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Post by Marc on May 17, 2015 16:30:21 GMT
Vargas & Isla - Rumour is that they wanted out before Ramsey came along As for our defence, he hasn't had Ferdinand available, Dunne missing for a lot of games. Onouha has been disappointing all season as has Caulker. Would be good if you could point out where the quality lies that Ramsey would have needed to have shored up the defence. The defence has been piss poor all season because the right players weren't brought in, very little Ramsey could have done to correct that. Well the Quality was supposed to be Caulker at 7 Million thats why Fernandes and Harry bought him. With Ferdinand to partner him, wasnt it supposed to be a CB partnership made in heaven. None of these things are Ramseys fault, however some Managers have a habit of going in to manage dreadful teams and suring up a bad defence straight away . Pulis can do it pretty much straight away, makes it hard for teams to score against, sadly Ramsey and the team he is managing havnt quite achieved this. Sloppy mistakes, lack of concentration etc and we continued throwing points away. I dont blame Ramsey for all this, just saying IMO another Manager could have possibly kept us up from putting him into the position like Ramsey was first week February for 14-15 games or however many it was. Not going to say it would have been, just a possibility an actual Manager could have. Of course it's a possibility but it still doesn't mean Ramsey shouldn't get the chance to manage the team with players (hopefully) of his own choosing.
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Post by kenthoop on May 17, 2015 16:34:21 GMT
Well the Quality was supposed to be Caulker at 7 Million thats why Fernandes and Harry bought him. With Ferdinand to partner him, wasnt it supposed to be a CB partnership made in heaven. None of these things are Ramseys fault, however some Managers have a habit of going in to manage dreadful teams and suring up a bad defence straight away . Pulis can do it pretty much straight away, makes it hard for teams to score against, sadly Ramsey and the team he is managing havnt quite achieved this. Sloppy mistakes, lack of concentration etc and we continued throwing points away. I dont blame Ramsey for all this, just saying IMO another Manager could have possibly kept us up from putting him into the position like Ramsey was first week February for 14-15 games or however many it was. Not going to say it would have been, just a possibility an actual Manager could have. Of course it's a possibility but it still doesn't mean Ramsey shouldn't get the chance to manage the team with players (hopefully) of his own choosing. shoring up a bad defence lol
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Post by harr on May 17, 2015 16:39:14 GMT
Yes Fabs you are correct Ramsey has been without those three for most games. Vargas and Isla , problematic ? Well they may have been recently. They didnt seem so problematic at the start of our season ? Ramsey possibly would have done slightly better with Fer and Dunne but he still hasnt sured up our defence which was the big reason we are down. We still have made stupid fundemental errors and we still have conceded and not concentrated for the whole 90 mins thro Harry and Ramsey. I get the feeling Fernandes will give him the job, not convinced he is the leader to take us forward but we have restricted our own options now anyway as most dont want to work under Les. Lets hope he can be a develop into a good Manager, time will tell. It would be interesting to know what Fernandes expects us to achieve in the Championship next year. shored up the defence ,not sured just thought I would point it out to you harr Thanks Kenthoop
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Post by harr on May 17, 2015 16:44:26 GMT
Well the Quality was supposed to be Caulker at 7 Million thats why Fernandes and Harry bought him. With Ferdinand to partner him, wasnt it supposed to be a CB partnership made in heaven. None of these things are Ramseys fault, however some Managers have a habit of going in to manage dreadful teams and suring up a bad defence straight away . Pulis can do it pretty much straight away, makes it hard for teams to score against, sadly Ramsey and the team he is managing havnt quite achieved this. Sloppy mistakes, lack of concentration etc and we continued throwing points away. I dont blame Ramsey for all this, just saying IMO another Manager could have possibly kept us up from putting him into the position like Ramsey was first week February for 14-15 games or however many it was. Not going to say it would have been, just a possibility an actual Manager could have. Of course it's a possibility but it still doesn't mean Ramsey shouldn't get the chance to manage the team with players (hopefully) of his own choosing. If its Ramsey then its Ramsey Fabs. I wont be losing sleep over it He may turn out the best thing for us in the long term and be a Manager for us for years or years or he might get us relegated to League One, who knows. Do you think Sherwood would have got more than 3 wins and two draws in 14-15 games ? Or about the same ?
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Post by Marc on May 17, 2015 17:18:21 GMT
Of course it's a possibility but it still doesn't mean Ramsey shouldn't get the chance to manage the team with players (hopefully) of his own choosing. If its Ramsey then its Ramsey Fabs. I wont be losing sleep over it He may turn out the best thing for us in the long term and be a Manager for us for years or years or he might get us relegated to League One, who knows. Do you think Sherwood would have got more than 3 wins and two draws in 14-15 games ? Or about the same ? No point in speculating really but bare in mind, his team also shipped 6 goals in the last week to a lesser team than Man City.
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Post by nomar on May 17, 2015 18:26:13 GMT
Reading during the week that Ramsey tried to get Vargas to go on from the bench against Palace but he refused. Can you imagine that happening with someone like McCarthy, Warnock, Hughes etc. Think that Vargas would have had to get the bus home after waking up from being laid out! Sorry Chris, lovely man but but football manager, never. Stick to the development squads or concentrate on being a well respected coach. So, managers like Pardew, Warnock, Moyes didn't have problems with ego driven players then? Only Ramsey.
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Post by nomar on May 17, 2015 18:44:41 GMT
The whole set up was designed for Tim Sherwood. For reasons only known to Fernandez and the board they decided not to go ahead and appoint him.
Warburton won't work with a Director of Football at Brentford so why would he come into a totally unknown club that needs a total overhaul and already has a DoF who isn't going anywhere?
It would get messy now if TF was to appoint anyone other than Ramsey now, as the whole set up here is geared for him instead of Sherwood.
Warburton had no experience before Brentford so Ramsey is on a similar path really.
I'm looking forward to seeing what our team looks like on August 3rd.
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Post by harr on May 17, 2015 20:14:59 GMT
If its Ramsey then its Ramsey Fabs. I wont be losing sleep over it He may turn out the best thing for us in the long term and be a Manager for us for years or years or he might get us relegated to League One, who knows. Do you think Sherwood would have got more than 3 wins and two draws in 14-15 games ? Or about the same ? No point in speculating really but bare in mind, his team also shipped 6 goals in the last week to a lesser team than Man City. Yes, fully aware of that and he had a decent team to take over. Just wonder how many more points Sherwood might have got than Ramsey if any.
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Post by Marc on May 17, 2015 20:18:41 GMT
No point in speculating really but bare in mind, his team also shipped 6 goals in the last week to a lesser team than Man City. Yes, fully aware of that and he had a decent team to take over. Just wonder how many more points Sherwood might have got than Ramsey if any. Indeed but I reckon he may have got another 3 or 4 but we still would ave gone down.
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Post by harr on May 17, 2015 20:23:55 GMT
Yes, fully aware of that and he had a decent team to take over. Just wonder how many more points Sherwood might have got than Ramsey if any. Indeed but I reckon he may have got another 3 or 4 but we still would ave gone down. Yeah true. We needed to make that change at the beginning of Jan at the latest Really. Would have got another 4-5 games and may have loaned a player that we were going to actually use rather than wasting nearly a million pounds on someone unfit with attitude problems . Still onwards and upwards . Lets see who Tony appoints Lets see what FFP fine we get and if we get a transfer embargo. Lets see what players we will try and keep. Hopefully resolve these asap and move on ane not be another QPR mad rush.
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Post by Marc on May 17, 2015 20:44:46 GMT
Indeed but I reckon he may have got another 3 or 4 but we still would ave gone down. Yeah true. We needed to make that change at the beginning of Jan at the latest Really. Would have got another 4-5 games and may have loaned a player that we were going to actually use rather than wasting nearly a million pounds on someone unfit with attitude problems . Still onwards and upwards . Lets see who Tony appoints Lets see what FFP fine we get and if we get a transfer embargo. Lets see what players we will try and keep. Hopefully resolve these asap and move on ane not be another QPR mad rush. I think we can agree on all of that except that we have to remember that "we" didn't make that change at all. Wonder where we'd be if Redknapp hadn't quit. Stop it fabs, you're driving yourself nuts!!
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