kilburnhoop
Dave Sexton
Every Ranger is a danger
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Post by kilburnhoop on Apr 14, 2015 20:16:10 GMT
Totally agree har, have to beat the hammers.
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2015 22:46:40 GMT
Been out of the loop all day so did MOTD challenge.
We're done. Two Austin missed pens could be the bookend to our demise. If we can't beat West Ham at home we have no business being in the Prem.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Apr 26, 2015 0:16:20 GMT
Repeat after me,our next two matches, are MUST WIN games.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 26, 2015 6:50:16 GMT
We have to do what we havent done all season? Win 2 in a row?
In theory, we get a shock win at Liverpool - or Man City - or even a couple of draws
Then we beat Beat Newcastle (who like West Ham are in a deep slump - for what's that;s worth..
Then we beat a relaxed Leicester
Trouble is we're 4 points behind safety. And the clubs ahead of us have an extra game in hand
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 8:22:47 GMT
Give it up, it's over.
These overpaid twits have messed up my weekend for the last time this season now. I'm not falling for the "we can still get out of this" delusional bullshine that'll be touted on QPR fan boards between now and our inevitable Anfield defeat.
They may as well stick that big R next to our name cos we're down now.
Another joke of a Premier League campaign and a lifeline given to us by Bobby Zamora at Wembley has been p*ssed away in shockingly profligate fashion.
At least I get to see us at Ashton Gate next season.
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 26, 2015 9:39:23 GMT
Even if Leicester have nothing to play for in the last game they will still beat us.
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 14:12:33 GMT
Even if Leicester have nothing to play for in the last game they will still beat us. This. We'll be down by then anyway so we'll be the ones with nothing to play for.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 26, 2015 14:51:21 GMT
Of course, the Fulham team of the early 1960s and Coventry on and off for 30 years did miracle escapes again and again
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Post by ingham on Apr 26, 2015 19:15:17 GMT
Yes. As long as it's possible, there's always hope, but week by week it is becoming less probable. Stranger things have happened, I daresay, but there is an underlying sanity to the 'doomier' presentiments of many of our number.
If it does make sense to BELIEVE week by week in increasingly improbable (but still not impossible) escapes, why on earth are we so convinced at the beginning of each season that we've put together a set-up that will work in the far more sane fashion of playing well enough to stack the odds in our favour (for once).
Personally, I think that although we want to stage a miracle escape (the Hughes revival was one such, undoubtedly, with five home wins against a succession of teams we could expect not to prevail against ...
... but in another sense, we don't. If it is reasonable to expect that ANY clueless bunch of nonentities can suddenly outperform well-recruited, well-organised, skilful, insightful, resilient teams, any hope WE have of doing what we're TOLD we're doing, in fact we're told we've DONE at the beginning of each season - constructively accomplishing what our better-organised, more skilful, well-run rivals are doing - doesn't even MAKE SENSE.
If we're good enough, why are we in this predicament (again)? And if we are not, why SHOULD we get out of it (again)? To rebuild, regroup, do all the things we did when we came down under Redknapp, indeed, when we came down under Ray Wilkins!
How will we ever come to the realization that whether something is wrong in the Kingdom of Denmark or not, something has been going wrong at Loftus Road for decades. It isn't just Fernandes or Briatore or Paladini.
The whole thing is a charade. And the only thing that holds it together is the support, which is the only thing, as far as I can make out, that is not a shambles of disinformation, bluff, uninformed guesswork, spendthrift incompetence and when it isn't wall-to-wall wishful thinking, speculation run riot in such a way that only QPR can be the loser.
All the rest of them are laughing all the way to the bank. Especially if the plan is for QPR to buy some bunch of chancers a £200 million stadium without getting so much as a penny out of any of them in return.
Leicester's revival - how many times did I hear 'they're down' in the last month or two - remind us that anything can happen.
But we should bear in mind that, unfortunately, that is TRUE. And it is far more likely to be something UNDESIRABLE when the Club has no insurance policy of talent, know-how and in-depth experience to give it a fighting chance against all the forces which conspire to destabilise ANY CLUB.
What is most astonishing, at least to me, is not that things are unravelling, since there was very little indication of any kind of meaningful ravelling in the first place.
But that we have done so badly so consistently. To cobble something together, of some kind, with £120 million in loans, plus £140 million in Premiership payments, however temporary, however superficially, wouldn't have surprised anyone, I don't think. God knows what Gregory would have made of that level of spending with that kind of outcome.
It isn't that we've come off the rails so quickly so often that is remarkable - mid-table would have been failure for a Club proposing a 40,000 stadium for itself with no real structure or talent or insight to make it credible - it is that the people running the Club - Board, Managers, Coaches and the Players, too, they are more than incidentally responsible for all of this - quite clearly have no idea there ARE any rails to be ON.
At the most successful Club ever (I exclude Man U as the manager, though impressive, was starting with 'the world's biggest club') football was an obsession.
Not stadiums, not shares, not big talk about nothing, not shopping complexes or brands or concepts or anything that adds up to perpetual failure.
But the ball, what it does, how it does it. What skills are required, what discipline is required, what training is and does. How to keep going when the others are tired. In a game, and in a season, when the others crack up. How to cope with failure, as well as success. How to keep a winning team while changing it constantly to keep it motivated and driven. Pass, pass, pass, win, win, win.
Not as talk. Not as commentary. Not as systems, but as rules of thumb that can be improvised into and out of. And practice, practice, practice.
That was their way. Every way is different. But, for my money, all ways that WORK - amount to FOOTBALL. Know all about an airline, or how to negotiate £40,000 a week for nothing in particular, or how to run F1, or a stadium complex is smoke and mirrors.
It makes them money out of the Club. But it never makes the Club any football out of them.
Because they don't have football IN them.
If we go on believing in crap, we'll go on being fed with crap. WE don't have to believe anything. Football is far too volatile and unstable (on the field) to make beliefs useful.
Facts are king. Results, performances. Once we've SEEN them. Not certainty about next season's, or what our attendances will be in a decade in a new stadium when we never learn anything new on the pitch. It has to be new, too, as we never seem to actually KNOW anything. And achievements likewise. Learn from the winners, if we must have role models. Not people who make fortunes for themselves in business, but have only a genius for losing THE CLUB'S money.
We don't need speculation, except for fun. The prediction competition, sure. But let's observe our shortcomings calmly and honestly. They are the only thing we've got, so they are the ONLY foundation we have for the future.
WE can't deploy failure successfully. But we can bloody well LEARN that it IS failure, and that it will go on BEING failure until we've found out IN PRACTICE (not just guessing how other clubs have done it or trying to copying what is usually a flash in the pan except for the rarest outfit) ...
... for OURSELVES something that DOES work, and that works year in and year out.
We may get lucky, and that prospect usually destroys any hope we have of learning anything. We over-interpret a few good results, a temporary improvement in one area or another, and as is the case with most Clubs of our size, virtually all of them in fact, we're soon back, if not in the mire, then in the usual confusion of flailing around trying to find someone to sign, or a manager to appoint.
Why, when we have so much money all the time, do we assume we must GET RID OF IT as soon as possible? Do our rivals obligingly put on the market ALL the players most suitable for QPR at just the very moment we need them, and refrain from mixing them up in a veritable ocean of the untalented?
We seem to combine constant activity, constant change, constant tweeting about constantly enhancing futures, with relentless indecisiveness. Not in the sense that we don't make decisions. We do nothing BUT make decisions. Change, change, change.
We just never decide to do anything WORTHWHILE. Wait while we learn. Wait until the right player comes along. Wait and build up a war chest. Of course, we're afraid of dropping out of the top flight, even though the last 20 years tells us we have very little idea even of how to get INTO it (except by spending more than we can possibly make when we're in it) and when we do, well, guess what? We spend all our time in the relegation zone.
Just the place this meaningless strategy doesn't want us to be. What state of mayhem must we get ourselves into to understand that WE DON'T HAVE WHAT IT TAKES (at the moment at any rate) TO MAKE ANY KIND OF USEFUL DECISION. There seems to be no basis, no rationale by which the Club can come to any kind of intelligible conclusion about whether it is the manager or the spending or the choice of players, or a particular player, leadership on the pitch, fitness regime, discipline, tactics, recruitment or youth policy.
When everything is vague and unrelated to the Club's basic raison d'etre, improving its football on the pitch, which is not a priority, it is the ONLY THING.
All the other peripheral flim-flam is nothing if the football doesn't work. The right football brings support, money, players, managers, and therefore tactics, training, recruitment - and good judgements.
And they are known to be good when they work and deliver success on the field consistently. Results, results, results. Directly. From our football.
No doubt we don't do this because we can't. Nonentities will not trumpet THEMSELVES as nonentities, far from it. For us to fail to identify them as such, as failures, as useless, keeps us in their clutches, and makes them rich, and QPR poor in everything of real value to a FOOTBALL CLUB. Believing in them on the basis of empty boasts and false claims simply perpetuates the damage and the Club's helplessness in the face of losses off and ON the pitch.
I am not talking about our supporters. They have reasons for their views, they know the Club, and they know football, and it is our role to stand up for the Club in whatever way we think fit.
I am talking about the people who peddle all this ineffectual rubbish, and pass it off as the real thing.
And their pathetic, floundering helplessness in the face of the calamities their ideas, decision and attempts to intervene do nothing to avert. One regime after another slides into the dust, one manager after another, one squad after another.
In domestic politics scepticism seems to be on the rise, based, I shouldn't wonder, on the understanding that it is what they actually DO when they get into power that counts, not all the evasions and dodges and promises and boasts to get us to back them.
On the one hand, what CAN they do, when rival nations and interests hold all the cards, and on the other, within the very limited scope they HAVE for action, given the country's long decline from great power status to being almost rejected by Scotland, what DIFFERENCE will any of it make?
As long as their resources are directed towards fooling us into believing what will get them into office, rather than understanding what actually DOES work in the kind of country that Britain actually is, it is difficult to see how they will marry goodwill, support, resources and a realistic prospect of achievement sufficiently to do anything other 'than a QPR'.
And as long as QPR is just talk and PR, without seeing how little we know, and finding out what we need to learn, and how long (and hard) it will be to acquire that know-how, the empty and meaningless comings and goings and promises and disappointments will continue.
It isn't our job to solve the problem. It is theirs. We'll know when they've begun to make a start, I would think. Afer all, if nothing else, things will be SO DIFFERENT.
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Post by jjqpr on Apr 26, 2015 20:12:59 GMT
Yeah...what he said ^^ I think
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Post by jjqpr on Apr 26, 2015 20:14:35 GMT
Of course, the Fulham team of the early 1960s and Coventry on and off for 30 years did miracle escapes again and again Leicester staying up is a modern day miracle, they've been the only certainty for relegation for months now, and yet they're staying up?!
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 26, 2015 21:57:27 GMT
ANd they didnt change their manager (I think)!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 27, 2015 2:50:30 GMT
Aston Villa, Bolton Wanderers in the last 30 years...and Sunderland always seemed to be able to perform Houdini quality escapes.
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