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Post by Marc on Sept 17, 2018 14:45:52 GMT
Bow, Rangel isn't loan so Swansea won't have any say.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 17, 2018 15:43:36 GMT
Bow, Rangel isn't loan so Swansea won't have any say. Thanks, edited - short term deal as a free agent until January. Point stands, though .
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Post by Roller on Sept 17, 2018 19:25:02 GMT
On Rangel, my take is if Furlong and Kakay are both fit by that point then having a 35 year old RB on subsidised wages is an extravagance that makes little sense. It pushes Kakay back further at the expense of a loanee and Furlong's done nothing to suggest he can't play that role in the first team. I don't buy Furlong's injuries being a 'habit'. I'd get it if he was de facto injury prone and his injuries were related but they aren't. For example, Grant Hall's injury setbacks are different aggrevations of the same core injury, which isn't the case with Furlong - he just got injured, thems the risks. Agree on Cameron, I can't see that making sense beyond a loan. He's ostensibly here because he has the double role of providing cover for Scowen (now Manning's gone on loan) and filling in at CB when required. Either via Hall or a signing next summer, the CB issue needs to be fixed permanently going forward rather than band-aiding it as we are now. On the strikers, it depends on what this new loan policy is. If we just panicked after the poor start, then I'd imagine we'd be trying again to sign a new striker having off-loaded Sylla and/or Smith in the Summer on a permanent basis. Oteh's progression isn't going to come anywhere near the first team seeing as we've subtracted one (Washington) but added two (Wells and Hemed) layers ahead of him. Unless he starts featuring on the bench before Christmas, I'd imagine we'd pack him off on loan in January if we can and then assess in the Summer break. If the loans signal a change in direction (small squad, topped up by higher quality loans like the old Pulis method) we could end up doing the same thing with a different version of Hemed and Wells for next season. Too far in the future to really tell, really. As I've said before, it doesn't necessarily need to be a "young team". It's just that those young players were playing as part of a more experienced side, were scoring and now they are not. They had decent levels of integration under Holloway and we were not struggling then. It's not a dichotomy of playing with experienced loans or playing the kids, it's about a balance and that balance has tipped towards the former now. It seems like post-event logic, to me, where because we've got some good quality older heads in on loan our youngsters have gone from exciting young prospects for this season to needing to be wrapped up in oodles of cotton wool or sent off on loan. As almost always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. And our response ain't in the middle. But it's happened now and we're winning games, so I'm not complaining. I'm just weary about the future and the changing messages. Goss - I just have no idea. I've not rated what I've seen, he's barely featured and he went down in my estimation when he refused to go on loan to League One before finally spending a few months at Glasgow Rangers. I don't really see how it fits into this team in the near future. This is sort of the text for my column in the next issue of AKUTRs - out on Wednesday, don't forget to buy your copy! This season we are receiving the same parachute payment as last season, but don't have the wages of Caulker, Onuoha, Robinson and Smithies to cover. That gives us a little breathing space and the opportunity to make these loan signings; I don't see them being repeated next season when the parachute payments are gone. I thought that we'd use this season to get a bit ahead of FFP as next season could be very, very tough.
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Post by harr on Sept 17, 2018 20:19:19 GMT
I think the signing of Rangel has shown it to be justified, bit of experience after Onuoha and Perch went. Remember how well Ryan Nielsen slotted in when he joined, was about our best signing amongst some rubbish ones. Since he and the two loan Strikers come in we look a much better balanced team with seven out of nine points and conceded one goal in three. Kakay wasn’t quite ready in my opinion. We give youth a good chance now at QPR but you have to get the timing right, maybe next summer he will have developed that bit more.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 19, 2018 7:50:45 GMT
We could always get one of the 40 that Chelski have out on loan, plus their 30 man squad. How the hell can their club afford that?
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Post by eusebio13 on Sept 19, 2018 13:20:56 GMT
I think the signing of Rangel has shown it to be justified, bit of experience after Onuoha and Perch went. Remember how well Ryan Nielsen slotted in when he joined, was about our best signing amongst some rubbish ones. Since he and the two loan Strikers come in we look a much better balanced team with seven out of nine points and conceded one goal in three. Kakay wasn’t quite ready in my opinion. We give youth a good chance now at QPR but you have to get the timing right, maybe next summer he will have developed that bit more. I know you're not saying this Harr but to those who are, I think it's a little unfair to blame our issues on Kakay. Only seen him play on a tv or a few minutes as a sub live but he looked a decent player and good to have him coming up behind Furlong who will probably be seen as a saleable asset. Saying that always thought highly of Rangel, and we have a proud tradition of players seemingly at the end of their careers who gave great service from McLintock to Hill. From my corner of South America, I think the strikers and Lumley have made the biggest impact on our fortunes. In the end the new (old) philosophy of develop and sell, needs players like Kakay to push on and for once I take an interest now when we sign a Spurs reject on a 1-year contract because I know from those players will actually come our stars of the future.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 13:39:55 GMT
We could always get one of the 40 that Chelski have out on loan, plus their 30 man squad. How the hell can their club afford that? That's the point - they do not pay for it.
The following is an over simplification to save typing but on the right lines of what I think happens. They sign 70 players from all over Europe and therefore have a far higher chance of getting a couple who will develop through as superstars. Having signed 70 they send 40 out on lengthy loans paid for by the clubs who take them so those 40 cost Chelsea nothing or in a few cases they even make money on loan fees.
Then if the players work out really well they are welcomed back to Chelsea's 30 man squad or sold for big fees after a few games, if they work out averagely well their loans are turned into sales, or if they do not work out their contracts run down and they go for free but without costing Chelsea anything.
That is exactly the sort of activity I believe the FIFA rule is trying to stop .....but I bet the big clubs will find another way round it.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 19, 2018 15:30:21 GMT
That is exactly the sort of activity I believe the FIFA rule is trying to stop .....but I bet the big clubs will find another way round it. Like insidiously buying lower league feeder clubs...
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Post by harr on Sept 19, 2018 15:42:09 GMT
I think the signing of Rangel has shown it to be justified, bit of experience after Onuoha and Perch went. Remember how well Ryan Nielsen slotted in when he joined, was about our best signing amongst some rubbish ones. Since he and the two loan Strikers come in we look a much better balanced team with seven out of nine points and conceded one goal in three. Kakay wasn’t quite ready in my opinion. We give youth a good chance now at QPR but you have to get the timing right, maybe next summer he will have developed that bit more. I know you're not saying this Harr but to those who are, I think it's a little unfair to blame our issues on Kakay. Only seen him play on a tv or a few minutes as a sub live but he looked a decent player and good to have him coming up behind Furlong who will probably be seen as a saleable asset. Saying that always thought highly of Rangel, and we have a proud tradition of players seemingly at the end of their careers who gave great service from McLintock to Hill. From my corner of South America, I think the strikers and Lumley have made the biggest impact on our fortunes. In the end the new (old) philosophy of develop and sell, needs players like Kakay to push on and for once I take an interest now when we sign a Spurs reject on a 1-year contract because I know from those players will actually come our stars of the future. No Eus your right, I’m not blaming him at all. I think he will be a great player for us in the 1st eleven probably playing week in week out some day but just didn’t feel it was the right move to put the extra pressure on him this year. It is imperative we don’t go down this year, or any year I guess. But imagine the extra pressure on the defenders after we had lost the way we did in the first four matches, and that extra pressure I would rather had on a old head like Rangel than on Kakay. His time will come for sure as will Mannings just not in 2018.
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 20, 2018 10:47:08 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 21, 2018 6:52:30 GMT
League 1 or League 2 or even A League and he will score goals, but NOT at Championship level.
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Post by Marc on Sept 21, 2018 9:08:24 GMT
I do feel sorry for the lad. I think it's a confidence issue and his move to another championship side was a baffling one. Should have gone to a league 1 team, would be banging in the goals for fun. Can only assume that he was thinking of the money, christ knows what Sheffield United were thinking!
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Post by bowranger on Sept 21, 2018 9:45:20 GMT
I do feel sorry for the lad. I think it's a confidence issue and his move to another championship side was a baffling one. Should have gone to a league 1 team, would be banging in the goals for fun. Can only assume that he was thinking of the money, christ knows what Sheffield United were thinking! Same really, he plays like his confidence is in the loo. My assumption was that Wilder saw something in him and could get him firing and was relatively low-risk on a free. Even when Washington's confidence was low, he's always been a slow starter - even at the Posh, he wasn't scoring regularly for his first few months at least before he hit his stride. Wilder doesn't seem a bad judge of player and knows the league below well, so it could end up working out. But as we've been saying, it really seems like League One is where he'd be better off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 9:58:57 GMT
I do feel sorry for the lad. I think it's a confidence issue and his move to another championship side was a baffling one. Should have gone to a league 1 team, would be banging in the goals for fun. Can only assume that he was thinking of the money, christ knows what Sheffield United were thinking! Quite right -no need to kick a man when he is down. This just goes to show though that maybe we are not the only club who makes the odd mistake in the transfer market but then again he may start to bang in a few goals, regain his confidence and prove everyone wrong. I think things started to go downhill for him when we asked him to either play upfront on his own or out wide - neither of which fitted his abilities.
If he does not come good, he is only on a one year contract and I fear his reputation will be so low he may then struggle to even find a league one club. I never really rated him and did not support his signing so I feel we may also be partly to blame for his downfall.
The strange thing is that most fans loved Mackie because he always put in some effort and never stopped running but his goal return was even lower than Washington's. Washington was similar in his approach and effort, both were played out of position, but the majority of fans really never got behind him as they did with Mackie.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 21, 2018 11:01:18 GMT
I do feel sorry for the lad. I think it's a confidence issue and his move to another championship side was a baffling one. Should have gone to a league 1 team, would be banging in the goals for fun. Can only assume that he was thinking of the money, christ knows what Sheffield United were thinking! Quite right -no need to kick a man when he is down. This just goes to show though that maybe we are not the only club who makes the odd mistake in the transfer market but then again he may start to bang in a few goals, regain his confidence and prove everyone wrong. I think things started to go downhill for him when we asked him to either play upfront on his own or out wide - neither of which fitted his abilities.
If he does not come good, he is only on a one year contract and I fear his reputation will be so low he may then struggle to even find a league one club. I never really rated him and did not support his signing so I feel we may also be partly to blame for his downfall.
The strange thing is that most fans loved Mackie because he always put in some effort and never stopped running but his goal return was even lower than Washington's. Washington was similar in his approach and effort, both were played out of position, but the majority of fans really never got behind him as they did with Mackie.
Yeah, I think the way we played him didn't help. He was never a lone striker, seemed baffling when we played him that way. I certainly got it wrong but thought he looked a half-decent signing at the time - I was guardedly optimistic. Good age, decent record in the league below, international caps etc. Seemed the right 'sort' that we should have been looking at. As with anyone from the league below, you can get gems, you can get people who manage the step up and you get people who don't cut it. With the Mackie point, I think his personality and impact was a bit different. He's always been rambunctious and loud, whereas Washington had more of a kinda...niggling, workmanlike way about him. Worked hard but in a different way. As an aside, when we beat Wolves at home, my Wolves supporting mate was full of praise for him - asking about our little bastard of a striker and how quick he was! I think what Mackie had in his locker was his obsession with lost causes. He'd charge after balls most people would ignore - often to no effect (but we all loved it anyway). But there were plenty of occasions where he crafted chances out of absolutely nothing through sheer bloody-mindedness and graft. Add in the iconic goals (Derby away, Liverpool at home etc.) and it's a different thing. But I agree in principle - both never hid, both always gave 100% but one was loved and one was largely disliked.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Sept 21, 2018 23:06:10 GMT
I think Washington is a full back.
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Post by sharky on Oct 18, 2018 13:15:10 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-to-sign-former-derby-county-striker-and-former-watford-defenderQPR set to sign youngsters Walker and RowanBy David McIntyre 18/10/2018 QPR are set to sign youngsters Lewis Walker and Charlie Rowan. Forward Walker and centre-back Rowan have both been on trial with the club. They have been offered one-year deals and will initially play for Rangers’ development side. Walker, the 19-year-old son of former England international Des Walker, has been looking for a club since leaving Derby County during the summer. He joined the Rams from non-League side Ilkeston in January 2016 but did not make a first-team appearance during his time at Pride Park and in August his contract was terminated by mutual agreement. Rowan, 20, left Watford during the summer and has since spent time with Italian club Torino. He too is yet to make his senior debut, having not made a first-team appearance for the Hornets or during a loan spell at Accrington Stanley.
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Post by rangerjake on Dec 11, 2018 20:53:57 GMT
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Post by nomar on Dec 12, 2018 5:49:42 GMT
Surprised this hasn't been jumped on by Rangers fans en-masse yet! It's unlikely to happen by the looks of it though, just media speculation.
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Post by egranger on Dec 12, 2018 14:15:19 GMT
Surprised this hasn't been jumped on by Rangers fans en-masse yet! It's unlikely to happen by the looks of it though, just media speculation. We have Eze now but for a few seasons he was a great entertainer for the Rangers
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jan 4, 2019 10:11:21 GMT
Sylla on his way? From HITC (not always the most reliable)...
EDIT: Now also being reported by WLS
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Post by Marc on Jan 4, 2019 11:33:53 GMT
Sylla on his way? From HITC (not always the most reliable)... EDIT: Now also being reported by WLS So this frees up space to bring in Adel? I'll get me coat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 12:05:42 GMT
Sylla will always be a mystery to me. With 18 goals from 27 league starts (although some came from his sub appearances) you would think we should be talking of him in the 10 to 15 million pound class. Maybe his apparent "lazy" approach, maybe unwillingness to chase and work for the team, maybe communication problems, maybe a bad attitude which may have been partly a result of being mucked around by Ollie, maybe not suited to our current system, maybe could not settle in the UK. I suppose we will never know why he did not work out but I saw him before he joined us and would describe him as a goal poacher who would disappear for large parts of the game but could turn it on its head in 2 minutes. We saw a few glimpses of that but probably not enough. Good luck to him anyway and I expect he will be better off and maybe start knocking in the goals again at his old club.
Putting Adel to one side (as far away as possible) I wonder if this will end up being just a cost cut. Looking ahead it would be good if it gives the opportunity to bring in an up and coming striker (if we can find one) and give him half a season to settle in and learn from the experienced ones. I expect the chances to retain Hemed and Wells next season are remote financially although Wells has hinted he would like to stay. So now would be a good time to add someone before we hit a summer window where we will be priced out if we are desperate for replacements.
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Post by Marc on Jan 5, 2019 17:57:50 GMT
So Sylla's gone. Undisclosed fee according to QPR, free according to WLS.
I take it we can now bring someone (on a free) in to replace him?
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Post by Roller on Jan 5, 2019 19:44:32 GMT
So Sylla's gone. Undisclosed fee according to QPR, free according to WLS. I take it we can now bring someone (on a free) in to replace him? Yes, free transfer, no agent's fees and 75% of Sylla's wages. Good luck finding one that will be worthwhile.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Jan 5, 2019 21:06:04 GMT
can we make a loan signing in the window now Sylla has gone?
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 8, 2019 17:37:41 GMT
Well we have to pay Manning's wages now anyway. Given the restraints - it is pretty unlikely. Meanwhile here is the list of players out of contract in June. We have the longest list with the exception of Sheff. Wednesday & Swansea www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/every-championship-player-out-contract-15646945according to transfermarket.co.uk. Aston Villa Mark Bunn Tommy Elphick Alan Hutton Mile Jedinak Jordan Lyden Micah Richards Jed Steer Glenn Whelan Birmingham City Tomasz Kuszczak Michael Morrison Dan Scarr Viv Solomon-Otabor Blackburn Rovers Craig Conway Paul Downing Ben Gladwin Sam Hart Jayson Leutwiler Jack Rodwell Willem Tomlinson Bolton Wanderers Mark Beevers Will Buckley Clayton Donaldson Jack Hobbs Mark Little Craig Noone Jake Turner Josh Vela David Wheater Marc Wilson Brentford Yoann Barbet Alan Judge Lewis MacLeod Josh McEachran Moses Odubajo Bristol City Frank Fielding Niki Maenpaa Callum O’Dowda Eros Pisano Matty Taylor Bailey Wright (option to extend to 2020) Derby County Craig Bryson Jacob Butterfield David Nugent Tom Huddlestone (option to extend to 2020) Bradley Johnson Joe Ledley Marcus Olsson Alex Pearce Kelle Roos Hull City Fraizer Campbell Evandro Markus Henriksen Will Keane David Marshall Ondrej Mazuch Robbie McKenzie James Weir Ipswich Town Tom Adeyemi (option to extend to 2020) Teddy Bishop Luke Chambers Myles Kenlock Jonas Knudsen Jordan Spence Grant Ward Middlesbrough Stewart Downing Grant Leadbitter Millwall Jordan Archer Tom Elliott Shane Ferguson Lee Gregory Jem Karacan (expires in January) Conor McLaughlin Aiden O’Brien Ryan Tunnicliffe Norwich City Todd Cantwell Timm Klose Ivo Pinto Nottingham Forest Danny Fox Juan Fuentes Stephen Henderson Jamie Ward Preston North End Andy Boyle Paul Gallagher Michael Howard Tommy Spurr Calum Woods QPR Alex Baptiste Jake Bidwell Jordan Cousins Grant Hall Niko Hamalainen Joel Lynch Charlie Owens Angel Rangel Olamide Shodipo Paul Smyth Idrissa Sylla Pawel Wszolek Reading David Edwards Anssi Jaakkola Paul McShane John O’Shea Rotherham Alex Bray Anthony Forde Akeem Hinds Michael Ihiekwe Joe Mattock Joe Newell Darren Potter Jon Taylor Will Vaulks Sheffield United Billy Sharp Paul Coutts Martin Cranie (expires January 31) Harvey Gilmour David McGoldrick Conor Washington Sheffield Wednesday Almen Abdi George Boyd Fredrik Fisker Nielsen Gary Hooper David Jones Kieran Lee Marco Matias Connor O’Grady Fraser Preston Daniel Pudil Keiren Westwood Stoke City Charlie Adam Ibrahim Afellay Peter Crouch Darren Fletcher Jakob Haugaard Swansea City Wilfried Bony (option of another year) Leroy Fer Adam King Luciano Narsingh Martin Olsson Wayne Routledge Mike van der Hoorn West Brom Gareth Barry Chris Brunt Rekeem Harper James Morrison Boaz Myhill Bakary Sako Wigan Athletic Alex Bruce Nathan Byrne Jamie Jones Shaun MacDonald Gavin Massey Callum McManaman
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Post by Roller on Jan 8, 2019 19:43:01 GMT
QPR Alex Baptiste Jake Bidwell Jordan Cousins Grant Hall Niko Hamalainen Joel Lynch Charlie Owens Angel Rangel Olamide Shodipo Paul Smyth Idrissa Sylla Pawel Wszolek I'm pretty sure that we have the option of a further year on Wszolek's contract and I think on Smyth's too.
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Post by egranger on Jan 8, 2019 23:03:19 GMT
At least Lumley, Furlong, Luonga, Freeman and Eze are not on that list - I was more worried last summer losing our captain and longest serving defender.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 9, 2019 12:11:48 GMT
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