 11:30:29 GMT
From football insider www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hull-city-and-qpr-plot-raid-to-sign-nottingham-forest-colossus/Exclusive: Hull City and QPR plot raid to sign Nottingham Forest colossus Exclusive: Hull City and QPR plot raid to sign Nottingham Forest colossusDate: 23rd July 2019 at 12:09pm Written by: Football Insider EXCLUSIVE by Pete OโRourke Hull and Queens Park Rangers are plotting to raid Nottingham Forest for defender Joe Worrall, Football Insider understands. Worrall spent last season on loan at Rangers after finding himself out of favour under then Forest boss Aitor Karanka. Sources at both Hull and QPR have told Football Insider that the clubs are looking to bolster their defensive options and see Forestโs 6ft 3in powerhouse as someone that would fill the void at the heart of the defence. The colossal centre-back made 32 appearances in all competitions for Rangers last season, but the Scottish giants opted against making his loan deal into a permanent move. Worrall has been back in pre-season at Forest hoping to impress new City Ground chief Sabri Lamouchi to try and stake his claim for a place in the side ahead of the new season. Worrall, who has 52 Championship appearances under his belt, is into the final year of his contract at Forest and they could decide to cash-in on the defender rather than risk allowing him to run down his contract. He has a total of 56 games and one goal to his name during his time at the City Ground, his last outing for the club coming as a substitute in a 2-0 defeat to Millwall back in March 2018.
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Post by sharky on Jul 23, 2019 11:39:05 GMT
From Bristol Live www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leeds-west-brom-hugill-bristol-3124210Leeds United and West Bromwich Albion to rival Bristol City, Wigan Athletic and QPR for West Ham's Jordan Hugill - reportHe has several suitors By Krishan Davis 11:11, 23 JUL 2019 Two Championship big guns have joined Bristol City in the race to sign West Ham's Jordan Hugill. While Wigan Athletic have reportedly agreed a fee for the 27-year-old striker, Leeds United and West Brom have added their names his lengthy list of suitors according to the Daily Star . It was revealed last week that the Robins had revived their interest in the Hammers flop, with talks between the east London club and the Latics ongoing. Queens Park Rangers are the other side said to be monitoring his situation. A complicating factor is Hugill's demand for compensation from West Ham to make up for the pay cut that would come with dropping back down to the Championship permanently, thought to be about 50 per cent. Bristol City were interested in signing Hugill back in January 2018 until he ultimately decided to move to the top flight from Preston North End. He played just 35 minutes of Premier League football in three substitute appearances before being shipped out on loan to Middlesbrough last season. The forward struggled to emulate the form in the Championship that saw the east London club splash around ยฃ10m to take him to the Olympic Stadium, scoring six times in 37 appearances. He is back with West Ham for pre-season but the Mirror suggests he is surplus to requirements at his parent club as they go in search of a cheap striker to provide cover and competition for record signing Sebastien Haller.
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Post by sharky on Jul 23, 2019 11:43:31 GMT
From Football League World footballleagueworld.co.uk/qpr-player-secures-19-20-switch/LATEST NEWSQPR PLAYER SECURES 19/20 SWITCHPublished 18 hours ago on 22/07/2019 By Toby Wilding QPR defender Gilles Phillips has joined League One side Wycombe Wanderers on a season-long loan, the Championship club have confirmed. Having impressed in two friendlies while on trial with Wycombe โ scoring in a 3-2 win over National League Woking โ the centre back is now set to join up with Gareth Ainsworthโs side for the coming campaign. Phillips, who has yet to make a senior appearance for Rangers, has been a part of the clubโs Under 23s squad since joining from FC Barrington in his native USA following a trial with the London based side in the summer of 2017. The 22-year-old signed a new contract with QPR in February, which is set to tie him to the club until the summer of 2020, meaning he will be out of contract at the club when he returns from his loan at the end of next season. Confirmation of Phillipsโ temporary move means there will now be two QPR players playing at Wycombe next year, with striker Paul Smyth having already moved to Adams Park on a season-long loan earlier in the summer. The VerdictThis is clearly going to be a big season for Phillips. With his QPR contract up at the end of the season, this is potentially his last chance to impress enough to earn a deal beyond the current campaign, be it with Rangers or somewhere else. In that sense, you imagine this deal is likely to suit him better than remaining at QPR, since there will be a much better chance for Phillips to prove himself at first-team level with Wycombe than you imagine there would have been at QPR. Whether or not Phillips is able to take that chance remains to be seen, but the fact that he has already impressed during his friendly appearances while on trial with Wycombe suggests that it will at least be presented to him between now and the end of the season.
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Post by sharky on Jul 23, 2019 11:49:30 GMT
And it's all quiet on the Luongo and Cameron fronts
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Jul 23, 2019 11:59:12 GMT
From football insider www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-hull-city-and-qpr-plot-raid-to-sign-nottingham-forest-colossus/Exclusive: Hull City and QPR plot raid to sign Nottingham Forest colossus Exclusive: Hull City and QPR plot raid to sign Nottingham Forest colossusDate: 23rd July 2019 at 12:09pm Written by: Football Insider EXCLUSIVE by Pete OโRourke Hull and Queens Park Rangers are plotting to raid Nottingham Forest for defender Joe Worrall, Football Insider understands. Worrall spent last season on loan at Rangers after finding himself out of favour under then Forest boss Aitor Karanka. Sources at both Hull and QPR have told Football Insider that the clubs are looking to bolster their defensive options and see Forestโs 6ft 3in powerhouse as someone that would fill the void at the heart of the defence. The colossal centre-back made 32 appearances in all competitions for Rangers last season, but the Scottish giants opted against making his loan deal into a permanent move. Worrall has been back in pre-season at Forest hoping to impress new City Ground chief Sabri Lamouchi to try and stake his claim for a place in the side ahead of the new season. Worrall, who has 52 Championship appearances under his belt, is into the final year of his contract at Forest and they could decide to cash-in on the defender rather than risk allowing him to run down his contract. He has a total of 56 games and one goal to his name during his time at the City Ground, his last outing for the club coming as a substitute in a 2-0 defeat to Millwall back in March 2018. Could be legs in rumour BFG could be on the move with him being the only saleable centre back remaining!
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2019 12:12:24 GMT
Sounds like we are changing pretty much the whole starting 11, letโs hope they gel quickly, little worrying but who knows may work out ok?
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2019 12:34:27 GMT
Patience is necessary and seems to be in short supply for a large section of our fanbase.
Fans want a Premier League level striker.
The problem is that we can't buy one. That's not because the club is skint and can't afford it. Far from it! The club could buy back the fans favourite Charlie Austin tomorrow. Buy in doing so they'd go over their FFP limit in the process.
So the club has deep pockets but they can't spend it because they are handicapped by what FFP will allow them to do.
They could cave on to the Twitter meatheads, as Clive Whittingham calls them, and just go out and get any old striker, to placate the masses readying their pitchforks and matches.
Or they could hold that they want the best striker they can get, which means waiting till the end of the window when Premier League teams need to off load the players they're not going to use this season, and get a Prem calibre striker on loan.
Just a thought, but maybe that's the plan here.
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Post by egranger on Jul 23, 2019 13:50:01 GMT
Patience is necessary and seems to be in short supply for a large section of our fanbase. Fans want a Premier League level striker. The problem is that we can't buy one. That's not because the club is skint and can't afford it. Far from it! The club could buy back the fans favourite Charlie Austin tomorrow. Buy in doing so they'd go over their FFP limit in the process. So the club has deep pockets but they can't spend it because they are handicapped by what FFP will allow them to do. They could cave on to the Twitter meatheads, as Clive Whittingham calls them, and just go out and get any old striker, to placate the masses readying their pitchforks and matches. Or they could hold that they want the best striker they can get, which means waiting till the end of the window when Premier League teams need to off load the players they're not going to use this season, and get a Prem calibre striker on loan. Just a thought, but maybe that's the plan here. Which is what we did last season and it worked for a while...it was just a shame to see players like Oteh, Chair & Smyth out on loan - it will be interesting to see if they play much this season with Smyth already loaned out to Wycombe.
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2019 14:01:06 GMT
Patience is necessary and seems to be in short supply for a large section of our fanbase. Fans want a Premier League level striker. The problem is that we can't buy one. That's not because the club is skint and can't afford it. Far from it! The club could buy back the fans favourite Charlie Austin tomorrow. Buy in doing so they'd go over their FFP limit in the process. So the club has deep pockets but they can't spend it because they are handicapped by what FFP will allow them to do. They could cave on to the Twitter meatheads, as Clive Whittingham calls them, and just go out and get any old striker, to placate the masses readying their pitchforks and matches. Or they could hold that they want the best striker they can get, which means waiting till the end of the window when Premier League teams need to off load the players they're not going to use this season, and get a Prem calibre striker on loan. Just a thought, but maybe that's the plan here. Which is what we did last season and it worked for a while...it was just a shame to see players like Oteh, Chair & Smyth out on loan - it will be interesting to see if they play much this season with Smyth already loaned out to Wycombe. Yes but last season it was a desperation measure. This season there appears to be more of a plan and mindset behind it. They will get strikers in but the way some fans go on it sounds like they genuinely think Les and Hoos and Warbs really don't know we've only got one striker and intend doing nothing about it.
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2019 15:23:26 GMT
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Post by sharky on Jul 23, 2019 16:04:10 GMT
All the best for your future Darnell. I hope we have a sell on clause and you go from strength to strength! www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/darnell-furlong-departs-qpr-for-wba/Darnell Furlong departs QPR for WBAAndy Watkins @andywa7kins DARNELL Furlong has left QPR to join fellow Championship side West Bromwich Albion for an undisclosed fee. The right-back departs after a decade with the Rโs, where he excelled in the Academy before making his first team debut in February 2015 in the Premier League. Furlong โ son of ex-Rangers front-man and Under-18s manager Paul Furlong โ featured 72 times in all competitions for the Hoops either side of loan spells with Northampton Town, Cambridge United and Swindon Town. The 23-year-old joins West Brom after Albion narrowly missed out on promotion last season following defeat to Aston Villa in the play-offs. Everyone at the club would like to thank Darnell for his contribution and outstanding professionalism throughout his time with us and wish him every success in the future.
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Post by salts on Jul 23, 2019 16:20:23 GMT
Patience is necessary and seems to be in short supply for a large section of our fanbase. Fans want a Premier League level striker. The problem is that we can't buy one. That's not because the club is skint and can't afford it. Far from it! The club could buy back the fans favourite Charlie Austin tomorrow. Buy in doing so they'd go over their FFP limit in the process. So the club has deep pockets but they can't spend it because they are handicapped by what FFP will allow them to do. They could cave on to the Twitter meatheads, as Clive Whittingham calls them, and just go out and get any old striker, to placate the masses readying their pitchforks and matches. Or they could hold that they want the best striker they can get, which means waiting till the end of the window when Premier League teams need to off load the players they're not going to use this season, and get a Prem calibre striker on loan. Just a thought, but maybe that's the plan here. Which is what we did last season and it worked for a while...it was just a shame to see players like Oteh, Chair & Smyth out on loan - it will be interesting to see if they play much this season with Smyth already loaned out to Wycombe. They are better players now for their loan spells. Had they stayed do you think we would still be in the Championship had they played? Finding it amusing (and despairing) that some fans are up in arms because we are selling off most of the team that kept us up by just one single victory...
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Post by rangersman on Jul 23, 2019 16:52:53 GMT
Im not interested in cant see why posts, if im sceptical then deal with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and last 2 or 3 seasons i have been spot on. Lets hope the new signings from his old club etc do the business, they have not so far. So wind your necks in for now.
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Post by terryb on Jul 23, 2019 17:33:31 GMT
Im not interested in cant see why posts, if im sceptical then deal with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and last 2 or 3 seasons i have been spot on. Lets hope the new signings from his old club etc do the business, they have not so far. So wind your necks in for now. Perhaps I'm wrong, but weren't you predicting relegation with the players that we had from last season? If so, I don't understand how replacing those players can be a bad thing in your view. It is possible that we are going backwards, but until I see the team perform at Stoke I have no reason to believe that is the case. I think (certainly hope) that Masterson is a better player than Furlong,, Wallace is better than Bidwell, Barbet is better than Lynch, Kelly is better than Lumley etc. I'm definitely expecting us to perform better in defence & that will include having defenders who are comfortable with the ball. Last seasson we could mainly defend crosses into our penalty area but couldm't cope with forwards running off the ball. We are addressing that, but I do accept we may be weaker defending crosses. Personally, I'm quite comfortable with the idea of losing Leistner as I prefer ball players! We most definitely do need to sign a forward/goalscorer or two. Again, I'm not sad to see Matt Smith leave. I don't question his endeavour or record, but I detested our style of play whenever he was on the pitch. The same applies to how we relied on Furlong's long throws! Football is a game to be played on grass, not in the sky. That's what watching the sides/players of Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables & Howe do to you! Of course, Warnock managed to combine both styles due to the ability of Helguson & the sheer class of Faurlin & Taarabt. In the words of John Lennon "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you join us & Rangers will be at one".
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Post by rangersman on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:32 GMT
Well said sir
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Post by nomar on Jul 23, 2019 19:26:05 GMT
Im not interested in cant see why posts, if im sceptical then deal with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and last 2 or 3 seasons i have been spot on. Lets hope the new signings from his old club etc do the business, they have not so far. So wind your necks in for now. To be fair, it does seem to me that the ones that need to "wind their necks in" seem to be the ones going mad on twitter and on QPR fan message boards slating off the club and coating Les and Warbs before a single ball has been kicked in anger in a Championship league fixture.
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2019 22:07:38 GMT
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Post by egranger on Jul 24, 2019 0:18:53 GMT
Im not interested in cant see why posts, if im sceptical then deal with it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and last 2 or 3 seasons i have been spot on. Lets hope the new signings from his old club etc do the business, they have not so far. So wind your necks in for now. Perhaps I'm wrong, but weren't you predicting relegation with the players that we had from last season? If so, I don't understand how replacing those players can be a bad thing in your view. It is possible that we are going backwards, but until I see the team perform at Stoke I have no reason to believe that is the case. I think (certainly hope) that Masterson is a better player than Furlong,, Wallace is better than Bidwell, Barbet is better than Lynch, Kelly is better than Lumley etc. I'm definitely expecting us to perform better in defence & that will include having defenders who are comfortable with the ball. Last seasson we could mainly defend crosses into our penalty area but couldm't cope with forwards running off the ball. We are addressing that, but I do accept we may be weaker defending crosses. Personally, I'm quite comfortable with the idea of losing Leistner as I prefer ball players! We most definitely do need to sign a forward/goalscorer or two. Again, I'm not sad to see Matt Smith leave. I don't question his endeavour or record, but I detested our style of play whenever he was on the pitch. The same applies to how we relied on Furlong's long throws! Football is a game to be played on grass, not in the sky. That's what watching the sides/players of Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables & Howe do to you! Of course, Warnock managed to combine both styles due to the ability of Helguson & the sheer class of Faurlin & Taarabt. In the words of John Lennon "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope someday you join us & Rangers will be at one". I hope you are right Terry but not sure what you are basing it on that the signings are better and more comfortable on the ball than the ones who have left. Although they hardly be less comfortable than Lynch and Bidwell. I wonโt be having a go at the manager - he speaks well - but he has certainly had quite an input into our signings with so many of them having worked with him before (reminds me of Harry ๐) Rangers can not afford to off load this manager with so many of the signings clearly his players and not chosen by Sir Les
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