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Post by Macmoish on Jul 11, 2015 9:57:46 GMT
aka the other hand, I think back to us signing the likes of Lee Charles and Goodridge
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2015 10:12:59 GMT
You would have thought you would have learnt your lesson about being so high and mighty, from the shirt design threads. But I guess it's jist your nature. High & Mighty?? FFS, do you have some sort of mental illness we should be made aware of? Evey time I challenge anything you say, you have to make it personal. I'm either high & mighty or telling people they're wrong and, in the case of another poster, telling people what to think! Now, I asked you a couple of questions in my previous post (god knows how that's high & mighty), perhaps you'd do me the basic courtesy of answering them. I'm guessing not as that would be akin to entering into a debate with someone who holds a different opinion to you.
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Post by harr on Jul 11, 2015 10:33:28 GMT
Is that a different strategy to what Hughes & Redknapp sold to Fernandes that he fell for? One that cost millions in achieving failure? It may be that the difference now is that Uncle Tone is being told what policy to adopt by his superiors, rather that wasting £180 million of Tune money. TF is not the man in charge. He was never the man behind the money & thos epeople no longer have the same trust in him. Har, Charlie Austin was playing at the 5th level of non-league football in the Wessex League when Swindon signed him. Many players score that many goals in a season at that level. Most are also Sunday Morning players as they are not deemed good enough to be on contract (as Mings wasn't when he signed for Ipswich). This is not an on the spur signing. He has been trialed & studied in great detail. It may not work. It may be the best signing the club has ever made. What I do hope is that the club have checked that he is entitalled to reside & be employed in this country! Have just read he was born in the UK so even Rangers shouldn't be able to mess that up! Roller, I do expect at least four of the touring party to be gone before September, but how exciting it would be if Grego-Cox & Blackwood performed as younger players in Allen & Goddard did in 79-80! Come to that, score 50% of what those two did & in thirty years time our remaining supporters would still be referring to them! I like this pre-season. It is the first one for decades that we seem to be looking beyond the next transfer window1 Austin would have been a gamble to Swindon but nonetheless they were playing in Division One and Two then for a Championship Club even a bigger gamble that he will be good enough. Dont get me wrong, great we are looking and buying youth but if we keep this up to the end of the window and do not get the experience in the side that will be lowt when the others go,we will be bottom half side imo. I know Ramsey was a youth coach but we dont want to go to having 11 youth players playing.
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Post by sharky on Jul 11, 2015 11:38:32 GMT
Fabs using mental illness to put someone down is not only disrespectful to those people unfortunate to suffer from mental ill health through no fault of their own, it stigmatises those people and their families affected by mental illness.
Unacceptable mate, unacceptable
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2015 12:23:59 GMT
Fabs using mental illness to put someone down is not only disrespectful to those people unfortunate to suffer from mental ill health through no fault of their own, it stigmatises those people and their families affected by mental illness. Unacceptable mate, unacceptable Seriously??? Anything else you want to be offend on someone else's behalf about whilst you're here?
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Post by sharky on Jul 11, 2015 12:26:44 GMT
Grow some balls. Pick on me but not on those suffering from mental illness you dill
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2015 12:28:51 GMT
Grow some balls. Pick on me but not on those suffering from mental illness you dill And along comes the name calling. I didn't pick on anyone suffering from mental illness, earn to read!
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 11, 2015 12:31:54 GMT
You would have thought you would have learnt your lesson about being so high and mighty, from the shirt design threads. But I guess it's jist your nature. High & Mighty?? FFS, do you have some sort of mental illness we should be made aware of? Evey time I challenge anything you say, you have to make it personal. I'm either high & mighty or telling people they're wrong and, in the case of another poster, telling people what to think! Now, I asked you a couple of questions in my previous post (god knows how that's high & mighty), perhaps you'd do me the basic courtesy of answering them. I'm guessing not as that would be akin to entering into a debate with someone who holds a different opinion to you. So demanding of answers ... take a prozac ffs
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 11, 2015 12:38:22 GMT
Not putting Tyler down but if he went down the education route that's a great excuse for not being good enough at a younger age to make the grade. I suppose if Cock Ramsey can give this guy 6 1st team appearances before Jan and sell him for 1mill then he and Les would be doing their jobs and come out stinking of roses.
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Post by Marc on Jul 11, 2015 12:48:59 GMT
High & Mighty?? FFS, do you have some sort of mental illness we should be made aware of? Evey time I challenge anything you say, you have to make it personal. I'm either high & mighty or telling people they're wrong and, in the case of another poster, telling people what to think! Now, I asked you a couple of questions in my previous post (god knows how that's high & mighty), perhaps you'd do me the basic courtesy of answering them. I'm guessing not as that would be akin to entering into a debate with someone who holds a different opinion to you. So demanding of answers ... take a prozac ffs I'm sorry. Did't I try to enter into debate on this messageboard and expect people to show some courtesy and answer any questions I ask as par of that debate? Silly me, I should have just joined in all the slagging off with everyone else! You worked out when Hoillett played instead of Isla yet? o? Didn't think so
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 11, 2015 13:41:31 GMT
Please: everyone be nice...The new season (pre-season) kicks off today Onwards and upwarss
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Post by harr on Jul 11, 2015 14:07:40 GMT
I guess we wont make any more signings now until we offload some.
The longer we leave it the messier it will get.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jul 11, 2015 15:32:49 GMT
Whats all the fuss about?. This guy has been signed because he has shown potential. He has said himself his goal this season is to get a first team game. Fact is, no one on here inc myself hasn't the slightest clue how he will turn out!.
The usual suspects at work again, boring!!
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jul 11, 2015 15:34:46 GMT
Please: everyone be nice...The new season (pre-season) kicks off today Onwards and upwarss mac have you got a smiley with a handbag
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Post by nomar on Jul 11, 2015 17:07:38 GMT
Whats all the fuss about?. This guy has been signed because he has shown potential. He has said himself his goal this season is to get a first team game. Fact is, no one on here inc myself hasn't the slightest clue how he will turn out!. The usual suspects at work again, boring!! So much this.
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Post by harr on Jul 11, 2015 18:37:17 GMT
Its all good signing youngsters, if you dont try you wont get any gems. Hopefully they wont all end like Donaldson.
I just want to see a couple of quality, experienced players signed now though, someone that can replace the five that are going.
Appreciate this might not happen for a few days until outgoings are done though.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 11, 2015 20:00:54 GMT
This thread shows exactly why in getting sick of messageboards.
The guy scored 6 goals on trial, you can't argue with those stats and deserves his contract. Added on, he'll be on low wages and it's only one year. What's the problem?
And I fail to see how in gods earth completing a signing that's been on the cards for about 2 months now shows anything about our other transfer targets....
Deary me, some on here I think genuinely get excited by having things to attack Ramsey and Les with. These same people will be the first to start the Ramsey out campaign when we lose a few games and we're mid table.....
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Post by Roller on Jul 11, 2015 20:13:01 GMT
Blackwood has gone to Italy with the 21s. I think that should answer those who think he has been signed to fill Austin's boots. Disappointed that Petrasso is there and not with the first team though....
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Post by harr on Jul 11, 2015 20:25:28 GMT
I thought Petrasso would be going places two years ago but he seems to have just stood still ? Has he progressed of late
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 11, 2015 22:03:12 GMT
Anyone know how Luonga looked?
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 12, 2015 2:37:27 GMT
This thread shows exactly why in getting sick of messageboards. The guy scored 6 goals on trial, you can't argue with those stats and deserves his contract. Added on, he'll be on low wages and it's only one year. What's the problem? And I fail to see how in gods earth completing a signing that's been on the cards for about 2 months now shows anything about our other transfer targets.... Deary me, some on here I think genuinely get excited by having things to attack Ramsey and Les with. These same people will be the first to start the Ramsey out campaign when we lose a few games and we're mid table..... You are right and he deserves a contract for effort and goals scored but he's not being touted as Austins strike partner or a replacement for 3rd choice season long loan Vargas. We'll see...
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Post by bowranger on Jul 13, 2015 11:55:14 GMT
You have missed the point....... Again les Ferdinand was reported at the kit launch, saying we had some top targets, with lots of experiance and it was a matter of getting them over the line. I jokingly said a little while ago we were now dining from the happy menu at McDees, which people scoffed at. In reality, we are actually dining from the reduced isle at Poindland. So how is this signing an indicator of those top targets not being interested? Did he say we'd only be signing those top targets? See this is what I don't get about this - I don't get see why different types of signings have to be mutually exclusive? Why is taking a punt on a year long deal on a young trialist proof that we aren't potentially bringing in any 'top targets' as well? There's obviously a limit to how many we can bring in and ship out but why is this signing definitive proof we're "dining from the reduced isle at Poindland"? If you saw me in Poundland one day and then saw me walking out of a Waitrose the week after the world wouldn't collapse, I'm probably just going different places for different purposes - clubs do the same thing. I think we're shoddily ran (though feel there's some good signs of improvements) and will have a dig at the club as much as anyone but this stuff just comes across a bit nit-picky sometimes. Edit: And I know people get het up about all this but there's no need to chuck mental illness about like that, very poor taste.
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Post by paulmason on Jul 13, 2015 12:47:20 GMT
So how is this signing an indicator of those top targets not being interested? Did he say we'd only be signing those top targets? See this is what I don't get about this - I don't get see why different types of signings have to be mutually exclusive? Why is taking a punt on a year long deal on a young trialist proof that we aren't potentially bringing in any 'top targets' as well? There's obviously a limit to how many we can bring in and ship out but why is this signing definitive proof we're "dining from the reduced isle at Poindland"? If you saw me in Poundland one day and then saw me walking out of a Waitrose the week after the world wouldn't collapse, I'm probably just going different places for different purposes - clubs do the same thing. I think we're shoddily ran (though feel there's some good signs of improvements) and will have a dig at the club as much as anyone but this stuff just comes across a bit nit-picky sometimes. Edit: And I know people get het up about all this but there's no need to chuck mental illness about like that, very poor taste. That's a fair. I don't think there will be a top striker coming for the following reasons: 1: We are not paying top money any more, for players or wages. 2: All they second tier top strikers are tied up, already moved or in talks (maybe with us, who knows) 3: We are not an attractive option this season. We now have four strikers, JET, Poltier, Mackie and Blackwood. Add to these Grego-Cox and as far as numbers are concerned, we have enough. I think we may have wanted someone else, failed and thats why he was signed. Les also said recently, their priory is now the defense. IMO, Our only hope is getting a trade or loan agreement as part of the Austin / Phillips or Fer deal. Otherwise we will be fishing around league 1 and 2 or taking players from clubs (Spurs) after they have announced their 25 until Christmas. I am more than happy to accept if I have called something wrong and will as when it happens, but I believe we are in for a tough time this season, because Les and Ramsey sold it this way, so they got the jobs.
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Post by nomar on Jul 13, 2015 13:21:53 GMT
The last 2 Championship winners bought strikers from Coventry City and Fleetwood Town.
Both are now Internationally capped players.
Where is this rule that you can only succeed in the Prem by paying big money and wages to big name strikers?
I suspect if Ramsey had gone out and bought Jamie Vardy in 2012 or Callum Wilson in 2014 this and other QPR boards would be full of people moaning about lack of ambition, club being sold down the river and how instant relegation was inevitable.
As it turned out both were far better buys than Fulham who paid a Premier League fee for a recognised Championship goalscorer and got nowhere near even sniffing the playoffs.
Why not just wait and see how these guys perform first before immediately dismissing them as trash and incapable of performing to a high level in the Championship?
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Post by bowranger on Jul 13, 2015 13:36:06 GMT
See this is what I don't get about this - I don't get see why different types of signings have to be mutually exclusive? Why is taking a punt on a year long deal on a young trialist proof that we aren't potentially bringing in any 'top targets' as well? There's obviously a limit to how many we can bring in and ship out but why is this signing definitive proof we're "dining from the reduced isle at Poindland"? If you saw me in Poundland one day and then saw me walking out of a Waitrose the week after the world wouldn't collapse, I'm probably just going different places for different purposes - clubs do the same thing. I think we're shoddily ran (though feel there's some good signs of improvements) and will have a dig at the club as much as anyone but this stuff just comes across a bit nit-picky sometimes. Edit: And I know people get het up about all this but there's no need to chuck mental illness about like that, very poor taste. That's a fair. I don't think there will be a top striker coming for the following reasons: 1: We are not paying top money any more, for players or wages. 2: All they second tier top strikers are tied up, already moved or in talks (maybe with us, who knows) 3: We are not an attractive option this season. We now have four strikers, JET, Poltier, Mackie and Blackwood. Add to these Grego-Cox and as far as numbers are concerned, we have enough. I think we may have wanted someone else, failed and thats why he was signed. Les also said recently, their priory is now the defense. IMO, Our only hope is getting a trade or loan agreement as part of the Austin / Phillips or Fer deal. Otherwise we will be fishing around league 1 and 2 or taking players from clubs (Spurs) after they have announced their 25 until Christmas. I am more than happy to accept if I have called something wrong and will as when it happens, but I believe we are in for a tough time this season, because Les and Ramsey sold it this way, so they got the jobs. Ah see I thought you meant it in a more general sense - as in, because we are making signings like Blackwood we are therefore not looking to make 'top signings' in any/all positions. Don't dispute those 3 bullet points really in terms of it looking increasingly unlikely that we'll be bringing in another striker. For what it's worth, I think it looks a promising, if maybe limited, Championship level strike force and think it's for the best we aren't paying the top money, just because of the howling mess we made of our finances over the last few years. But beyond that, there's lots of success stories of lower league players and/or those from abroad prospering at this level and pushing on - I don't think recruiting in the way we have been is anything to be sniffed at really. There are risks involved - but I feel more comfortable rolling the dice on players we've scouted and picked up from the lower leagues than our more recent track record of investing heavily in players who are supposed to have "been there, done that". If we stay up and have managed to put a dent in the levels of debt and recapture more of a sense of our club, I'll take that really. I'd like to think we'd have some hopefully attractive loan options opening up when that market gets going again - being in London seems to often put us in a decent enough position for that. Certainly don't dispute we're in for a tough time this season - though I think, on paper at least, we've got the core parts of a squad that should keep us in the division - although that's basically my expectations for next season anyway so I'm not too fussed by expectations being set at that level (see how I feel when the actual results come in though haha, probably be a different emotional story).
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 13, 2015 16:16:49 GMT
Blackwood scored a very good goal in the opening 50 seconds of the U21 game.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 13, 2015 16:21:21 GMT
Added a second in the 12th minute, very nice turn and smooth finish into the bottom corner from the edge of the box. Got talent for sure
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 13, 2015 16:32:21 GMT
Make that a hattrick for him now
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 13, 2015 16:43:23 GMT
4th for Blackwood, looks a real talent 5th for him now after scoring an unreal overhead bicycle kick
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 13, 2015 18:08:22 GMT
Suppose we'll have to see how he goes against higher league opposition.
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