kilburnhoop
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Post by kilburnhoop on Mar 23, 2015 10:34:39 GMT
Seen enough yesterday to suggest, no we have not chucked in the towel just yet. We had fight and did not look like a team who are beaten. How we never got at least a point is beyond me. If we did not have bad luck we would have no luck.
Amazingly we are not cut adrift despite a return off only 3 points from our last 10. To be fair Villa 6 from 10, sunderland 6 from 10 and leicester 5 from 10 are nearly as bad.
All of you backslapping and congratulating yourselves on your relegation predictions, dont light them cigars just yet.
URRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 23, 2015 10:38:46 GMT
Well Given that I predicted pre-season we'd not go down...
And I'm sure no one is backslapping if correct about relegation
But the fact remains we actually have to WIN several games. Probably 4 out of 8...to have even a chance of staying up
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Post by harr on Mar 23, 2015 11:14:59 GMT
Well I had us to finish 17th on 37 points.....So I am not slapping anyone.. My youngest son still thinks we will stay up but I am grinding him down slowly Of course we are only 4 points off that place but one win in 10, one away win all season excuse me for thinking its pretty much a lost cause. Yes 4 out of 8 wins minimum. Right off Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool then, seeing as we have played 11 games against the top 7 and got one point. Win 4 from 5 , WBA A , Villa A , Newcastle H , West Ham H and Leicester away...umm let me think
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Post by nomar on Mar 23, 2015 14:43:02 GMT
The ability to stay up is dependent on winning games.
We are conceding close to 2 goals a game and have conceded more than everyone else in this division.
Based on the fact that we can't keep clean sheets and are conceding 2 goals a game regardless of who the opposition is, we need to score 3 to win.
It can't be done.
You stay up by sneaking 1-0 wins. If you can't defend or keep clean sheets you have no shot at survival.
So, what has the OP seen over the last 30 games that makes him believe the habits of the last 6 months can be unlearned during the next 8 weeks?
I'd say you can quite safely not only light the cigar, but puff heavily on it, put on your best smoking jacket and pour yourself a brandy too whilst listening to a rather rotund lady delivering a melodic refrain.
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Post by sharky on Mar 23, 2015 15:17:15 GMT
I don't care where we end up as long as we beat Chelsea!
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Post by nomar on Mar 23, 2015 16:31:06 GMT
I don't care where we end up as long as we beat Chelsea! If you're good enough to beat Chelsea then you're really good enough to stay up. At least we got 2 weeks now before our next defeats. So thats something.
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kilburnhoop
Dave Sexton
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Post by kilburnhoop on Mar 23, 2015 16:31:47 GMT
Fact is, We can still stay up. Keep that champagne on ice.
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Post by Hogan on Mar 23, 2015 17:12:32 GMT
Kilburn I love your optimism, but I am struggling to see where any kind of win is coming let alone the four that Ramsey thinks may be enough to stay up and I am a glass full kinda person.
So little creativity and so little luck and only one proper striker. Same as all the previous games this season and last for that matter. We really are the worst team in the league, even Leicester will finish above us at this rate and we will be rock bottom. Ramsey has tried his best but I don't blame him he can only do so much with what he has at his disposal and no experience.
How I hope im totally wrong.
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Post by blatantfowl on Mar 23, 2015 17:21:19 GMT
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Post by nomar on Mar 23, 2015 18:59:49 GMT
Fact is, We can still stay up. Keep that champagne on ice. *** sighs.... **** Fact is, I could technically be a millionaire this time next week, if I decided to buy a ticket and got lucky on the Lotto. The cold hard reality is that this time next week I'll still be looking at my bank account wondering how I'm going to pay all my bills next month and still be able to feed my family. So, yeah, we could still stay up but, realistically, the odds are heavily stacked against it happening. I admire your optimism, I really do. But this lot have disappointed me enough already so I'm not going to hold out false hopes of some Wigan-like escape act. Not with our defence.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Mar 24, 2015 1:07:43 GMT
Its not over until the fat lady [man] sings. OK Taarbs start singing.
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kilburnhoop
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Post by kilburnhoop on Mar 24, 2015 9:47:09 GMT
Fact is, We can still stay up. Keep that champagne on ice. *** sighs.... **** Fact is, I could technically be a millionaire this time next week, if I decided to buy a ticket and got lucky on the Lotto. The cold hard reality is that this time next week I'll still be looking at my bank account wondering how I'm going to pay all my bills next month and still be able to feed my family. So, yeah, we could still stay up but, realistically, the odds are heavily stacked against it happening. I admire your optimism, I really do. But this lot have disappointed me enough already so I'm not going to hold out false hopes of some Wigan-like escape act. Not with our defence. We are rangers fans we live in hope rather than expectancy. Stubb the cigar out, put the smoking jacket away and turn the music off at least for a few more weeks
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Post by kerrins on Mar 24, 2015 11:04:42 GMT
Yes Kilburn hoop R's fans live in hope rather than expectancy...but its the hope that kills you.
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Post by bowranger on Mar 24, 2015 12:24:08 GMT
*** sighs.... **** Fact is, I could technically be a millionaire this time next week, if I decided to buy a ticket and got lucky on the Lotto. The cold hard reality is that this time next week I'll still be looking at my bank account wondering how I'm going to pay all my bills next month and still be able to feed my family. So, yeah, we could still stay up but, realistically, the odds are heavily stacked against it happening. I admire your optimism, I really do. But this lot have disappointed me enough already so I'm not going to hold out false hopes of some Wigan-like escape act. Not with our defence. We are rangers fans we live in hope rather than expectancy. Stubb the cigar out, put the smoking jacket away and turn the music off at least for a few more weeks I feel pretty similar to nomar when I stop and think about it. I've kind of 'made peace' with relegation and it feels like the best way through it all at the moment. I go into matches hopeful that we'll win but presuming we won't. When we score/win it feels even better than normal and when we lose, well, it's still crap but it doesn't feel as bad as it would've done. Like kerrins says, it's the hope that kills ya.
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Post by nomar on Mar 24, 2015 19:18:58 GMT
I'm hoping beyond hope that somehow we'll pull the great escape off. But every logical brain cell I have tells me that we are absolutely ripe for going down. We pretty much tick every box for 'relegation certainties'. If we had a defence that looked even semi capable of keeping clean sheets then I'd have some cause for optimism because, unlike nearly all the other teams down there with us, we actually can score goals. But, at this stage of the season, draws are useless to us now. You have to win games and to do that you must score goals. But, by jigamy, we are so damn poor at the back that we always end up chasing games. We rarely ever have a lead to 'defend'. Let's be honest, every time a team attacks us my heart is in my mouth because I'm scared they'll score. Defending is a relatively easy concept. You put bodies in the way of the ball, you track back your runners and you keep your shape. But every season without fail at least 2 Premier League teams will inexplicably fail to do even the basics of defending right. Over the course of 38 games they will keep making the same mistakes week in, week out and then end up relegated. That sound like any team you know?
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Post by jjqpr on Mar 24, 2015 21:51:02 GMT
In the past it did feel like some qpr fans wanted us to fail, to go down and enjoyed it. But I don't think anyone on this board is like that now are they? So not really sure who this is aimed at quite?
Let me ask you this, would you bet your house on us staying up? No I didn't think so.
We all know we are going down in our heart of hearts. I think we all just wish we weren't going down with such a whimper again!
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 24, 2015 22:25:08 GMT
If tomorrow morning I woke up and learned that Tony Pulis had become manager of QPR with 8 games to go, I would think that maybe, somehow, QPR would do it. I wouldnt be confident. But I would be hopeful.
But I don't that will happen with Ramsey
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Post by harr on Mar 24, 2015 22:49:59 GMT
If tomorrow morning I woke up and learned that Tony Pulis had become manager of QPR with 8 games to go, I would think that maybe, somehow, QPR would do it. I wouldnt be confident. But I would be hopeful. But I don't that will happen with Ramsey We had over a month to get Pulis in. Maybe not the big name we recently go for. How can we be confident of winning games when we have won just one in ten and lost to Hull,Palace, Everton of late. I thought we might stay up, I thought we might go down with some fight and make it go to the wire, now I see us down mathematically by Liverpool or City maybe sooner.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Apr 5, 2015 11:18:37 GMT
Game on, we are fighting. Goal difference got a good boost as well. Over 2500 rangers there yesterday, fantastic support
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Post by nomar on Apr 5, 2015 11:50:04 GMT
Game on, we are fighting. Goal difference got a good boost as well. Over 2500 rangers there yesterday, fantastic support Fair play to you, fella, you called it. If we beat Villa on Tuesday I'll definitely be a believer. Humble Pie may well be on the menu soon.
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Post by corndog on Apr 5, 2015 12:10:13 GMT
Agree on that one Nomar, a win on Tuesday will definitely have me in the believers camp. A loss and I can't see us recovering, a draw, it could go either way. I still believe the loss to Villa in 12/13 was the nail in the coffin for us and I think it's the make or break match this year as well.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Apr 5, 2015 12:20:29 GMT
I Believe now and will always believe we will stay up.The fact that we have 2 wins and 9 defeats in our last 11 games should really mean we are cut adrift and down. The bottom 6 to 7 teams are so poor we by some miracle are not. I still think Leicester Sunderland Hull Burnley and Villa are all in as much crap as we are and can see us staying up. Just need to turn in the early season home form again.
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Post by nomar on Apr 5, 2015 17:03:53 GMT
Villa is must win now after today's results.
I think the loser of that game goes down.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Apr 6, 2015 4:35:57 GMT
So there you go in ninety minutes, Burnley pick up a point, and a arsey goal gives Sunderland three points, meaning QPR are now 2nd from the bottom. Ah well as Ned Kelly said before,he also did the big drop. "Such is Life"
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 6, 2015 6:37:49 GMT
Another 4-1 win would not go amiss for us. It would certainly bring us back into co tention for not going down. Fingers crossed.
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Post by nomar on Apr 6, 2015 9:15:38 GMT
So there you go in ninety minutes, Burnley pick up a point, and a arsey goal gives Sunderland three points, meaning QPR are now 2nd from the bottom. Ah well as Ned Kelly said before,he also did the big drop. "Such is Life" Not sure it really changes anything for us though. Like Charlie Austin said after the West Brom game, we needed a minimum of 4 pts from these 2 games anyway. Villa is and always was a relegation 6 pointer and that hasn't changed. I think that if we win tomorrow we'll stay up. If we lose its hard to see anything other than the trap door. That was the same before Burnley or Sunderland kicked a ball yesterday.
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Post by sharky on Apr 6, 2015 11:24:29 GMT
Still a long way to go but the six pointer would be good to win.
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Post by kerrins on Apr 8, 2015 10:18:12 GMT
I wish we were back in ye olde days when only TWO teams got relegated.
Yep we can get the better of Burnley and Leicester....Sorry very little chance of finishing above anyone else. They all have better players than us and it also has to be said we are much too fragile.
Harry son you have a lot to answer for..especially those ELEVEN away defeats on the bounce. For Gods sake NIL POINTS out of 33! If we had taken just a paltry TWO out of 33 there would still be a fair chance.
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kilburnhoop
Dave Sexton
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Post by kilburnhoop on Apr 13, 2015 15:00:11 GMT
100 per cent effort again yesterday and no points. I hadnt really expected anything form yesterday so with games to go, can we get them 9 or so points?.
I tend to look at the teams in the relegation mix and look for any fight. Leicester, burnley and ourselves have it though burnley are not going to score enough goals. Sunderland and Hull look like their going through the motions expecting to get the 6 or 7 points that will keep them up. They are both in big big trouble. Wouldn't it be nice to go Leicester with both teams neeing a point to stay up!.
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Post by harr on Apr 14, 2015 8:40:43 GMT
We know what we have to do, beat West Ham , Newcastle, Leicester. If we lose to West Ham we are down. If we draw with West Ham, we will need points off Liverpool and City.
Still not impossible but three good performances quite easily could have rewarded us with 7 points but we managed 4. Something that we have been good at all season, playing well in games and coming away with very little.
I'm still optimistic an escape is on but results need to go our way Saturday with Leicester and Burnley, losses or draws.
Results need to go our way 3 - 4 days after the West Ham game, when Hull , Sunderland and Leicester play there game in hand. By then we will all have four games left, we need to be on 29 points .
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