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Post by rangerjake on Dec 10, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
I actually think we should keep Ollie, at least until the end of the season. They play really hard for him but they just aren't good enough especially up front, and it's not like we ever get a new manager bounce. It would just make things worse in my opinion to sack him.
That said he is not a long term solution and so I would like to throw a suggestion out there and see what people think.
Paul Tisdale from Exeter.
He's been there for over 10 years now but he's only 44 so tons of experience, but still young. Only twice in those 11 years has he paid a transfer fee so he knows how to work with no budget which is key and he consistently has them punching above their weight. I've seen interviews with him and he seems like a smart, level headed guy. Exeter are in the playoffs spots right now but have begun to struggle after a strong start and it wouldn't surprise me if he was ready to move on. No matter how good or successful you are after a while it gets stale and it's time to move on.
Just a thought...discuss.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Dec 10, 2017 23:09:12 GMT
Yes its a Big 6 Pointer for QPR and Ollie at Birmingham we need a win. we have Defenders coming back so the does help the cause.But we do need to start scoring GOALS which has been the problem all season. 4-3-3 3-4-3. Re Paul Tisdale that is a big jump up to the Championship, this League is a League for Experienced Managers ie Neil Warnock.
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Post by rangerjake on Dec 11, 2017 3:03:15 GMT
Warnock is great but last I checked there's only one of him and he's at another club. On top of that he can't coach forever, there has to be someone else out there.
Maybe Ainsworth? But he's no different then Tisdale except that he hasn't been at it as long and he has QPR roots.
On the other hand if you hired him for next season you could bring him back with Eze who he will have had a whole season with, might know how to get the best out of him.
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Post by kenthoop on Dec 11, 2017 16:29:13 GMT
wow thats a turnabout rangersjake on your previous post on the qprv Leeds thread did you not say utter crap Holloway has to go ,toothless ,drivel ,and now you say he has to stay ,tell me as i am interested to know what brought about your change of mind ?
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Post by rangersman on Dec 11, 2017 20:11:08 GMT
No that was me ha ha
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Post by rangerjake on Dec 12, 2017 0:06:15 GMT
Yea, not me mate.
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Post by rangerjake on Dec 12, 2017 0:33:24 GMT
How about this English bloke who’s coaching in Sweden, Graham Potter. Has ‘em in the Europa League and getting a lot of good pub.
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Post by terryb on Dec 12, 2017 9:56:40 GMT
Yes its a Big 6 Pointer for QPR and Ollie at Birmingham we need a win. we have Defenders coming back so the does help the cause.But we do need to start scoring GOALS which has been the problem all season. 4-3-3 3-4-3. Re Paul Tisdale that is a big jump up to the Championship, this League is a League for Experienced Managers ie Neil Warnock. Tisdale has far more experience than Ollie or Gerry Francis had when we first appointed them. I hadn't thought about him, but IF we were to go after a new manager I wouldn't object to him. I don't want to change mid season though.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 12, 2017 10:22:18 GMT
Isn't he too "small scale" for Tony F et al
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Post by kenthoop on Dec 12, 2017 11:03:56 GMT
i apologise rangerjake got user name mixed up
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Post by kenthoop on Dec 12, 2017 11:05:11 GMT
well rangersman i address the same comments to you !
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Post by harr on Dec 12, 2017 13:53:19 GMT
Isn't he too "small scale" for Tony F et al Well he started off with Warnock to Hughes then to Rednapp, then he found "The Ideal Man" Ramsey before settling for JFH before Holloway so im not sure any Manager in the top 3 or 4 Divisions would not be considered if it ever came up.
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Post by harr on Dec 12, 2017 13:54:16 GMT
In fact I think Warnock was in place prior to TF, my memory is not so good now
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Post by londonranger on Dec 12, 2017 14:50:15 GMT
Warnock took us up, and fired for Mark Hughes, who had been fired by Fulham I believe.
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Post by harr on Dec 12, 2017 14:58:19 GMT
What if we didnt fire Warnock back in Jan 2012...... Do you ever wonder where we would be.... The season that we started off too well, what was it 12 points from our first 7 games with Everton and Wolves away wins. Would he have kept us up? Would we still be up there ? Would we be in League One? You just never know? Where's my email though
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Post by wrenboy61 on Dec 12, 2017 16:34:42 GMT
There's a lot of selective memory when it come to Warnock!
Yes he did a fantastic job getting us promoted but we didn't play well from after Christmas 2010 but thankfully the teams around us couldn't take advantage of our poor performances.
The start of the Premier League season (apart from the odd game especially Chelsea at home) was not the greatest and we were struggling against the teams who we were going to be competing against in our mini league at the bottom. Pressure was building on Warnock with the new owners in place and anyone who was at MK Dons for the 3rd round FA Cup game at the start of January knew the writing was on the wall! Sitting there listening to the QPR fans around me I could tell the fans had turned against him because by now the performances really hadn't been good for a year.
Warnock was unlucky that Fernandes didn't take over until the August and so was only given the transfer budget of Briatore and Ecclestone and so his close season transfers were just decent Championship players and not the Premier League quality he needed.
As they say "hindsight is a wonderful thing" but knowing what I know now and all the management disasters we've had since, I wish we had given Warnock a bit longer!
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Post by londonranger on Dec 12, 2017 18:41:52 GMT
Of course, on can agree in hindsight. But the "iceman" Heidar Hendrickson, got us a lot of points with his head, but then retired at end of season. So who knows. Impossible to predict the future, let alone the past.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 12, 2017 18:55:02 GMT
It was Heidar Hellguson. Correct post, we cannot predict the future and we cannot change the past.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 12, 2017 18:55:35 GMT
We need a DREAM MANAGER
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Post by blatantfowl on Dec 12, 2017 19:12:06 GMT
It was Heidar Hellguson. Correct post, we cannot predict the future and we cannot change the past. Sorry to be a pedant but it is spelt Heiðar Helguson and he didn't retire, he went to Cardiff (which some people might say is the same thing). Other than that, you're spot on!
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Post by harr on Dec 12, 2017 23:04:59 GMT
There's a lot of selective memory when it come to Warnock! Yes he did a fantastic job getting us promoted but we didn't play well from after Christmas 2010 but thankfully the teams around us couldn't take advantage of our poor performances. The start of the Premier League season (apart from the odd game especially Chelsea at home) was not the greatest and we were struggling against the teams who we were going to be competing against in our mini league at the bottom. Pressure was building on Warnock with the new owners in place and anyone who was at MK Dons for the 3rd round FA Cup game at the start of January knew the writing was on the wall! Sitting there listening to the QPR fans around me I could tell the fans had turned against him because by now the performances really hadn't been good for a year. Warnock was unlucky that Fernandes didn't take over until the August and so was only given the transfer budget of Briatore and Ecclestone and so his close season transfers were just decent Championship players and not the Premier League quality he needed. As they say "hindsight is a wonderful thing" but knowing what I know now and all the management disasters we've had since, I wish we had given Warnock a bit longer! Are you talking the year we got promoted. We had something like 25 clean sheets with Paddy Kenny in goal, our defence has never been as good or addressed ever since. That alone was a Club record and something to be proud of. We still managed 86 or 88 points or whatever it was, thats a good total to me, considering Stoke got promoted in the top two to the Prem with 69 points a year or so previous.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 13, 2017 8:41:09 GMT
How about this English bloke who’s coaching in Sweden, Graham Potter. Has ‘em in the Europa League and getting a lot of good pub. I read that article on him in the Guardian and his story in Sweden sounds really interesting. Does sound a bit like he's come into a situation where both he and the chairman there seem absolutely made for eachother so I guess it's hard to tell how that could translate to the Championship. Is a broader interesting question though when you've got people like Potter tearing up trees in Sweden but Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew et al keep being shortlisted for every job going.
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Post by harr on Dec 13, 2017 10:48:04 GMT
Well there are still some decent Managers out there. Hull just got Adkins he is an ok Manager in this League.
The one I really wanted after JFH was Rowett, I think we tried and failed real shame that was.
How Birmingham ever let him go when in the top Eight, then appointed Zola who nearly got them relegated. I wonder what Blues fans think of that move and where they are now .
I mean I like the next man expect us to be doing ok, I wouldnt ever want a Manager removed like Rowett was at Birmingham or Clement at Derby when they were 8 th and 5 th respectiviely, that was crazier beyond belief.
If we did go down, what a mess it would look like for TF and Co, taking us over in the Prem, getting so much wrong and about 6 years on two divisions lower. Im sure he wont want that on his CV.
I know the Club says that wont replace Ollie but watch that change if we go as low as 22nd.
Praying for a win at Birmingham for the players and Ollie but deep down expect them to beat us comfortably and that would be another huge blow.
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Post by sharky on Dec 14, 2017 8:46:59 GMT
Warnock was fired after a series of losses culminating in a loss to MK Dons. After that game he looked a defeated broken man. If we'd kept him we would have been completely stuffed IMO
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 14, 2017 23:07:16 GMT
Didn't Hughes not sign a new contract at Foolham because he felt that they had not offered him enough for himself and or for transfers??
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Post by sharky on Dec 15, 2017 3:13:53 GMT
Didn't Hughes not sign a new contract at Foolham because he felt that they had not offered him enough for himself and or for transfers?? My memory was that he wanted to go to a club with bigger ambition. QPR fitted that bill but he totally stuffed it up!
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Post by harr on Dec 15, 2017 8:47:49 GMT
Warnock was fired after a series of losses culminating in a loss to MK Dons. After that game he looked a defeated broken man. If we'd kept him we would have been completely stuffed IMO Possibly but we will never know. We definitely overachieved in our first 7 games getting about 12 points. Hindsights a great thing though. I think he was fired when in 17th place, which I guess is where we need to be 4 months later. But your right he was on a terrible run for about 10 games or so , a bit like Holloway now on his third horrid run in a year
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Post by londonranger on Dec 15, 2017 14:25:35 GMT
Can you think of a manager who would really want to come to QPR, considering the mess that they are right now.
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Post by harr on Dec 15, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
Can you think of a manager who would really want to come to QPR, considering the mess that they are right now. You would be suprised, quite a few. I'm not saying they are people we would want but there wouldnt be a shortage of candidates Harry.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 15, 2017 19:59:39 GMT
They wouldn't be anyone we would want IMO and theres no money for more players, so lets leave it where it is. If we go down we go down. We will be circling the drain whoever manages.
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