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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:19:37 GMT
Normal reception has resumed. Play the 2nd team and get beaten by lower league team. I'm not surprised. Disappointed yes, but not surprised! Oh yes, and why did we play the 2nd team? Because the game v Huddersfield is more important and it's our 4th in 2 weeks so we needed to rest players at some time. The Cup game is the obvious one. Rest players yes , rest ten players NO although Chery did play 7 mins and Luongo about 15
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:21:41 GMT
Normal reception has resumed. Play the 2nd team and get beaten by lower league team. I'm not surprised. Disappointed yes, but not surprised! Oh yes, and why did we play the 2nd team? Because the game v Huddersfield is more important and it's our 4th in 2 weeks so we needed to rest players at some time. The Cup game is the obvious one. We get that. But just for once some of us wanted a different ending to the script. Even sh*te players are capable of raising their game sometimes. Why can't it be our sh*te players that do it, for a change? Maybe because sadly , alot of them are Not good enough . Out of the 10 that replaced people how many could you say you would swap, either none or one at a push.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 25, 2015 22:24:38 GMT
Thanks Mark. Well said, really saddens me to read your report. Could we have beaten ANY team, Pub League type. Gasworks type?
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:27:25 GMT
Thanks Mark. Well said, really saddens me to read your report. Could we have beaten ANY team, Pub League type. Gasworks type? Yes for sure London , the one we had our first summer friendly with
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Post by Markqpr on Aug 25, 2015 22:36:31 GMT
Maybe because sadly , alot of them are Not good enough . Out of the 10 that replaced people how many could you say you would swap, either none or one at a push. Doughty, Kpewekwa, Grego-Cox and Furlong are usually a lot better than they were tonight and are worth a place on the bench. JET was alright tonight, played some nice balls in and around the box but for such a big fella doesn't offer much in the tackle and is easily shrugged off the ball. Again worth a place on the bench. Once Austin goes we're fu(ked up front unless we get someone else in and if Phillips goes and Ramses plays Hoilett ever again, then god knows what I'll do. I'm hoping Ramses just used tonight as a fact finding mission, i.e.: in which of those players could step up, but if he did then the facts are not looking good.
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:39:11 GMT
Stupid comment from IAN TAYLOR get your facts right Bar one ot two same team to Yeovil no Phillips started, Gladwin started , Onouha started , Green Started , Perch Started , Hall Started Tonight just Hall started . Stupid statement from media man , absolutely untrue not one or two.
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:43:10 GMT
Maybe because sadly , alot of them are Not good enough . Out of the 10 that replaced people how many could you say you would swap, either none or one at a push. Doughty, Kpewekwa, Grego-Cox and Furlong are usually a lot better than they were tonight and are worth a place on the bench. JET was alright tonight, played some nice balls in and around the box but for such a big fella doesn't offer much in the tackle and is easily shrugged off the ball. Again worth a place on the bench. Once Austin goes we're fu(ked up front unless we get someone else in and if Phillips goes and Ramses plays Hoilett ever again, then god knows what I'll do. I'm hoping Ramses just used tonight as a fact finding mission, i.e.: in which of those players could step up, but if he did then the facts are not looking good. Good comments Mark thanks. I think your right, not many can step up to a team thats a top half Championship to difference of being a bottom end Championship team. We need very good replacements for Charlie or Phillips or we are actually in a worse mess than I thought . On tonights showing Furlong or Grego Cox are not Championship players yet ?
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:50:37 GMT
Right Im off to bed in a bad mood . All I can say is Ramsey better go to Huddersfield and get a result now to even try to justify a miniscule amount that dire team selection and performance tonight. Onwards and all that ..... UR s
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 22:55:47 GMT
Naa dont blame the kids Chris , blame yourself for playing too many in the same team ......clowns team . Dont just blame Hoilett, what about that Gobern you signed him and JET and Poulter, they werent exactly fantastic tonight were they #bangaverage After reading those comments from CR I sadly find myself having very little confidence that things actually will turn out reasonable this year and we finish in the top half.? .
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Post by Dufster on Aug 25, 2015 23:04:33 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 25, 2015 23:10:15 GMT
Re the 2nd tweet. Er, yeah Ian ten . Need rotation, so Ramsey rotates practically whole team with a team that just aint good enough . Surprise suprise, result beaten by Div 2 team .
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Post by londonranger on Aug 26, 2015 1:21:23 GMT
This is to Harr. and anyone else, despite managers you mentioned. We have lost 8 out of 11 years to teams from lower divisions, in the League Cup.Regardless of who was playing, its that losers mentality, we can't shake.
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Post by kenthoop on Aug 26, 2015 6:10:32 GMT
Normal reception has resumed. Play the 2nd team and get beaten by lower league team. I'm not surprised. Disappointed yes, but not surprised! Oh yes, and why did we play the 2nd team? Because the game v Huddersfield is more important and it's our 4th in 2 weeks so we needed to rest players at some time. The Cup game is the obvious one. at last someone speaking sense , nothing more to say
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Post by paulmason on Aug 26, 2015 6:33:28 GMT
Unless we loose of course, what then? If there is the slightest hint West Brom or someone else want Phillips or Austin, they wont play, so that means two that played last night will.
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Post by nomar on Aug 26, 2015 7:22:02 GMT
I think people are generally aware of the deficiencies in our young players
When Harry was here people were fed up of watching highly paid aged pro's, who should have known better, settle for going through the motions every week (or in some cases not going through any motions at all).
The call for the kids was mainly because they'd rather have lost with a team of triers than lose with a bunch of stiffs who couldn't care less.
This season most of those overpaid wasters are gone and we have young, hungry players in the first team now. But that doesn't mean there's no room for good experienced pros' who want to put in the work.
The most glaring issue is replacing Phillips and especially Austin if they go next week.
Its clear Polter and JET ain't the answer no matter how much the board would like to hope and believe it is.
At this point I think it needs to be Gayle replacing Charlie, or Nakhi Wells.
Rumours suggest West Brom will go for Charlie once the inevitable Berahino sale goes through, so its not like we can do a striker swap with them.
But based on last night, if Charlie isn't replaced by a proven striker at this level we're screwed big time.
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Post by harr on Aug 26, 2015 7:34:51 GMT
This is to Harr. and anyone else, despite managers you mentioned. We have lost 8 out of 11 years to teams from lower divisions, in the League Cup.Regardless of who was playing, its that losers mentality, we can't shake. Yes its a dreadful list London I fully agree with you there. My only real huge gripe with the club, if I had the time this morning and went through all those previous defeats . I know deep down that with none of them, we would have made the crazy decision of resting 10 players from the the previous league game. We may have rested 4,5,6 or even possibly 7 but not 10. My point being Harry that if those other 3-4 started we would PROBABLY have won that game and Ramsey if he had any sense should have realised that. Then what does he do, when he brings Comley on for that dreadful effort of a player Gobern. I wouldnt play Gobern in the u21 side he looks so poor. Anyhow, its done now. IMO like Nomar said, Ramsey had the ideal oppurtunity to get QPR FC in the last 32 , keep the winning mentality and keep the supporters happy with a Cup run and he threw it all away. In doing so, lost a fair bit of credibility that he was starting to get in the process too .
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 26, 2015 7:41:08 GMT
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Post by paulmason on Aug 26, 2015 7:52:44 GMT
You could not make it up. I have always said that Ramsey was like a gift that keeps on giving to his doubters and just when he was winning people over, he has a brain fart.....
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Post by bp on Aug 26, 2015 8:00:16 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 26, 2015 8:04:23 GMT
How to Beat Carlisle... (7 Years ago Today...) To repost from QPR Report when last played Carlisle - Aug 13, 2008 Cup: QPR Face Club That Gave Us Stan Bowles- It's QPR vs Carlisle at Loftus Road, the week of August 25. See Full Cup Draw [Just to note that QPR beat Carlisle 2-1 in the Quarter Final of the League Cup in 1967! Carlisle famous for QPR fans as the place from where Stan Bowles came - and also Paul Murray] Carlisle Official Site - QPR IN ROUND TWO Carlisle United have been drawn to face QPR at Loftus Road in the second-round of the Carling Cup following their first-round success at the New Meadow on Tuesday night. We'll bring reaction to the draw later. Ties to be played week commencing 25 August 2008. Carlisle - Carlisle's First Team Squad QPR Official Site - R'S HOST CARLISLE Iain Dowie's QPR have been drawn at home to Carlisle United in the Second Round of the Carling Cup. Following their 3-2 victory at Swindon on Tuesday evening, the R's play host to the Blues, who overcame Shrewsbury 1-0 in the opening round thanks to a Peter Murphy goal. It has been nearly 14 years since Rangers played Carlisle - ironically the fixture occurred in the same round of the same competition, back in 1994. Played over two legs, the R's won 3-0 on aggregate, winning their home tie 2-0. The match will be played week commencing 25th August. QPR August 2008 - QPR 4 Carlisle 0 QPR 4-0 Carlisle QPR striker Emmanuel Ledesma hit a hat-trick to book his side a spot in the third round of the Carling Cup at the expense of Carlisle. The home side took the lead after 48 minutes when Damion Stewart headed firmly in from a Ledesma corner. Ledesma then met a Gavin Mahon ball, darted into the area and produced a neat finish for QPR's second. Ledesma collected Samuel Di Carmine's pass and fired in before slotting in late on for his third. QPR: Cerny, Ramage, Stewart, Connolly, Delaney (Gorkss 68), Ledesma, Rowlands, Mahon (Bolder 68), Cook, Di Carmine (Balanta 70), Parejo. Subs Not Used: Camp, Alberti, Ephraim, Ainsworth. Booked: Delaney. Goals: Stewart 48, Ledesma 56, 63, 85. Carlisle: Williams, Raven, Livesey, Murphy, Horwood, Taylor, Bridge-Wilkinson, Thirlwell, Hackney (Jeff Smith 72), Bridges (Grant Smith 74), Madine. Subs Not Used: Howarth, Graham, Carlton, Keogh, Campion. Att: 8,021 Ref: Keith Hill (Hertfordshire). news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/league_cup/7576403.stm
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Post by harr on Aug 26, 2015 8:24:34 GMT
We have a decent first 11 We have no depth in most areas.
Sadly quite a few of the youngsters are still not good enough. Yet Players like Gobern will never be good enough. Poulter and Jet need to improve a hell of a lot if they are going to score reasonable amounts of goals but I dont see either of them being this at this early stage of the season.
So if Charlie goes we have Poulter, JET and Reece, on paper looks a bottom half of championship strike force at this particular moment in time.
Thats just my view, everyone else may see differently .
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Post by kilburnhoop on Aug 26, 2015 8:46:33 GMT
I was looking forward to the game last night, watching the youngsters. Have to say i thought they did okay in the circumsatnces and tired badly in the second half. They set up exactly as the first team which is a positive. Thought Hoilett actually put a good shift in and would have had two goals if not for two good saves. Hall had another solid game, JET done okay in patches and Kep could probably do a job in the first team.(keeper looks small! tony roberts!). Our youth setup was very poor for years, but now they are moving in the right direction. The most disappointing aspect of last night was a small ninority booing at the end of the game. There were a lot of kids out there some making their home debut. Go home and kick the cat but don't boo players so young. I don't get the negativity regarding team selection, 10 changes from sat. The first team played Wed and sat. No way were they going to play 3 games in 7 days. Forget promotion we need a good start and the league is the obvious priority. As for missing out on Liverpool away There has been a lot said about Austin and Philips leaving. They may well stay. If they go i think it is bleedin obvious where we need to strengthen. I know it has been a frustrating time for the ramsey knockers but you had your moment last night, enjoy
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Post by steveb66 on Aug 26, 2015 9:08:09 GMT
Quite frankly, despite a reasonable start to the League campaign, the thought of Austin and Phillips leaving sends shivers down my spine.
With them we have a really good chance of a decent season and a top six finish without them we are less than average. Because history constantly has a habit of repeating itself at QPR I have a bad feeling about the final day of the transfer window.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 26, 2015 9:11:39 GMT
I somehow doubt that IF Phillips and Austin stay, they'll have a great season. They won't be happy at still being in the Championship and I think their performances will show - especially Phillips...
If the money is "reinvested" in the team - and reinvested wisely (Now and Jan) - That's 20 million pounds
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Post by rangerray on Aug 26, 2015 9:24:43 GMT
The BBC statistics show we had 22 shots of which 8 were on target, can someone tell me were they poor shots or good saves as they imply we did better than the result.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 26, 2015 9:37:38 GMT
I somehow doubt that IF Phillips and Austin stay, they'll have a great season. They won't be happy at still being in the Championship and I think their performances will show - especially Phillips... If the money is "reinvested" in the team - and reinvested wisely (Now and Jan) - That's 20 million pounds How much of that £20M will be spent on Leon Best? Our only hope is Charlie goes to Palace and we get Gayle + £M's in return. I really think we wont the money and wont invest in another striker, especially when when we have JET, Polter, Mackie, Grego-Cox, Blackwood and only playing one up front.
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Post by bp on Aug 26, 2015 9:42:03 GMT
I keep banging on about this to Dufster and my son. I know you don't need or in a lot of cases want people working at the club who are die hard fans but it can and has been the making of the club on occasions. Myself excluded from that remark. DOF, Les, a local boy from the Bush who supports Spuds. I know finances tie hands with what can be achieved but. He has been here for how long and has achieved what as the DOF? Gobern, Polter, JET, Zarate with Chery being an exception. Let's not even get into players that have left or will be leaving. I assume as DOF it is part of his remit. But when your specific job is to go out and get players to suit our needs, well I'm sure someone will tell me how wrong I am about 'Sir' Les. Coach CR, Les' mate and apparently a great coach? I've never met the man and from what I have seen and heard I am certain he is as nice a man as you would ever wish to meet, but I find it odd that everyone agrees what a great coach he is because it has not IMHO shown up on matchday. Charlie has been banging in goals for years and our defence has been leaking goals for years. I'm sure someone will tell me how wrong I am about Chris. I know the players names I question above are new and lets hope raw talent that we can improve but having just come down and with consolidation in mind and with the benefit of parachute payments, sales of players and windfall from Sterling would it be anyone else's way of stabilising the club on the playing field? Communications Manager or director or whatever. Could it be more obvious, nice chap that he appears to be, that his knowledge of our club is not exactly limitless? For a Comms Mgr he knows how to rub fans up the wrong way. All of the above type characters we have had before and in this I am going pre Italia, Tango and the midget. Successful coaches have always had some affinity with the club or had at their shoulder somebody who was QPR. When Phil Harris [Naarwuch fan] ran the communications department it could have as easily been Bushman permeating QPR to the masses. Pinky [Palarse fan] fronting sales and when the club could pay for it making kits etc' available that we all wanted to buy. They had people like Devo, Jim Frayling, Sheila Marson, Geraldine Field, Terry Springett, a list of QPR people to ask and get advice from. Go and check out the huge QPR directory now and after a cursory glance I can only see a relative handful of QPR people in the long list, Andy Evans, Tino, Steve Gallen, Kat Doyle, Jenny Elliot and Julie Newman. Extreme apologies to hopefully lots that I have missed or don't personally know. FFP is going to get thrown out there now. I think for this point I am willing to believe the club when we keep hearing that either they will fight this, especially given the recent changes of regulations but also on the basis of free trade, how can anyone justify fines against us. I know it's eufa/fifa so anything goes but on the basis they are correct the Bosman ruling will have to be annulled and the transfer window. I'm all for rules but if as we are continually brainwashed into believing we are in a free society, it's TF and Co who can choose to spend what ever they like on anything [legal]. Why are'nt the authorities pre-empting future arguments by telling West Ham how much they will be fined each year that they play at that new ground. A ground that should have, if rules were to be obeyed, been Orients. A ground that they have been grossly, estimates are well over half a BILLION, subsidised by the tax payers to get and will continue to be subsidised by the tax payers in the future. I'm digressing from the point I was trying to get across. The club is and some will say inevitably losing its connection to the fans and what we have all been going down to that virtual garden shed for decades to support. Stop the BS, stop CR and LF talking when it isn't helping the club. How much has Hoillets value gone down to any prospective fool silly enough to go out and buy him following CRs statement. How many clubs have rubbed their hands when we've come knocking when LF states what even the cooks cat knows 'we are in desperate need of a striker if Charlie goes'. Go out and get as many reliable defenders as is possible before the window closes and at least a like for like replacement for Charlie as we all know he will be gone. For how many seasons has everybody with a hole in their &5se been pleading for good defenders rather than yet another midfielder who we wont be able to play because we already have 27 of them. Stop bleating about letting in 2 goals a game and do the job you LF/CR are extremely well paid to do. Blue touch paper lit, now standing well back
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Post by bowranger on Aug 26, 2015 9:47:48 GMT
Last night was crap - I was there, I saw it - really poor. Created a lot of chances in the first half and fluffed almost all of them. Players who looked like world-beaters at Yeovil looked pretty poor. Normal service for QPR at home in this competition.
But it's the League Cup innit. We're almost always uniformly crap in it and have been for years, we can't seem to shake it. We were crap in this cup under Warnock when we were playing fantastic football in the league and got promoted. We were crap in the cup under Redknapp in the season we got promoted again. Don't know why we're so poor in the league cup but most of the time we just are - presumably a combination of a lack of squad depth, not taking the competition particularly seriously and coming up against lower league opposition who see us as a scalp and play out of their skins. Lots of clubs in our division (and the other week) suffered the same fate to lower league opposition.
My favourite thing about all this with QPR fans online (and I'll get pelters for this probably but almost always the loudest seem to be people listening on the radio without even seeing what it is they are shouting with sheer certainty about) is that after the 0-3 Yeovil win, it's all about caution, can't judge too much from it, it's the cup etc. etc. but if we lose people smash the panic button. Fortunately, less so on here than on other places, which is partly why I like this MB. But yeah, bloody hell we are a fickle lot. That performance could have been a league cup performance at LR from anytime in the last 20 years, frankly - barely distinguishable from eachother. It's not good enough and I think clubs of our size should treat it seriously cos frankly barely any of the bigger clubs do and we actually have a real chance of going on a run in the competition. But unfortunately, we've been crap in the League Cup for YEARS. And more importantly, how crap we've been in the League Cup has not been much of an indication for how we'll actually do in the league.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 26, 2015 10:43:54 GMT
All summer you and others (pro Ramsey) have been telling me and others (anti Ramsey) to wait and see what happens when TF and CR get their own players, and especially wait to see how the kids do.
As I posted on another thread, take Hill and Toilett out of last nights team, and it is very much Ramsey's and Ferdinand's. Hall, Smithies, Polter, Jet, Goeben, Cherry and Luongo are all his signings and the others, were the kids they thought were good enough. He even said that team last night could actually play a Championship fixture!
After two great wins, and getting people to warm to him, Ramsey then plays Jedi mind tricks by picking a team that would struggle to beat your local dog and duck pub team.
If we loose to Huddersfield on Saturday, after surrendering a home banker last night, he deserves what he gets for his error of judgement last night.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 26, 2015 11:03:57 GMT
All summer you and others (pro Ramsey) have been telling me and others (anti Ramsey) to wait and see what happens when TF and CR get their own players, and especially wait to see how the kids do. As I posted on another thread, take Hill and Toilett out of last nights team, and it is very much Ramsey's and Ferdinand's. Hall, Smithies, Polter, Jet, Goeben, Cherry and Luongo are all his signings and the others, were the kids they thought were good enough. He even said that team last night could actually play a Championship fixture! After two great wins, and getting people to warm to him, Ramsey then plays Jedi mind tricks by picking a team that would struggle to beat your local dog and duck pub team. If we loose to Huddersfield on Saturday, after surrendering a home banker last night, he deserves what he gets for his error of judgement last night. You were pretty supportive the other day of me saying that it's really lazy and not fair/accurate to polarise this debate into pro/anti Ramsey and now you're doing it here? Don't think it's a useful or accurate way of framing this. For what it's worth, whilst I'd have liked to have seen a more settled team go out last night, I can understand why a lot of players were rested. And we're always crap in the cup. Redknapp got pelters for not playing youth in the cup and we got promoted. Warnock got pelters for going out of the cup early to lower league opposition and got pelters for it, and we were playing superb football in the league that season. Ramsey plays youth/fringe players in a cup competition and gets pelters. The broad conclusion being that league cup performances seem to exist in some kind of weird QPR vortex with barely any basis on league form. I'd rather we won because it builds momentum and positivity and it potentially highlights our weaknesses if top players move on and we don't end up replacing them in the transfer or loan window. But these games historically seem to give us little real insight into how we'll do this season.
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