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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 29, 2018 11:07:03 GMT
Love the way this starts with a headline and ends with a different conclusion! If he is a high earner at Derby - he has not got a hope in hell of being paid that at QPR......I know it is clickbait, but still amusing. Blackburn in chase with QPR to secure agreement with powerful Championship star Derby County Blackburn in chase with QPR to secure agreement with powerful Championship star Published 18 mins ago on 29/08/2018 By Gary Hutchinson Derby County striker Cameron Jerome is attracting interest from several Championship rivals, according to the Daily Mirror’s live football blog (28/08 18.40pm). The Rams are reportedly willing to listen to offers for the journeyman striker, with Queens Park Rangers heading up a queue that also includes Ipswich, Hull City, Blackburn and Reading. 32-year old Jerome only joined Derby for £1.5m from Norwich City in January, scoring six times as the Rams missed out on promotion in the play-offs. He hasn’t impressed new manager Frank Lampard and has failed to make an appearance this season. Jerome has also played for Birmingham City, Stoke City and Cardiff City in a stellar career, during which he’s made 519 senior appearances, scoring 126 goals. He even appeared for England U21s in his youth, but never broke through to the senior side. He’s been promoted to the Premier League twice with Birmingham and once with Norwich City and has never appeared outside the top two divisions. The Verdict Jerome is thought to be a high-earner at Pride Park and with him being surplus to requirements, a move looks likely. He can score goals at this level, that much is beyond doubt, but whether the list of possible suitors are willing to cover his wages is another thing entirely. Of that list, Blackburn recently signed a striker and QPR brought in two, so it looks as if perhaps Hull, Ipswich and Reading might fight it out footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-in-chase-with-qpr-to-secure-agreement-with-powerful-championship-star/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 12:09:50 GMT
There's an argument that we're in poor form and therefore you wait until there's points on the board and a platform to grow from where it's 'safer' to bring the young players in. I follow that. However, are they going to be? These aren't kids fresh out the U23s. There's just as much argument that if that group of players are beginning to grind out points in a new shape, then you let them continue and don't rock the boat. As before, I'm not really disagreeing much with what anyone says here, I'm just noting concern with the change of tone and direction about the place under McClaren. There may be stuff none of us understand going on behind the scenes. For all I know (for the record, I don't think this is the case) Manning is more highly rated than Cousins but Manning is far a more attractive loan option for other clubs and Cousins is our contracted player so it's better to try and make the best of him now. It boggles the mind on a man-for-man basis why someone tenacious like Manning isn't being chucked in to shore things up at West Brom as opposed to a lightweight Cousins, but maybe that's because the loan deal was sorted and we couldn't risk him being injured? There could be all sorts of reasons. As people rightly say, the loan options going out can be as complicated as the loan options coming in - we can only get players in clubs are willing to part with and we can only loan out the players other teams are actually interested in. But the defining feature for me is that Holloway played those youngsters, blooded them, took risks with them, because it was part of his job description. It was explicitly part of the public discourse on McClaren's appointment too, but he isn't. The fundamental thing for me is that I think it's logic after the fact - the loans are here and by comparison, our young players look weaker. To put it another way, if one of Holloway's winless runs coincided with a transfer window where we were allowed to bring in loans of the quality we've seen this season, would we have seen many of the youngsters we now think are so high quality? But these are predominantly footballers who all got extended periods of first team football last season and we were told had big seasons ahead of them. Out of the group mentioned, one is out on loan and the others are now rarely seen outside of cup games. But anyway, it's very early days and maybe this a worry over nothing and that will change. Just 2 points highlighted above that I would comment on. The first is that I wonder how much of a change of tone and direction has actually taken place under McClaren, and how much is it a case of fans perception of the situation, or the actual situation not matching their expectation. The second is that while it is true that Holloway blooded these youngsters at the end of last season - with mixed results - he only really did so once we were safe.
As an example I just look at the team last night - obviously resting some for a big game at the weekend but also giving match time to a whole bunch of younger players - 3 of whom I do not think I had ever heard of or certainly know nothing about. Follow that with McClarens comments about BOS and his future and I do not see that we are far away in terms of attitude from where we were at the end of last season. We have added experience where everyone thought we needed experience and are trying to balance the books by shipping a few out in the last days of his loan window.
Some of the rumours today are strange - Thorn I like but is that a good move unless we swap out Cousins for example. Other rumours are surely clickbait while the stories around Sylla and Washington being moved on are more realistic although I cannot see any immediate obvious takers. I think I will hold fire until September 1st now and re-assess when the loan business is complete and then it will be a question of seeing how the team develops and who plays over the next 10 to 15 games. Having said that I do not see the starting line- ups being much different to last week with the exception of more game time for people like BOS off the bench or when we want to play a wide man.
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 14:18:49 GMT
The original Jerome story from The Mirror. Highly unlikely that it will happen! www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-yaya-toure-13150465Host of Championship clubs after Derby striker JeromeFrank Lampard is ready to offload Derby striker Cameron Jerome and has a clutch of Championship clubs interested, writes James Nursey. Jerome, 32, joined Derby in January from Norwich and scored six times as the Rams missed out on promotion in the play-offs. But the hitman is yet to feature in the Championship this term under Gary Rowett’s successor Lampard. He is one of the big earners at Pride Park and the Rams will listen to offers amid interest from Ipswich, Blackburn, Hull, QPR and Reading. Jerome has been promoted to the Premier League twice with Birmingham and once with Norwich.
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 14:30:55 GMT
Yaya Toure anyone? From football.london. Another click bait story? www.football.london/premier-league/yaya-toure-transfer-news-latest-15085207Arsenal, Fulham, QPR - The London clubs Yaya Toure could potentially join after passing medicalThe midfielder has passed a medical in London and looks set to sign for a new club By Rob Guest 12:12, 29 AUG 2018 Yaya Toure could be set to return to the Premier League very shortly after his agent revealed that he has passed a medical in London. Released by Man City at the end of the season after eight years at the Etihad Stadium, the Ivorian still remains a free agent following the expiration of his contract on July 1. Although the Premier League transfer window slammed shut on August 9 ahead of the new season, teams in the top flight can still add to their squad by signing a free agent providing that they have a free space in their 25-man squad. Clubs had to submit their squads for the new season a day after the transfer window closed, yet selling a player from the submitted 25-man squad can free up a space to bring in a player on a free transfer. However, the free agent must have left his previous club before the closure of the transfer window, as was the case with Toure. Speaking back in May, Dimitry Seluk, the midfielder's agent, revealed that the ex-Barcelona man's intention was to remain in the Premier League. "Yaya is fit and desperate to prove he's still the best central midfielder in the Premier League," he said, as reported by Manchester Evening News. "Ivory Coast will not be in Russia for the World Cup and next season he will be fit, rested and stronger than ever. "He's happy to accept a one-year deal to stay in England. And if his club are not satisfied with his performances, he will pay back half his wages, or the club can cancel his contract immediately, with no compensation." So, with Toure potentially set to get his Premier League career back underway, who could he join? Here we take a look at whether or not he could be heading to the capital in the coming days. Toure previously had a trial during Arsene Wenger's time at the club and played for the Gunners in a pre-season friendly at Barnet in 2003. While his brother Kolo did end up joining Arsenal, Yaya didn't because of an issue with his passport. Fifteen years after last wearing an Arsenal shirt, Toure definitely won't be playing for Unai Emery's side over the course of the season. ChelseaA move to Stamford Bridge looks extremely unlikely with Maurizio Sarri currently having a number of options in the middle of the park. Although Ruben Loftus-Cheek was named on the substitutes' bench at Newcastle United last Sunday, he was absent from the squad against Arsenal a week earlier due to options at Sarri's disposal. The Blues also have Cesc Fabregas to return from injury, while Danny Drinkwater, who has been linked with an exit before the European transfer deadline, is yet to feature this term. Toure could potentially be an option if the ex-Leicester City man leaves, yet that would still be very unlikely given the number of midfielders Sarri has to choose from. Crystal PalaceToure's agent has confirmed that the Ivorian will not be joining Crystal Palace in the coming days. Roy Hodgson has already added to his midfield this summer with the signing of Cheikhou Kouyate from West Ham. FulhamFulham are currently the favourites with the bookmakers to sign Toure. Slavisa Jokanovic has added to his midfield in the summer, including the high-profile arrivals of Jean Michael Seri from Nice and André-Frank Zambo Anguissa. The Premier League newboys have options in the middle of the park and it would be a huge shock if the 35-year-old ended up in west London, especially as Tony Khan doesn't like signing players over the age of 28. SpursCould Toure be in line for a move to Spurs after the club failed to sign anyone this summer? Maurico Pochettino has plenty of options in midfield at present and a move for Toure would come as an enormous shock. Harry Winks has only recently returned from injury, while Victor Wanyama will also be set to make his comeback very shortly after suffering a recurrence of his knee injury in pre-season. Despite talk of Moussa Sissoko heading to Fenerbahce, reports from France suggest that the club do not want to sell him ahead of the European transfer deadline. WatfordA move to the Hornets in the coming days would come as a major surprise. Will Hughes has caught the eye for Javi Gracia's side in the first three Premier League games, while the team do also have Abdoulaye Doucoure and Etienne Capoue in the starting XI at present. Nathaniel Chalobah looks set to return from a long-term knee injury next month, with Tom Cleverley also another midfield option once he recovers from his Achilles injury. West HamToure, who has been heavily linked with a move to the London Stadium, will not be moving to West Ham. The player's agent has stated that it's "100%" not the Hammers who he will be joining. Many had tipped the ex-Barcelona man to head to east London given that former Man City boss Manuel Pellegrini is now in charge of the team. QPR It would come as a major surprise to see the Premier League winner drop down to the Championship.
With Tomer Hemed and Nakhi Wells sealing loan moves to Loftus Road last week, Steve McClaren will be hoping to add to his squad ahead of Friday's deadline.
Initially priced around 50/1 to sign the player, the odds have been dramatically slashed to 6/1 for the midfielder to seal an incredible move to QPR.
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 14:36:35 GMT
From football league world. More click bait?! footballleagueworld.co.uk/hed-be-an-astute-signing-tottenham-player-to-qpr-the-verdict/‘HE’D BE AN ASTUTE SIGNING’ – TOTTENHAM PLAYER TO QPR: THE VERDICTPublished 3 hours ago on 29/08/2018 By Neil R Despite picking up their first points of the season in the Championship and progressing in the League Cup, there is no getting away from the fact that it has been a shocking start to the season for Queens Park Rangers. But Steve McClaren only has a couple of days of the loan window left if he is to bring in any further recruits and perhaps he should look to North London and Spurs for young midfielder Josh Onomah. The attacking midfielder is nowhere near the first-team at Tottenham and a loan move away looks inevitable, so should QPR make a move? Would Onomah be a good fit at Loftus Road? We discuss….. Jay TaylorI would anticipate this would be a solid signing for Steve McClaren’s men. Queens Park Rangers have sorted out their attacking options and still need another defender, and a midfielder or two. The proximity between the Rs and Tottenham would serve as a plus point should the Premier League side allow the youngster to go to Loftus Road. He would surely start games along with Massimo Luongo in the middle of the pitch, and that, on paper, looks like a solid midfield pairing. Gary HutchinsonYes, but I’m not sure they’d get him, would they? QPR do need some fresh faces, Hemed and Wells have given them a lift but that is temporary. McClaren needs class, real class and Onomah could offer that. He might teach Ebere Eze a thing or two as well. I think the player might have his sights set on a move to a stronger Premier League club though. George DaglessYes, he’d be an astute signing. QPR need all the players they can get and Onomah would improve them. They need defensive recruits more than anything but the Spurs winger would also be a good signing for them.
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 14:54:25 GMT
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 14:58:56 GMT
From all Nigeria soccer www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=29069Trabzonspor Join Queens Park Rangers In Race For Tottenham Hotspur Product OduwaPublished: August 29, 2018 Turkish Super Lig club Trabzonspor are the latest team being linked with a swoop for Nigeria U23 international Nathan Oduwu, according to reports in the Turkish media. Yenisafak has claimed that the Tottenham Hotspur product has been proposed to the management of Trabzonspor. Even though the Turkish transfer window will close for business on Friday, August 31, Oduwa could still join Trabzonspor as he has been a free agent since July 22 after mutually terminating his contract with Olimpija Ljubljana before its expiration. Trabzonspor face competition from teams in Italy and England, notably Queens Park Rangers, for the services of the Nigerian youngster. Last week, the 22-year-old featured for Queens Park Rangers in a Professional Development League fixture against Nottingham Forest and looked lively throughout the ninety minutes he spent on the pitch. Oduwa was part of the Dream Team VI squad at the 2016 Suwon Invitational Tournament and has also represented England at U17, U18 and U20 level. Super Eagles assistant captain Eddy Onazi and striker Anthony Nwakaeme are on the books of Trabzonspor.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 29, 2018 15:38:55 GMT
Where on earth do they find these people, bloody hell.
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Post by sharky on Aug 29, 2018 15:47:06 GMT
From Sport Witness sportwitness.co.uk/good-chance-qpr-landing-ligue-1-midfielder-loan-friday/'Good chance' of QPR landing Ligue 1 midfielder on loan before FridayBy Tom Coast - 29th August 2018 With Championship clubs still allowed to bring in players on loan until Friday evening, the next few days could see a bit of activity in the incoming section, and QPR appear to be among those making moves. According to La Dépêche du Midi in France, Steve McClaren’s side are currently looking at the possibility of bringing in Alexis Blin in from Toulouse. They appear to be following in the footsteps of Swansea, who have also turned their attention to the Ligue 1 side, wanting Ola Toivonen to bolster their front line. The French newspaper state there’s a ‘good chance’ that Blin’s loan deal to QPR will take place, allowing him to get the first team football he hadn’t been getting in the south of France. The midfielder hadn’t been training with the first-team recently, meaning an exit was being anticipated before the end of the month. There’s no indication whether or not there’s an option to buy in the deal, but when nothing is mentioned, that normally means it’s just a ‘dry loan’ i.e. Blin will return to Toulouse come the end of the current campaign should he sign for QPR temporarily.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 29, 2018 16:36:56 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2018 11:52:01 GMT
The club are trying to offload Idrissa Sylla and have made Paul Smyth and Conor Washington available for loan moves ahead of Friday’s deadline.
Trying to offload these three then...
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Post by bowranger on Aug 30, 2018 12:22:35 GMT
Just 2 points highlighted above that I would comment on. The first is that I wonder how much of a change of tone and direction has actually taken place under McClaren, and how much is it a case of fans perception of the situation, or the actual situation not matching their expectation. The second is that while it is true that Holloway blooded these youngsters at the end of last season - with mixed results - he only really did so once we were safe.
As an example I just look at the team last night - obviously resting some for a big game at the weekend but also giving match time to a whole bunch of younger players - 3 of whom I do not think I had ever heard of or certainly know nothing about. Follow that with McClarens comments about BOS and his future and I do not see that we are far away in terms of attitude from where we were at the end of last season. We have added experience where everyone thought we needed experience and are trying to balance the books by shipping a few out in the last days of his loan window.
Some of the rumours today are strange - Thorn I like but is that a good move unless we swap out Cousins for example. Other rumours are surely clickbait while the stories around Sylla and Washington being moved on are more realistic although I cannot see any immediate obvious takers. I think I will hold fire until September 1st now and re-assess when the loan business is complete and then it will be a question of seeing how the team develops and who plays over the next 10 to 15 games. Having said that I do not see the starting line- ups being much different to last week with the exception of more game time for people like BOS off the bench or when we want to play a wide man.
The interesting thing is that, like you say, it's very much down to perception. That cup line-up is the first time we've made 11 squad changes since World War II! You can view that as McClaren deliberately giving match time to a big slew of young players and taking a look at them. By the same token (and I err more on this), you can perceive it as the Wigan game demonstrating the preferred first team line-up which includes Eze as the sole youth product, us panicking about an awful start to the season and not wanting to risk an injury to anybody. It would threaten our momentum. To be honest, the reasoning is probably, like most things, bang in the middle somewhere. I think the cup result is a very positive shock and regardless of the reasoning behind it, it's only ended up being a very good thing. I think the piss poor attendance demonstrates as much as anything else how poorly QPR have treated cup competitions in recent years - I'm sure we've all lost count about how many times we've seen us field cup starting 11s of fringe players and youth who've barely ever played together in the same shape and line-up and duly got punished by the likes of Swindon and Northampton. Asides from getting through the round though, which is a shock, the players that played seized their chance. Osayi-Samuel in particular has pushed his way back into McClaren's attention, ditto Kakay. Hamalainen was the only youth product who perhaps looked a bit too 'nice'. So whether it was a calculated look at our kids or our usual white flag and two fingers up to the Carabao Cup as per, it's worked out for the best. As we all know, we send that team out and lose, it's seen as essentially hanging our players out to dry. Some would argue that it's an opportunity to take a proper competitive look at players pushing for a place, whereas just as many people would argue that you can't learn much throwing players into a team that's completely different to the first team because you can't see how they interact and read each other. Not to mention the old arguments about lower quality opposition - a good performance is a good performance but is Osayi-Samuel roasting a very poor Rovers' right back enough for McClaren to think he can do that to Maxime Colin in Birmingham this weekend? Like so much of this, I genuinely do not know where I stand on it, I'm just airing out the various perceptions and arguments haha. I don't think that's really the case about Holloway only integrating younger (and fringe) players once we were safe, though it depends on when you consider safety was assured. Technically, while never closer than 6 points from the relegation zone, we weren't safe until the last few weeks of the season. But if you consider it being a good few months before that (as we probably both do?) he was bringing in young players a good while before that. Smyth scored on his debut on New Year's Day, Oteh scored on his debut a couple of weeks later. Wheeler played and scored back in September 2017, Osayi-Samuel made his debut the same month, Manning was playing and scoring in December 2016 (a month after Ollie's re-appointment). There's other examples, but even the latest one is January 2018 when we were down in 17th - hardly cruising on a wave of safety hubris then? In mitigation though, you could argue some of those changes were enforced rather than calculated, but that kind of brings me back to a point made earlier in the thread. Without the injury crisis hitting our back line under Holloway, who's to say whether Furlong would have got his impressive run in the side? By the same token, if Ollie had the option and brought in someone akin to Angel Rangel as cover, I feel like we'd likely be having the same discussions we are this season. We're near the relegation zone in January, someone like Rangel gives us experience and stability, Furlong is too much of a risk, we need cover in that position let's not blood him too quickly because it could break him... All hypothetical, of course and youngsters can sink or swim. But you remove the outlet and there's no way of telling how it could go. The key difference is that Holloway did not have that option and because of his remit, he had to make do. McClaren, in conjunction with the panic caused by our first four results, does appear to though which is what I mean by the potential change of tact. Like I keep saying though, this isn't me disagreeing as such. I think you (and salts) could very well be right on all this, I'm just pointing out that it can shift with perception and there's a lot of different ways of looking at it. I agree that Hemed and Wells are loan signings in a position where we needed them regardless of the four poor results and regardless of who's in the dug out. The miser in me says we didn't need both but they're both very accomplished at our level and we're very lucky to have them. Both are rusty but they made a night and day difference on Saturday for the better. Hopefully you're correct that having established a bit of platform for ourselves and the strong showing on Tuesday from the youth and fringe players, we'll begin to see more of the likes of Smyth and Osayi-Samuel. Because for all the panic and logic in shoring things up, it doesn't change the fact for me that seeing the likes of them in our team, young players who really want to succeed for us, makes me incredibly happy and makes me feel so much better about handing money over to watch this lot.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 30, 2018 12:35:01 GMT
The club are trying to offload Idrissa Sylla and have made Paul Smyth and Conor Washington available for loan moves ahead of Friday’s deadline. Trying to offload these three then... Weren't we reported to be pulling back on the Smyth move after Portsmouth fell through? I'm assuming this is symptomatic of our finances - it feels very much like that we need to partially shift some wages off our books from the now over-loaded front line in order to fund a centre back on loan, which remains the priority? I'd imagine the preference is for Sylla or Washington to go, but we can only loan out who other clubs want I suppose, so compromises could be made. To steal a point from another messageboard, do you think that weirdly, Sylla would functionally be better to loan out rather than Washington, because of their playing style.? Up top, Hemed can be covered by both Sylla and Smith, so we don't need all of them. However, Washington (regardless of how poorly we rate him) can be used on either side of a front three or as the 'little man' as part of a front two. So he may actually be more useful as cover than Sylla, even though I rate Sylla as a player more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 12:57:27 GMT
Just 2 points highlighted above that I would comment on. The first is that I wonder how much of a change of tone and direction has actually taken place under McClaren, and how much is it a case of fans perception of the situation, or the actual situation not matching their expectation. The second is that while it is true that Holloway blooded these youngsters at the end of last season - with mixed results - he only really did so once we were safe.
As an example I just look at the team last night - obviously resting some for a big game at the weekend but also giving match time to a whole bunch of younger players - 3 of whom I do not think I had ever heard of or certainly know nothing about. Follow that with McClarens comments about BOS and his future and I do not see that we are far away in terms of attitude from where we were at the end of last season. We have added experience where everyone thought we needed experience and are trying to balance the books by shipping a few out in the last days of his loan window.
Some of the rumours today are strange - Thorn I like but is that a good move unless we swap out Cousins for example. Other rumours are surely clickbait while the stories around Sylla and Washington being moved on are more realistic although I cannot see any immediate obvious takers. I think I will hold fire until September 1st now and re-assess when the loan business is complete and then it will be a question of seeing how the team develops and who plays over the next 10 to 15 games. Having said that I do not see the starting line- ups being much different to last week with the exception of more game time for people like BOS off the bench or when we want to play a wide man.
The interesting thing is that, like you say, it's very much down to perception. That cup line-up is the first time we've made 11 squad changes since World War II! You can view that as McClaren deliberately giving match time to a big slew of young players and taking a look at them. By the same token (and I err more on this), you can perceive it as the Wigan game demonstrating the preferred first team line-up which includes Eze as the sole youth product, us panicking about an awful start to the season and not wanting to risk an injury to anybody. It would threaten our momentum. To be honest, the reasoning is probably, like most things, bang in the middle somewhere. I think the cup result is a very positive shock and regardless of the reasoning behind it, it's only ended up being a very good thing. I think the piss poor attendance demonstrates as much as anything else how poorly QPR have treated cup competitions in recent years - I'm sure we've all lost count about how many times we've seen us field cup starting 11s of fringe players and youth who've barely ever played together in the same shape and line-up and duly got punished by the likes of Swindon and Northampton. Asides from getting through the round though, which is a shock, the players that played seized their chance. Osayi-Samuel in particular has pushed his way back into McClaren's attention, ditto Kakay. Hamalainen was the only youth product who perhaps looked a bit too 'nice'. So whether it was a calculated look at our kids or our usual white flag and two fingers up to the Carabao Cup as per, it's worked out for the best. As we all know, we send that team out and lose, it's seen as essentially hanging our players out to dry. Some would argue that it's an opportunity to take a proper competitive look at players pushing for a place, whereas just as many people would argue that you can't learn much throwing players into a team that's completely different to the first team because you can't see how they interact and read each other. Not to mention the old arguments about lower quality opposition - a good performance is a good performance but is Osayi-Samuel roasting a very poor Rovers' right back enough for McClaren to think he can do that to Maxime Colin in Birmingham this weekend? Like so much of this, I genuinely do not know where I stand on it, I'm just airing out the various perceptions and arguments haha. I don't think that's really the case about Holloway only integrating younger (and fringe) players once we were safe, though it depends on when you consider safety was assured. Technically, while never closer than 6 points from the relegation zone, we weren't safe until the last few weeks of the season. But if you consider it being a good few months before that (as we probably both do?) he was bringing in young players a good while before that. Smyth scored on his debut on New Year's Day, Oteh scored on his debut a couple of weeks later. Wheeler played and scored back in September 2017, Osayi-Samuel made his debut the same month, Manning was playing and scoring in December 2016 (a month after Ollie's re-appointment). There's other examples, but even the latest one is January 2018 when we were down in 17th - hardly cruising on a wave of safety hubris then? In mitigation though, you could argue some of those changes were enforced rather than calculated, but that kind of brings me back to a point made earlier in the thread. Without the injury crisis hitting our back line under Holloway, who's to say whether Furlong would have got his impressive run in the side? By the same token, if Ollie had the option and brought in someone akin to Angel Rangel as cover, I feel like we'd likely be having the same discussions we are this season. We're near the relegation zone in January, someone like Rangel gives us experience and stability, Furlong is too much of a risk, we need cover in that position let's not blood him too quickly because it could break him... All hypothetical, of course and youngsters can sink or swim. But you remove the outlet and there's no way of telling how it could go. The key difference is that Holloway did not have that option and because of his remit, he had to make do. McClaren, in conjunction with the panic caused by our first four results, does appear to though which is what I mean by the potential change of tact. Like I keep saying though, this isn't me disagreeing as such. I think you (and salts) could very well be right on all this, I'm just pointing out that it can shift with perception and there's a lot of different ways of looking at it. I agree that Hemed and Wells are loan signings in a position where we needed them regardless of the four poor results and regardless of who's in the dug out. The miser in me says we didn't need both but they're both very accomplished at our level and we're very lucky to have them. Both are rusty but they made a night and day difference on Saturday for the better. Hopefully you're correct that having established a bit of platform for ourselves and the strong showing on Tuesday from the youth and fringe players, we'll begin to see more of the likes of Smyth and Osayi-Samuel. Because for all the panic and logic in shoring things up, it doesn't change the fact for me that seeing the likes of them in our team, young players who really want to succeed for us, makes me incredibly happy and makes me feel so much better about handing money over to watch this lot. All good valid points to add to the equation. The piece I forgot to say yesterday though is that another reason why I think things have not changed so much is that we have only signed one player - a 27 year old CB and the other three are short term loans who likely will be gone at the end of the season. If we had gone and bought players like Hemed and Wells on 3 year contracts then I would be sure that the approach has changed but that was not the case.
I suppose it can be argued that we only went for short term loans because we could not afford to buy anyone - all a guessing game.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 30, 2018 13:06:01 GMT
SSN ELPHICK UPDATE Hull City have made an offer to take Aston Villa defender Tommy Elphick on a season loan. They join QPR in moving for the former Bournemouth centre back. We reported yesterday that the London club had also made an offer. It’s understood Villa are willing to let Elphick leave but will let the player decide. A number of other clubs are monitoring the situation. 13:12 BREAKING NEWS QPR are in talks with Stoke City over the loan signing of defender Geoff Cameron. The R's have endured a tough start to the season with problems in defence and Steve McClaren has been keen to strengthen his options.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 30, 2018 13:08:31 GMT
Another QPR youngster set to join Ainsworth at Wycombe By David McIntyre 30/08/2018
QPR youngster Charlie Fox is set to join Wycombe on loan. The 19-year-old defender is yet to make his senior debut but was among the substitutes for this week’s Carabao Cup game against Bristol Rovers. He has been given the chance to play first-team football at Wycombe, who are managed by former QPR favourite Gareth Ainsworth and took Ebere Eze on loan from Rangers last season. Meanwhile, talks to bring Geoff Cameron to Loftus Road on loan from Stoke are ongoing. A number of possible alternatives, including Aston Villa defender centre-back Tommy Elphick, have been lined up should Cameron be out of Rangers’ reach. The club are trying to offload Idrissa Sylla and have made Paul Smyth and Conor Washington available for loan moves ahead of Friday’s deadline
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Post by harr on Aug 30, 2018 13:36:49 GMT
The club are trying to offload Idrissa Sylla and have made Paul Smyth and Conor Washington available for loan moves ahead of Friday’s deadline. Trying to offload these three then... Weren't we reported to be pulling back on the Smyth move after Portsmouth fell through? I'm assuming this is symptomatic of our finances - it feels very much like that we need to partially shift some wages off our books from the now over-loaded front line in order to fund a centre back on loan, which remains the priority? I'd imagine the preference is for Sylla or Washington to go, but we can only loan out who other clubs want I suppose, so compromises could be made. To steal a point from another messageboard, do you think that weirdly, Sylla would functionally be better to loan out rather than Washington, because of their playing style.? Up top, Hemed can be covered by both Sylla and Smith, so we don't need all of them. However, Washington (regardless of how poorly we rate him) can be used on either side of a front three or as the 'little man' as part of a front two. So he may actually be more useful as cover than Sylla, even though I rate Sylla as a player more. It looks like all three are up for Grabs now, like you say to pay for our two Strikers and incoming players. I would for sure want Sylla out first. As much as Washington don’t score, you can’t help liking the guy, which is why I would be no good as a Football Manager I think it makes sense to let Sylla and Washington go though, would like to have kept Smyth really but understand the Clubs restrictions.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 30, 2018 13:47:09 GMT
Weren't we reported to be pulling back on the Smyth move after Portsmouth fell through? I'm assuming this is symptomatic of our finances - it feels very much like that we need to partially shift some wages off our books from the now over-loaded front line in order to fund a centre back on loan, which remains the priority? I'd imagine the preference is for Sylla or Washington to go, but we can only loan out who other clubs want I suppose, so compromises could be made. To steal a point from another messageboard, do you think that weirdly, Sylla would functionally be better to loan out rather than Washington, because of their playing style.? Up top, Hemed can be covered by both Sylla and Smith, so we don't need all of them. However, Washington (regardless of how poorly we rate him) can be used on either side of a front three or as the 'little man' as part of a front two. So he may actually be more useful as cover than Sylla, even though I rate Sylla as a player more. It looks like all three are up for Grabs now, like you say to pay for our two Strikers and incoming players. I would for sure want Sylla out first. As much as Washington don’t score, you can’t help liking the guy, which is why I would be no good as a Football Manager I think it makes sense to let Sylla and Washington go though, would like to have kept Smyth really but understand the Clubs restrictions. God, same. Washington just cannot buy a goal. Did you see his big chance in the Bristol Rovers game? Slammed the ball, destined for the bottom left corner and big Smith accidentally blocked it off the line. I don't doubt he lacks ability but god, he does get some rotten luck too.
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 14:03:39 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/hull-make-offer-for-aston-villa-defender-as-qpr-focus-on-stoke-manHull move for Elphick as QPR focus on CameronBy West London Sport 30/08/2018 Hull City have made an offer to take defender Tommy Elphick on loan from Aston Villa. The centre-back is among several possible options QPR have discussed should they be unable to sign Geoff Cameron on loan from Stoke. Hull, on the other hand, have made a firm offer to sign him ahead of the loan window closing on Friday. West London Sport revealed on Wednesday that Cameron is wanted by QPR because he can play at both centre-back and central midfield and that possible alternatives, including Elphick, have been identified should Cameron be out of Rangers’ reach.
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 14:11:42 GMT
Anyone seen Yaya Toure walking around Shepherds Bush?!
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 14:30:28 GMT
From Sky Sports. Looks like Cameron is our number 1 target! www.skysports.com/football/news/11701/11485598/qpr-in-loan-talks-with-stoke-for-geoff-cameronQPR in loan talks with Stoke for Geoff CameronBy Sky Sports Last Updated: 30/08/18 1:41pm QPR are in talks with Stoke City over the loan signing of defender Geoff Cameron, according to Sky sources. Rangers kept their first clean sheet of the season against Wigan last Saturday, but had previously conceded 13 goals in their first four games. Cameron spent four years at MLS side Houston Dynamo before joining Stoke in 2012. He has made 168 appearances for Stoke, 21 of those during last season as Stoke suffered relegation to the Championship.
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 14:33:36 GMT
Geoff Cameron's Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_CameronGeoff CameronGeoffrey Scott Cameron (born July 11, 1985) is an American soccer player who plays for Championship side Stoke City and the United States national team. Cameron began playing college soccer with the West Virginia Mountaineers and the Rhode Island Rams, as well as USL Premier Development League side Rhode Island Stingrays, before being drafted by Major League Soccer club Houston Dynamo in 2008. After an impressive second season in professional soccer Cameron was named as MLS Best XI in 2009 and helped Houston reach the final of the MLS Cup in 2011 as they lost 1–0 to the Los Angeles Galaxy. In July 2012 he joined English Premier League side Stoke City. He became a regular starter at Stoke firstly under the management of Tony Pulis and then Mark Hughes.
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 16:00:12 GMT
From the Offie. Charlie Fox off to Wycombe to get some League games in www.qpr.co.uk/news/under-23s-news/charlie-fox-joins-wycombe-on-loan/Charlie Fox joins Wycombe on loanDavid Scriven @dmscriven QPR Under-23s defender Charlie Fox has joined League One side Wycombe Wanderers on loan until January 2019. Fox, 19, will link up with former R’s favourite Gareth Ainsworth’s side at Adams Park to gain first-team experience with the centre-back yet to make his senior R’s debut. The versatile defender was on the bench for Rangers 3-1 Carabao Cup win against Bristol Rovers on Tuesday. Fox has made two appearances so far this season for Paul Hall’s Under-23 side, having turned out on 17 occasions during the 2017/18 campaign, and has been at Rangers since he was eight-years-old. Wycombe, who won promotion last season, are currently 17th in League One after five games.
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Post by sharky on Aug 30, 2018 16:04:18 GMT
....and from Wycombe's Offie www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/news/2018/august/charlie-fox-arrives-on-loan-from-qpr/Charlie Fox arrives on loan from QPRDefender pens deal until January. Wanderers have added extra defensive cover to their squad ahead of the transfer deadline on Friday, signing QPR youngster Charlie Fox on a loan deal until January. The left-sided defender played twice for the Chairboys as a trialist in pre-season, having signed his first professional contract with the Rs in the summer. Wycombe boss Gareth Ainsworth said: “Games have been coming thick and fast and with Darius Charles and Adam El-Abd both spending time in the treatment room lately, it will help to have Charlie available to cover when we need him. “He’s another young talent on QPR’s books and we’re looking forward to working with him, developing his game in a first-team environment, and hopefully playing an important part at the start of his career as we have done with a number of other youngsters who’ve come to us on loan.”
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 30, 2018 17:40:12 GMT
Stoke's Cameron on his way until January, according to ESPN and NBC Sports:
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Post by Marc on Aug 31, 2018 9:32:31 GMT
Conor Washington's contract terminated by mutual consent!
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 31, 2018 9:38:12 GMT
Good luck to him. But that's a lot of money wasted by QPR
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Post by bowranger on Aug 31, 2018 9:39:10 GMT
Conor Washington's contract terminated by mutual consent! Ooo yeah, up on the offish: www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/striker-conor-washington-departs-loftus-road/I guess if we need the wages off the books now and he was out of contract come the summer, it works out best for both the club and Washington (presuming he didn't have a sniff around the first team). Least now it means he can look for a deal somewhere as a free agent and we've got a little more wage leeway for a CB loan. I know he could be infuriating with his chances and just wasn't up to standard in the end but still feel sorry for him. Not like he didn't try. Best of luck to him.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 31, 2018 9:46:10 GMT
Good luck to him. But that's a lot of money wasted by QPR It's a shame it turned out that way, he had a good record and looked a decent signing at the time. Peterborough have a bit of a weird habit of producing decent looking strikers who they sell for good money who either don't manage the step-up or excel. On the failure side, Washington with us, Mackail-Smith failing at Brighton (now playing at Wycombe), Aaron McClean at Hull. On the other hand, Britt Assombalonga and Dwight Gayle. Common feature is them all being sold for a big, big profit. Barry Fry still an expert at bringing the cash in!
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Post by terryb on Aug 31, 2018 9:46:42 GMT
Best of luck to Connor.
I liked him, but was eventually forced to accept that he wasn't good at converting chances for us.
In the past, if more gifted players had worked half as much as Connor, we would remember them with more affection!
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