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Sandro
Jun 15, 2015 22:17:07 GMT
Post by harr on Jun 15, 2015 22:17:07 GMT
The Sun article says we cant currently Sign Non EU players while this situation goes on ?
I never knew that ?
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Sandro
Jun 15, 2015 22:40:21 GMT
Post by harr on Jun 15, 2015 22:40:21 GMT
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Sandro
Jun 15, 2015 22:44:44 GMT
Post by harr on Jun 15, 2015 22:44:44 GMT
So basically if Ramsey had kept us up' we would have lost points and been relegated anyway , because a few of the clowns at our place still cant sort out the paperwork like they couldnt with Ale. This isnt rocket science, common sense it has to be renewed. Hopefully the Club will announce something but dont hold my breath, will try to brush under carpet.
These fundamental basic errors are half the reason other Clubs see us as a joke and want us to fail time after time.
I really hope the Sun have got this wrong and its just bull.
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Sandro
Jun 15, 2015 23:33:02 GMT
Post by timewaster on Jun 15, 2015 23:33:02 GMT
only at QPR
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Post by FloridaR on Jun 16, 2015 2:22:10 GMT
Perfect way for Sandro to get out of his contract.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 4:32:00 GMT
Post by corndog on Jun 16, 2015 4:32:00 GMT
So we won't get a transfer fee for Sandro, but we get him out of contract? I have mixed feelings on this, but I bet they would just loan him out and then he would leave on a free when he contract expires.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 5:40:06 GMT
Post by Roller on Jun 16, 2015 5:40:06 GMT
Whatever we may feel about the competence of our club, Sandro did play for Spurs in the Europa League last season; I can't see them playing him without a work permit. Don't the FA check work permits when overseas players are transferred? I can't see this being an "all season" problem as stated in The Sun. I'll file that along with their "15 Point Deduction" headline. That doesn't mean that we are not guilty of woeful administration though. Again. Personally I'd be happy to see Sandro stay next season once the paperwork is sorted and if there is a decent chance of him staying fit. I thought we looked far more solid with him on the field. We held our own against Arsenal until he went off and I though he played well against Spurs amongst other matches.
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Post by harr on Jun 16, 2015 6:53:16 GMT
Maybe this is why Beard was booted out ?
If we dont get a fee we basically lose 7-8 Million.
In the context of things, all good work we did with 20% on Sterling sale might be lost by this and the money wasted on this stupid error a loan player that didnt play(zarate)
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 7:31:06 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jun 16, 2015 7:31:06 GMT
The Star www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/448354/Sandro-kicked-out-of-the-countryFormer Tottenham star and QPR ace Sandro sent back to Brazil after work permit issues QPR midfielder Sandro has been sent back to his native Brazil after it emerged he did not have a work permit for the 2014-15 Premier League season. By Chisanga Malata / Published 16th June 2015 SENT HOME: Sandro has returned to Brazil [GETTY] The Sun claim Sandro, 26, will not be allowed back into the country until he has the required paperwork. Sandro's untimely exit comes as the result of the midfielder's failure to obtain a new work permit after his £10m deadline day move to Loftus Road from Tottenham in September 2014. As a result of the investigation into the Brazilian's eligibility to work in the UK, the Home Office have suspended QPR's license to sign any non-EU players. A QPR spokesperson said: “Sandro has returned to Brazil for a holiday and we continue to work with the Home Office to resolve the matter. HOOP: Sandro joined QPR last September [GETTY] “Sandro has returned to Brazil for a holiday and we continue to work with the Home Office to resolve the matter” Queens Park Rangers “The Premier League have confirmed there is no issue around his eligibility.” Both QPR or Sandro were unaware that the necessary paperwork wasn't in place and he ended up playing 17 games for the R's before the Home Office informed them of the infringement. A Home Office spokesman said: “Clubs that benefit from the immigration system must ensure they have robust compliance systems in place or risk losing their privilege to sponsor players. “We take action where we find evidence that compliance duties are not being fulfilled.” Sandro, who has 17 Brazil caps to his name, has two-years left on his current contract with the Championship side and is eligible for a new work permit due to size of his transfer fee and salary.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 7:38:00 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jun 16, 2015 7:38:00 GMT
QPR Statement QPR Official Site PUBLISHED 09:00 16th June 2015 by @qprfc QPR issue statement regarding Sandro following article in national newspaper ... THE club is aware of today's story in The Sun newspaper regarding Sandro and the Home Office. Whilst the club is in dialogue with the Home Office in a bid to resolve the matter, it is not in a position to comment further at this time. However, the club can clarify that Sandro is currently on holiday in Brazil - but wasn't deported as suggested in the article. The club will be making no further comment. www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/sandro-work-permit-the-sun-qpr-statement-2494295.aspx#ccbriYrQmhHz0lDD.99
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 8:33:32 GMT
Post by harr on Jun 16, 2015 8:33:32 GMT
Whilst its nice the Club have come out and said not deported holiday , still havnt answered the question.
Where we banned from signing EU players or are we still banned?
By not answering this to me suggests that we was or still are ?
#lessonslearnt. #bigfail
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2015 9:02:04 GMT
Should never have sacked Sheila Marson.
This kind of nonsense would never have happened on her watch.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 9:12:09 GMT
Post by rangerray on Jun 16, 2015 9:12:09 GMT
The good news is we won't have to pay £50k a week for a player who we would probably never have sold for anything like £10m and would have probably just been happy sit on the bench. As we've been relegated I doubt if the Premier League will be interested in doing anything and the Home Office will give us permission to sponsor players as soon as they are sure our systems have been tightened up.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 16, 2015 10:10:47 GMT
The good news is we won't have to pay £50k a week for a player who we would probably never have sold for anything like £10m and would have probably just been happy sit on the bench. As we've been relegated I doubt if the Premier League will be interested in doing anything and the Home Office will give us permission to sponsor players as soon as they are sure our systems have been tightened up. It won't be that easy and I can bet he'll be our player next season
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 12:29:50 GMT
Post by blatantfowl on Jun 16, 2015 12:29:50 GMT
I'd rather the Tblisi Zookeeper was in charge of QPR. At least he could blame the assets escaping on an act of god.
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2015 15:42:50 GMT
I'd rather the Tblisi Zookeeper was in charge of QPR. At least he could blame the assets escaping on an act of god. This one is on Flavio. He sacked Sheila Marson who was one of the best administrators out there. Since then our paperwork has been pathetic, leading to the Faurlin case, Zarate and Jarvis loan cock up and then this latest fiasco.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 15:49:33 GMT
Post by sharky on Jun 16, 2015 15:49:33 GMT
From the Guardian www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/16/qpr-banned-non-eu-sandro-vias-work-permit-brazilian?QPR banned from signing non-EU players until Sandro case is resolved• Brazilian’s career left in limbo after club’s administrative blunder • Sandro has two years to run on £50,000-a-week deal Sandro’s career has been left in limbo amid a row over his work permit after an embarrassing administrative blunder by Queens Park Rangers, with the club banned from signing any non-EU players until the case is concluded. The Brazilian midfielder has been suspended by the home office pending the outcome of an inquiry which could take weeks. Sandro and QPR must now wait to see whether he is given permission to carry on at Loftus Road and if not, whether his contract will become null and void. Any cancellation might suit QPR given that they are trying to offload Sandro following their relegation from the Premier League. He has two years to run on a £50,000-a-week deal and after a difficult season following a £6m transfer from Tottenham Hotspur on deadline day in September of last year, he may be difficult to shift. On the other hand, QPR might take the glass half-full view and back themselves to get a fee for the 26-year-old. From Sandro’s side he would argue that he signed the contract in good faith and the lack of a permit ought to change nothing. He would still see the deal as binding and if QPR could not play him or sell him, they may have to loan him to a club outside the European Union. The error came to light towards the end of last season, when it was discovered that there was a problem with Sandro’s UK residency visa which, in turn, sparked the issue with his EU work permit. He had held the correct documentation during his four seasons at Tottenham and when he moved to QPR the club successfully applied for a fresh work permit. Yet they did not update his visa, which has led to the controversy. The permit does not apply without a valid visa. It is technically the player’s responsibility to sort out the paperwork but it is invariably clubs to apply for and file it. Sandro did qualify and it appears to have been nothing more than an oversight on QPR’s part and the mistake has laid them open to accusations of amateurism. Advertisement The Home Office contacted QPR on 7 May, before the club went to Manchester City for the third last game of the season, to flag a problem with the expiry date on Sandro’s visa. “While this is ongoing the club have been advised not to select Sandro for match involvement,” QPR said at the time. He did not feature against City, or in either of their final matches – against Newcastle United or Leicester City. The Home Office has now completed a compliance check and it said it has “suspended QPR’s sponsor licence [for Sandro],” together with imposing the ban on them adding any non-EU players until the matter is resolved. It has given QPR 20 working days – the first of which was last Thursday – to make their written submissions in response to the suspension and the Home Office would then have a further 20 working days to decide about the permit. Sandro is currently on holiday in Brazil and QPR say that they are “in dialogue with the Home Office in a bid to resolve the matter”. It remains to be seen whether the Home Office takes the hard-line stance and denies Sandro the permit, which would open up the issues relating to his contract. But it is important to note that in football regulatory terms, QPR did not break any rules on the transfer. Sandro was properly registered with the Premier League and so there is no case for QPR being retrospectively punished for fielding an ineligible player. Sandro made 17 league appearances last season, scoring one goal.
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2015 16:04:05 GMT
Like I said, this is stuff Sheila would have known and made sure that Sandro's visa was updated at the same time.
Just little things like that, but they make a big difference.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 16:18:55 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jun 16, 2015 16:18:55 GMT
How hard is it to make sure when you're signing a 10 Million pound million Brazilian that a) he's not got injuries issues; and b) that's he eligible to play in England...?
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Post by blatantfowl on Jun 16, 2015 16:23:59 GMT
How hard is it to make sure when you're signing a 10 Million pound million Brazilian that a) he's not got injuries issues; and b) that's he eligible to play in England...? Very difficult if you have never done it before and not had a handover of administrative duties from Sheila Marson to the new responsible person. Very easy if you have done either of these things. Basically, Nomar has hit the nail on the head.
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Sandro
Jun 16, 2015 17:33:55 GMT
Post by terryb on Jun 16, 2015 17:33:55 GMT
Question time!
IF we can't sign any non euro zone players until this is resolved, how would we stand on Ale Faurlin signing a new contract? I suspect that this would be OK providing his work permit is still valid & would only apply to non permit holders. Alternativelt, perhaps Ale holds a european pssport.
HOW could any employee not include this document in the paperwork to be examined when he signed the contract? Come to that, how could the FA & Premier League have accepted his resignation without a copy of the document?
A different issue, but twelve years ago as secretary of a non league level five club, I was aware that we had to apply to the FA for international clearance if we signed a player who had played outside of England (including the home countries) & even if he last played in England it was worth informing the FA as the previous club could have been in breach!
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Sandro
Jun 17, 2015 7:34:28 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jun 17, 2015 7:34:28 GMT
BBC yesterday 16 June 2015 Last updated at 12:49 GMT Sandro: QPR's Brazilian midfielder did not have work permit QPR's Brazilian midfielder Sandro did not have a work permit last season although the club deny he has been deported. The 26-year-old - reportedly signed for £10m - did not have the necessary paperwork, the Sun newspaper revealed. A QPR statement said: "The club is in dialogue with the Home Office in a bid to resolve the matter." Rangers said Sandro is on holiday in Brazil and, contrary to the report, had not been told to leave the UK. He tweeted: "Hope everything will be sorted soon. Love England too much." A Home Office investigation revealed QPR midfielder Sandro did not have a work permit and it has suspended Rangers' sponsor licence, which allows clubs to apply for visas for players from non-EU countries.Without the licence Rangers can still sign players from non-EU countries but they cannot play until the suspension is lifted. Sandro cannot play until he has a working visa. Rangers, Sandro & the Home OfficeQPR have 20 working days from 11 June to submit written representations in response to the suspension of their sponsor licence Once any representations are received, the Home Office has a further 20 working days to make a decision on the licence It is understood the visa issue was an oversight on QPR's part, following Sandro's transfer from Spurs, rather than any deliberate attempt to flout the rules. There are not thought to have been any work permit issues relating to his time at Tottenham A Home Office spokesperson said: "Sports clubs that benefit from the immigration system must ensure they have robust compliance systems in place or risk losing their privilege to sponsor players and workers. "We continually monitor all sponsors on the register and we will take action where we find evidence that compliance duties are not being fulfilled." Last month, QPR said they were told of an issue with his UK residency visa and were advised not to select Sandro for their Premier League game at Manchester City. Sandro, who scored once in 17 appearances for the west London side last season, missed the match at Etihad Stadium which saw Rangers relegated after a 6-0 defeat, and he did not play in their final two games. An Olympic silver medallist with Brazil at the London 2012 Olympics, he joined Rangers from Tottenham in September 2014, having spent more than four years at White Hart Lane. He linked up again at Loftus Road with then Rangers manager Harry Redknapp, who signed him for Spurs from Internacional. www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33147809
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Sandro
Jun 17, 2015 23:08:03 GMT
Post by sharky on Jun 17, 2015 23:08:03 GMT
....and from the Evening Standard www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr/qpr-confident-over-sandro-work-permit-error-10327353.htmlQPR confident over Sandro work permit errorWork permit error: QPR are confident Sandro, centre, will return for training SIMON JOHNSON Published: 17 June 2015 Updated: 20:07, 17 June 2015 QPR are confident Sandro will have his work permit problem resolved in time for him to report back for pre-season training. Sandro’s future appeared in doubt after it emerged that the club had not renewed his visa this season. The 26-year-old is on holiday in Brazil while a new one is applied for. There were concerns that QPR would have to let the midfielder go if the Home Office refused to grant another one. But Standard Sport understands Rangers are expecting a permit to be issued quick enough for him to join in pre-season. QPR begin their preparations for the Championship on June 29 but even if the situation isn’t sorted out by then, he should be back at the club’s training ground next month. It is believed the reason behind the mishap was because Sandro had a work permit when he joined from Tottenham for £10million on September 1. However, Standard Sport can reveal the confusion arose because he was only covered to play legally in this country until the back-end of the campaign. QPR hadn’t realised it was going to expire before the final game and discovered the problem too late. Still, he was withdrawn from action the moment they were informed and he sat out the final three matches. The club remain optimistic it won’t be held against them and that Sandro will be able to be involved in their campaign.
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Sandro
Jun 18, 2015 16:58:31 GMT
Post by londonranger on Jun 18, 2015 16:58:31 GMT
Harry was so happy when we signed Sandro. I wonder how his knees are? Harrys' not Sandros.
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Post by nomar on Jun 18, 2015 21:44:58 GMT
How hard is it to make sure when you're signing a 10 Million pound million Brazilian that a) he's not got injuries issues; and b) that's he eligible to play in England...? Very difficult if you have never done it before and not had a handover of administrative duties from Sheila Marson to the new responsible person. Very easy if you have done either of these things. Basically, Nomar has hit the nail on the head. The orange one wanted to cut back on game day flowers and experienced admin staff so he could save a few bucks and ended up paying for it in all sorts of assorted fines and bungled deals. Totally stupid and unforgivable move by the fat f*** to get rid of Sheila after, I believe, 30 years of devotion and service to the club. How prescient that warning looks now!
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Sandro
Jul 3, 2015 13:46:05 GMT
Post by sharky on Jul 3, 2015 13:46:05 GMT
From fourfourtwo Sandro's visa and work permits unravelled – how exactly do the rules work?Immigration consultant Ia n Robinson looks at why the Hoops are in hot water over their Brazilian midfielder... How did it go wrong for QPR and Sandro?The answer isn’t Harry Redknapp or Chris Ramsey, this time at least. Last month we learned that Sandro doesn’t have a valid work permit and the Home Office isn’t happy with QPR. The upshot? For the time being and potentially the foreseeable future, QPR cannot sign players from outside the European Union and are at risk of losing some of their existing squad. So what happened?Unsurprisingly QPR have chosen not to air their dirty laundry in public and nor has the Home Office, the government department in charge of enforcing work permit policy. But it is possible to speak hypothetically about what could happen to a football club. Most footballers from outside of the EU require a work permit (known as a sponsored Tier 2 visa) to play here. The rules for who can get a work permit were tightened by the Football Association in May. The point, which it is hard to disagree with, is that the FA need to balance two competing priorities. Yes, we want the best players in the world to play in the UK but that can’t mean flooding the Premier League with foreign players at the expense of young English talent. This is not just about the next Sterling, Kane and other wonder kids but also the next Lallana, Milner or Cahill – solid players who benefited from having game time to develop and become valuable internationals. The FA’s criteria is staggered according to the country you play for – the lower down the FIFA rankings your country, the more international caps you need. If the country is ranked outside the top 50, or if you are not an established international, an appeals panel will look at transfer value and wage, domestic club experience and European experience, among other criteria. Getting a work permit can be tough and they do not last forever. They are usually limited to five years or the length of a player’s contract and they are tied to particular clubs. Simply put, new club means new permit. PenaltiesUKVI takes this issue very seriously and companies employing workers in breach of their visas can lose their licence to sponsor workers. This is as true for a football club as it is for a hospital or a restaurant. Players in breach of their visa conditions would normally be given 60 days to find a new club, leave the country or face the possibility of not being allowed to enter the UK for a 12-month to 10-year period, even for a short holiday; there isn’t a Premier League club that wouldn’t be hurt by that and plenty of Championship clubs would take a hit too. As things stand, QPR are likely being given an opportunity to correct the situation and hopefully they will. The point is to try and stop it happening in the first place: QPR only have a few non-EU players, imagine the problems if this was Man City or Chelsea... Read more at www.fourfourtwo.com/features/sandros-visa-and-work-permits-unravelled-how-exactly-do-rules-work#sVUvksQyWV75oDkv.99
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Sandro
Jul 3, 2015 23:58:19 GMT
Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 3, 2015 23:58:19 GMT
Only at QPR could this happen. Why have a life of nice and smooth when we can be constantly in the media for the wrong reasons?
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Sandro
Jul 4, 2015 19:51:58 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2015 19:51:58 GMT
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Sandro
Jul 4, 2015 20:00:49 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 4, 2015 20:00:49 GMT
Wonder how much we are going to lose when we sell Fer , Sandro and Caulker . Were they not about 7-8 Million each . 24 Million , will be interested to see what we get back.
We will make 10-11 Million on Charlie and a Couple on Phillips if he goes but could lose most of that on the loss of these three ? Grrrrr
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Post by paulmason on Jul 4, 2015 20:04:12 GMT
Wonder how much we are going to lose when we sell Fer , Sandro and Caulker . Were they not about 7-8 Million each . 24 Million , will be interested to see what we get back. We will make 10-11 Million on Charlie and a Couple on Phillips if he goes but could lose most of that on the loss of these three ? Grrrrr Why would we loose money on Fer? No one will pay a penny for Caulker, as he is hit and a kiss of death. Sandro should have his contract trrminated and the club should get Shelia Marsden back.
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