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Post by harr on Aug 31, 2018 9:51:53 GMT
Wow big cash lost there, yet again.
Like Terry as a bloke I liked him, a trier, gave 100% but not a goalscorer, was lucky enough to have a brief chat with him Saturday.
Good luck Connor
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 31, 2018 10:06:47 GMT
Remember there was also a Posh player, Mackenzie who we trying to buy a decade+ ago ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:23:17 GMT
Wow big cash lost there, yet again. Like Terry as a bloke I liked him, a trier, gave 100% but not a goalscorer, was lucky enough to have a brief chat with him Saturday. Good luck Connor Not that much cash - we gambled on his reputation and paid a bit over the odds but have had his services for a couple of seasons which has a price tp pay.
Fact is we overpaid for him, his record and reputation as a goal scorer has and continues to decline every time he plays, he is out of contract in the summer, no club is going to offer a money for him due to his record with us - he may try but he does not do his main job of scoring goals.
He is down the pecking order so if his agent has lined up a new club its best for all concerned to make the break. I expect cancelling his contract if he has a new club lined up will be cheaper than keeping him and if we did keep him he would be gone for nothing in January or the summer anyway.
Good luck to him but now lets move on.
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2018 10:59:38 GMT
Blimey, Washington has signed for Sheffield United!
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Post by manicmatt8 on Aug 31, 2018 11:05:07 GMT
Best of luck to Connor. I liked him, but was eventually forced to accept that he wasn't good at converting chances for us. In the past, if more gifted players had worked half as much as Connor, we would remember them with more affection! Completely agree he was a good guy who tried and tried until recently when his head dropped a shame but best for all I think
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 31, 2018 11:15:41 GMT
On the offish now...
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Post by harr on Aug 31, 2018 11:15:43 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2018 13:01:17 GMT
Shame about Washington. We have had so many players who do not try and then we have one who really does put in a shift, but looks cursed at QPR. Seems we could not give our strikers away this window, let alone get a fee. Think they would have preferred Sylla to go rather than CW, but no takers at all. But in days gone by, we would have been happy to have CW in reserve. But now if we wish to take one more on to the wage bill, one has to go the other way. The club needed to remove 10 months worth of wages - probably between £750k and £1m. I wonder if mutual agreement included a termination fee so that he could accept lower wages else where? Elphick and Chris Martin on their way to Hull it seems. Will be interesting to monitor how all these close things work out elsewhere including Washington.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 13:34:32 GMT
Best of luck to Connor. I liked him, but was eventually forced to accept that he wasn't good at converting chances for us. In the past, if more gifted players had worked half as much as Connor, we would remember them with more affection! Completely agree he was a good guy who tried and tried until recently when his head dropped a shame but best for all I think One of our problems since the likes of Joey Barton left, is that we have had a team full of nice guys. To do anywhere near well in the Championship I think we need a couple of real hard men to add some backbone and give as good as we get. Someone like a Dave Webb at centre half for example - maybe the man from Stoke can add that.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 31, 2018 13:48:41 GMT
QPR striker Sylla could make pre-deadline move to Turkey By David McIntyre 31/08/2018 QPR: Idrissa Sylla A number of Turkish clubs have indicated that they are interested in signing Idrissa Sylla. QPR want to reduce their wage bill and are trying to offload the striker. Clubs across Europe and beyond have been made aware of his availability. A recent enquiry from Blackburn Rovers came to nothing and Rangers have given up hope of another English club coming in for him. QPR have succeeded in offloading players to Turkish clubs in the past, with Jose Bosingwa joining Trabzonspor and Sandro signing for Antalyaspor after numerous other avenues had been exhausted while trying to get rid of them. The loan window for EFL clubs closes at 5pm UK time but the transfer window in Turkey will remain open for several hours after that. Rangers are hoping a deal can be done for Sylla, who joined them from Anderlecht in 2016, to move on. However, the club believed they were on course to sell him to Turkish sides during previous transfer windows and no move materialised. Sylla has slipped further down the pecking order of strikers at QPR following the recent loan signings of Tomer Hemed and Nahki Wells. Conor Washington, who was also surplus to requirements, has joined Sheffield United on a one-year deal. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-striker-sylla-could-make-pre-deadline-move-to-turkey
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 14:17:04 GMT
I can see the financial side of moving on Sylla but that would leave us with less strikers than we started pre-season with. I still prefer Sylla to say Washington and if played in the right position he will at least score a few goals. I could see him doing reasonably well in a front 2 with one of our loan signings in case of injury.
I think it is too late now for him to move but maybe the incoming loans may have given him the push to move on this time. Otherwise I think our dealings are over for this window unless we loan out another young player or two.
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Post by Roller on Aug 31, 2018 19:15:50 GMT
Sorry, I've not been paying much attention recently, but to rattle back a few pages, someone asked if we should expect to be loaning players next season too. I'd suggest that we have a little more latitude this season. We have the same parachute payment as last season, but do not have the wages of Caulker, Ned, Robinson and Smithies to name but four. I did expect us to use this season to get ahead of FFP as next season will potentially be the toughest yet, but in Hoos we trust.
I don't envisage us being able to loan players of the caliber of Hemed and Wells next season which is why it is imperative that we bring on our own; if loaning some of them out is the best way to do this while maintaining our position in this league, then so be it.
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Post by wokinghamr on Aug 31, 2018 19:22:45 GMT
Cameron will hopefully be a good signing. Did cast an eye order the released players, including the chief. Didn’t know mcauley was 38;otherwise he would have been a good option for us. Huth is still available at 34 though?
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Post by Roller on Aug 31, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
We are able to convert loans from this window into permanent deals in January, provided the terms of the purchase are registered in this window. That is what Hoos said in his podcast anyway. We can also sign players for 70% of what we receive on any player sale. Just to clarify here, we can not buy any players in January, but, if a player leaves, we can sign a replacement for free as long as we pay them no more than 70% (maybe 75%) of the wages of the departed player.
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Post by harr on Aug 31, 2018 21:07:47 GMT
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2018 21:37:48 GMT
He comes across very well in interview, hopefully he can hit the ground running if he plays tomorrow.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 1, 2018 7:26:59 GMT
So Sarah Conor got Terminated and upon leaving was alleged to have said..."I'll be Back".
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Post by dan on Sept 1, 2018 16:11:29 GMT
Really wish we could have gotten Cameron 5 years ago, but then again, at 33, it's probably why we were able to get him. Unfortunately for him, he will part of the US national team's "outgoing" players as we are in the midst of a complete rebuild. Then again, that just means he is available all season.
I'm glad we have an Anerican on the team! Hope he does us proud!
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Post by harr on Sept 11, 2018 0:01:19 GMT
ClubCall September 10, 2018 04:21 pm Peter Crouch says he would love to play for QPR again before he retires – and there is still plenty of time for that to happen. Now 37, the former England striker, currently plying his trade for Stoke, made his League debut while playing for the Loftus Road club back in 2000.
Speaking to ITV London, Crouch said: ‘I’ve played for quite a few clubs but quite a few of them I hold dearly, really. I think QPR is one of my favourites because that’s where I started.
‘My friends and family are QPR fans, as well, so that’s one that is really close to my heart and I always said I would go back there one day and I would love to go back there.’
Despite now enjoying his 19th season in League football, Crouch is hoping to take his career beyond his 40th birthday.
He added: ‘I spoke with Mark Hughes when he was manager at Stoke, he played until he was 40, and we had a few chats about it and he was like ‘I think you can do that’.
‘I’ve, sort of, set myself a target of that now. I still feel fit, I still do what all the rest of the players do, I don’t take any sort of time off or rest, I like to be on the training pitch every single day, I still love it, so I’ll do it for as long as possible.’
Crouch was talking as part of his book launch, with the striker having recently had his book ‘How To Be A Footballer’ published.
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Post by dan on Sept 11, 2018 1:38:41 GMT
Wow! If we could land Crouch, I would be on the first flight across the pond. The first (and only) game I ever attended was when he first had joined the team. I watched in complete amazement. I would love to see his career come full circle and wrap things up wearing the hoops. Please let this come true!
Bonus: he doesn’t need the money. I’m pretty sure he would sign a very favorable contract with us. Get this done!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 11, 2018 9:33:52 GMT
Wow! If we could land Crouch, I would be on the first flight across the pond. The first (and only) game I ever attended was when he first had joined the team. I watched in complete amazement. I would love to see his career come full circle and wrap things up wearing the hoops. Please let this come true! Bonus: he doesn’t need the money. I’m pretty sure he would sign a very favorable contract with us. Get this done! I'd agree with this - if Crouchie was available now. But he's still under contract at Stoke, playing - and presumably earning a lot more than we could afford. With our January transfer embargo, the absolute earliest he could come in would be next summer. Who knows what situation we'll be in then.
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 11, 2018 12:18:22 GMT
Anton Ferdinand to St.Mirren having been released by Southend............
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Post by bowranger on Sept 11, 2018 13:30:47 GMT
Wow! If we could land Crouch, I would be on the first flight across the pond. The first (and only) game I ever attended was when he first had joined the team. I watched in complete amazement. I would love to see his career come full circle and wrap things up wearing the hoops. Please let this come true! Bonus: he doesn’t need the money. I’m pretty sure he would sign a very favorable contract with us. Get this done! I'd agree with this - if Crouchie was available now. But he's still under contract at Stoke, playing - and presumably earning a lot more than we could afford. With our January transfer embargo, the absolute earliest he could come in would be next summer. Who knows what situation we'll be in then. Would make absolutely zero financial sense but I bloody love Peter Crouch and would have him back here in a heartbeat. He's too expensive, he's old, it makes a mockery of our sustainable approach yadda yadda...but to see him in hoops again would be phenomenal!
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Post by dan on Sept 12, 2018 22:57:29 GMT
Would make absolutely zero financial sense but I bloody love Peter Crouch and would have him back here in a heartbeat. He's too expensive, he's old, it makes a mockery of our sustainable approach yadda yadda...but to see him in hoops again would be phenomenal! For a guy approaching his 40’s, which by time he got to us he would be knocking at that door, he could not be commanding too much. Furthermore, like a I said, I don’t think he is in search of one last big pay day. He doesn’t need the money. He wants to ride off into the sunset playing for the team he started with. At least that’s what I hope.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 11:20:28 GMT
Interesting but sad to see that Smithies does not even make the bench for Cardiff - I wonder what is going through his mind now having made the move, not getting a game apart from a disaster of a league cup game and likely to end up back in the Championship next season - and probably not a starter.
From our point of view it was good business to move him before his contract ran down and his fee probably was enough to finance the 4 incoming loans of experienced players. Many were against signing experience but I feel the turnaround in results since they arrived is no co-incidence.
Meanwhile Washington has started where he left off with us - coming on as a sub and missing potential match winning chances but still putting in the effort.
Manning (from watching highlights) seems to have been ignited by his loan and probably out to prove a point. Still I think it was the right decision as he was down the pecking order and not going to get much game time with us so better to let him have good regular football at Championship level. If he continues to do well either he will make the move permanent or will be back with us if we have to sell in January. I am not sure he is a direct Freeman replacement and I still hope we can hang on to Freeman in January. He is too important to us going forward and we have more cover in defensive midfield than attacking midfield. Maybe if Freeman goes we will see someone like OSB or Oteh coming in to replace him.
Overall conclusion is that I think our summer window activity has proven to be better than many expected at the time.
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 17, 2018 9:45:11 GMT
CAULKER IN UKRAINE LINK
Steven Caulker is set to go on trial with Arsenal Kiev ahead of a possible move to the Ukrainian club, according to West London Sport.
The former QPR defender left Dundee earlier this season.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 17, 2018 10:32:57 GMT
Interesting but sad to see that Smithies does not even make the bench for Cardiff - I wonder what is going through his mind now having made the move, not getting a game apart from a disaster of a league cup game and likely to end up back in the Championship next season - and probably not a starter. From our point of view it was good business to move him before his contract ran down and his fee probably was enough to finance the 4 incoming loans of experienced players. Many were against signing experience but I feel the turnaround in results since they arrived is no co-incidence. Meanwhile Washington has started where he left off with us - coming on as a sub and missing potential match winning chances but still putting in the effort. Manning (from watching highlights) seems to have been ignited by his loan and probably out to prove a point. Still I think it was the right decision as he was down the pecking order and not going to get much game time with us so better to let him have good regular football at Championship level. If he continues to do well either he will make the move permanent or will be back with us if we have to sell in January. I am not sure he is a direct Freeman replacement and I still hope we can hang on to Freeman in January. He is too important to us going forward and we have more cover in defensive midfield than attacking midfield. Maybe if Freeman goes we will see someone like OSB or Oteh coming in to replace him. Overall conclusion is that I think our summer window activity has proven to be better than many expected at the time. With Manning, I probably see him more as a Luongo replacement because of his engine, but the fact that his role isn't crystal clear is probably one of his strengths for the future. He can play a Freeman role in attacking midfield/behind the striker (though with less guile, he's very different). He can bring the ball forward like Luongo, he can cover Scowen in terms of having bite and tenacity. He's even filled in at left back before and done absolutely fine. So he's certainly versatile. If Freeman was to go, Osayi-Samuel could certainly play a role if Saturday's shape is anything to go by, seeing as he'd just slot right into the left of midfield - weirdly, fulfilling a position where we've not previously seen the best of Freeman. How many times did people, justifiably, point to Freeman being poorer for being out wide as opposed to behind the striker? It's arguably why he didn't do so well at Bristol as he now does for us. What does seem quite exciting about this 4-4-2 based on Saturday, though, is that it's certainly not a traditional left midfield role and ditto with Eze on the right. They aren't wingers, so we don't have them playing like wingers - they have the freedom to drift inside, swap sides and generally cause problems through their unpredictability. It's weird to see how it'll turn out, though. On one hand, you could argue that the addition of both Wells and Hemed and the subsequent binning of the much lauded 4-3-2-1 system means we've still got the pressure of including Freeman and Eze in the midfield, but are now doing so in unfamiliar wide positions. With the middle options being filled with Scowen (absolutely essential on the defensive/cleaning up side), Luongo or the currently in-vogue Cousins, there's nowhere else to put them...which in turn, means a strange situation where we've actually adapted the formation into one Smyth and Osayi-Samuel would be well suited to, but they now have no route in to actually get a game. On the other hand, the fact that Freeman and Eze do not play traditional wide midfielder roles in this new 4-4-2 could mean that Osayi-Samuel and Smyth are useful off the bench because of how different they are. As in, both are players who are very happy roasting full backs and getting to the by-line - they are far more direct, less tricky, more traditional than Eze or Freeman. Both players could certainly give tired defences a very different threat to worry about if we're chasing a game, say. I wouldn't put Oteh near that equation though. From what I've seen of him he's very much a traditional striker. Strong, brave, snaffles up chances in the box. He's not quick or tricky, his inclusion would be dependent on whether combinations of Wells, Hemed, Smith or Sylla got injured or fell out of favour (not that Sylla seems to be 'in favour' whatsoever). My take on the transfer policy in general hasn't changed much, other than being very happy about the very positive recovery we've mounted. I don't think we've torn it up and started again but I do think the level of change in strategy has been underplayed. I also don't think the future implications are as benign, either. I actually typed a load out about my take on it but annoyingly, Clive on LFW already summed up a similar view far better than I could have so I'll just copy and paste it here: I think a thing worth reiterating from that is that scepticism about our use of the loan market is not rooted in my or anyone else's gut instinct, it is based on the rationale brought up by the club themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 12:23:32 GMT
I believe in a recent interview Amit said the aim for this season was (again) to stay up and then kick on next season. That makes sense to me and the use of one season loans to achieve safety this season is fine with me. The tests are firstly what will happen if Furlong gets fit and playing well enough by December - will we let Rangel go or do we keep him for the rest of the season either as first choice or as cover as Furlong does have a habit of picking up medium term injuries. I would say keep him if finance allows.
Second test comes at the end of the season. I cannot see that we would keep Cameron - just financially and probably the same would apply to the strikers. In that case we must be looking for Oteh to have progressed and be ready to take a striker role and to have identified or developed younger players to replace the other loans. I still think it will take another season after this before we will be anywhere near the younger team that the club had been talking about - or if we do see that young team earlier I think we will be struggling.
I would not mind seeing Wells staying with us for another season or 2 - Rome not built in a day and all that and remember young man Zamora!
The other question is will Goss ever be fit and performing to the potential he was said to have. If that happened and he could control the games from midfield it must be a plus but I have doubts on whether it will happen.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 17, 2018 13:50:31 GMT
I believe in a recent interview Amit said the aim for this season was (again) to stay up and then kick on next season. That makes sense to me and the use of one season loans to achieve safety this season is fine with me. The tests are firstly what will happen if Furlong gets fit and playing well enough by December - will we let Rangel go or do we keep him for the rest of the season either as first choice or as cover as Furlong does have a habit of picking up medium term injuries. I would say keep him if finance allows.
Second test comes at the end of the season. I cannot see that we would keep Cameron - just financially and probably the same would apply to the strikers. In that case we must be looking for Oteh to have progressed and be ready to take a striker role and to have identified or developed younger players to replace the other loans. I still think it will take another season after this before we will be anywhere near the younger team that the club had been talking about - or if we do see that young team earlier I think we will be struggling.
I would not mind seeing Wells staying with us for another season or 2 - Rome not built in a day and all that and remember young man Zamora!
The other question is will Goss ever be fit and performing to the potential he was said to have. If that happened and he could control the games from midfield it must be a plus but I have doubts on whether it will happen. On Rangel, my take is if Furlong and Kakay are both fit by that point then having a 35 year old RB on subsidised wages is an extravagance that makes little sense. It pushes Kakay back further at the expense of a loanee and Furlong's done nothing to suggest he can't play that role in the first team. I don't buy Furlong's injuries being a 'habit'. I'd get it if he was de facto injury prone and his injuries were related but they aren't. For example, Grant Hall's injury setbacks are different aggrevations of the same core injury, which isn't the case with Furlong - he just got injured, thems the risks. Agree on Cameron, I can't see that making sense beyond a loan. He's ostensibly here because he has the double role of providing cover for Scowen (now Manning's gone on loan) and filling in at CB when required. Either via Hall or a signing next summer, the CB issue needs to be fixed permanently going forward rather than band-aiding it as we are now. On the strikers, it depends on what this new loan policy is. If we just panicked after the poor start, then I'd imagine we'd be trying again to sign a new striker having off-loaded Sylla and/or Smith in the Summer on a permanent basis. Oteh's progression isn't going to come anywhere near the first team seeing as we've subtracted one (Washington) but added two (Wells and Hemed) layers ahead of him. Unless he starts featuring on the bench before Christmas, I'd imagine we'd pack him off on loan in January if we can and then assess in the Summer break. If the loans signal a change in direction (small squad, topped up by higher quality loans like the old Pulis method) we could end up doing the same thing with a different version of Hemed and Wells for next season. Too far in the future to really tell, really. As I've said before, it doesn't necessarily need to be a "young team". It's just that those young players were playing as part of a more experienced side, were scoring and now they are not. They had decent levels of integration under Holloway and we were not struggling then. It's not a dichotomy of playing with experienced loans or playing the kids, it's about a balance and that balance has tipped towards the former now. It seems like post-event logic, to me, where because we've got some good quality older heads in on loan our youngsters have gone from exciting young prospects for this season to needing to be wrapped up in oodles of cotton wool or sent off on loan. As almost always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. And our response ain't in the middle. But it's happened now and we're winning games, so I'm not complaining. I'm just weary about the future and the changing messages. Goss - I just have no idea. I've not rated what I've seen, he's barely featured and he went down in my estimation when he refused to go on loan to League One before finally spending a few months at Glasgow Rangers. I don't really see how it fits into this team in the near future.
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Post by Marc on Sept 17, 2018 14:45:34 GMT
Bow, Rangel isn't loan so Swansea won't have any say.
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