kilburnhoop
Dave Sexton
Every Ranger is a danger
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Post by kilburnhoop on Apr 8, 2015 18:16:13 GMT
Har, how many points will keep us up? Im pulling my hair out going through the various permatations. One thing for sure, the 37 points we stayed up with a few years back will not be acheived by at least 4 teams. Agree it wont be the usual 37 this year. 36 points for sure . Maybe 35 Kilburn might just do it. WBA did stay up with 34 though but dont think will be enough. We need need 3 wins and a draw or three wins might just do it . Even if we lost Sunday we would have to beat West Ham, Newcastle and Leics all very winnable, specially with Fer back. Need to nick a point off Chelsea , Man C or Liv to allow a slip up. Our form against the top teams has been dire , 1 point from 33 . A point or two in the big games is needed. Thanks for the update. I will take our latest average of 4 points from 2 games over the next 6. That will leave us on 38!
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Post by nomar on Apr 8, 2015 21:05:54 GMT
Its hard to know for sure how many points are needed.
For all we know 33 might be enough, with a superior GD. Or it could be as much as 37.
Until the end of the season we won't know for sure. But we have to aim to get points from every game now.
And, yes, I think we need a result against one of the 3 big boys on our remaining schedule.
Last night reminded me of Wigan 2 years ago when we gave up a free kick equalizer in injury time. I really think that Benteke's free kick, that took 2 points away from us, is a gut-punch that's going to hurt us badly in the endgame.
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Post by corndog on Apr 9, 2015 2:59:25 GMT
Too major differences between the Wigan/QPR game two years ago. One after that game, we were seven points adrift and that was the last possibility at all to get back into the fight for safety. Also in the free kick we found out that Adel Taarabt move his head out the way, which could have saved the free kick from going in. In this case, there was really no chance to stop Benteke's shot from going in. But one similarity, M'Bia created the chance for the goal in the Wigan game and gave up the stupid foul for the free kick that ended up scoring, very similar to Clint Hill in this game.
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Post by harr on Apr 14, 2015 9:03:44 GMT
Date | QPR | LEICESTER | BURNLEY | HULL | ASTON VILLA |
| SUNDERLAND | tba |
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| Arsenal (A) | 28.4.15 |
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| Liverpool (H) |
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| 29.4.15 |
| Chelsea (H) |
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| 11.4.15 |
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| 18.4.15 |
| Swansea (H) | Everton (A) |
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| 25.4.15 | West Ham (H) | Burnley (A) | Leicester (H) | C.Palace (A) | Man C (A) |
| Stoke (A) | 2.5.15 | Liverpool (A) | Newcastle (H) | West Ham (A) | Arsenal (H) | Everton (H) |
| Southampton (H) | 9.5.15 | Man City (A) | Southampton (H) | Hull (A) | Burnley (H) | West Ham (H) |
| Everton (A) | 16.5.15 | Newcastle (H) | Sunderland (A) | Stoke (H) | Spurs (A) | Southampton (A) |
| Leicester (H) | 24.5.15 | Leicester (A) | QPR (H) | A. Villa (A) | Man Utd (H) | Burnley (H) |
| Chelsea (A) |
Updated these... Still a few games to go .... 1)Saturday we want Swansea win or draw. Everton win or draw. 2)25/4 we must beat West Ham 3)The same day its Burnley v Leicester. A draw between those would be ideal. 4) Need Palace at home to beat Hull and Stoke at home to beat Sunderland. 5)Three or four days after our West Ham game Hull play game in hand home Liverpool, need Hull to lose and Leics Home to Chelsea next day, need Leics to lose. If all these go to plan, we might well still stay up. Just seen Sunderlands game in hand away at Arsenal isnt until the 20/5 seems very late this. The League places might well be sealed by then, might work in Sunderlands favour?
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Post by rangerjake on Apr 14, 2015 14:23:14 GMT
www.thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=1&submitform=NextReally interesting. I've done it twice and each time I ended up with Hull and Sunderland as the bottom two teams although my gut tells me that Sunderland will somehow manage to stay up because they always seem to manage it. Once I had us going down with them, another time Burnley was the other relegated team. It seems like all the momentum is with the teams that are currently in the bottom three but I: bet there will be another swing of the pendulum before it's all said and done.
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Post by Marc on Apr 14, 2015 14:47:43 GMT
www.thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=1&submitform=NextReally interesting. I've done it twice and each time I ended up with Hull and Sunderland as the bottom two teams although my gut tells me that Sunderland will somehow manage to stay up because they always seem to manage it. Once I had us going down with them, another time Burnley was the other relegated team. It seems like all the momentum is with the teams that are currently in the bottom three but I: bet there will be another swing of the pendulum before it's all said and done. I have Sunderland, Leicester & Hull as the bottom 3 but that relies on us beating West Ham, Newcastle & Leicester although it does allow for a draw in one of those games.
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Post by rangerjake on Apr 14, 2015 15:12:21 GMT
In one scenario I had us drawing West Ham, losing to Liverpool, drawing Man City, beating Newcastle and losing to Leicester and still staying up!
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Post by harr on Apr 14, 2015 15:37:21 GMT
Theres no way in the world we will stay up unless we get ideally 36, possibly 35 and the very lowest 34 points as WBA did one year. Anything less than 34 you are ---------- in the wind.
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Post by corndog on Apr 14, 2015 18:16:37 GMT
www.thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=1&submitform=NextReally interesting. I've done it twice and each time I ended up with Hull and Sunderland as the bottom two teams although my gut tells me that Sunderland will somehow manage to stay up because they always seem to manage it. Once I had us going down with them, another time Burnley was the other relegated team. It seems like all the momentum is with the teams that are currently in the bottom three but I: bet there will be another swing of the pendulum before it's all said and done. I have Sunderland, Leicester & Hull as the bottom 3 but that relies on us beating West Ham, Newcastle & Leicester although it does allow for a draw in one of those games. I also had Leicester, Sunderland and Hull going down. But either way, it looks like three wins is a necessity unless we draw all of the games we don't win and get two wins. Also, I do believe Sunderland and Hull still have a good chance of going down either with us or Leicester.
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Post by harr on Apr 16, 2015 9:35:04 GMT
And of course with added confidence, two wins from two and looking at Leicester fixtures which are not bad at all. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Leicester's and Burnley will both stay up with QPR, Hull and Sunderland going down. That would hurt .
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 16, 2015 13:01:12 GMT
Don't like the fact that our rivals have one extra game to play (or Leicester have two)
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 25, 2015 19:18:31 GMT
4 Games left for us 3 Away
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 25, 2015 19:26:20 GMT
Aston V 34 -22 32 Hull 33 -14 31 Leicester 33 -16 31 _________________________________ Sunderd 33 -23 30 QPR 34 -21 27 Burnley 34 -26 26
BBC TABLE
No movement 1 Chelsea 32 39 76 Moving up 2 Man City 34 34 67 Moving down 3 Arsenal 32 31 66 Moving down 4 Man Utd 33 28 65 No movement 5 Liverpool 33 11 58 No movement 6 Tottenham 34 6 58 No movement 7 Southampton 34 21 57 No movement 8 Swansea 34 -3 50 No movement 9 Stoke 34 -3 47 No movement 10 West Ham 34 0 44 No movement 11 Crystal Palace 34 -5 42 No movement 12 Everton 33 -2 41 No movement 13 West Brom 34 -14 37 No movement 14 Newcastle 34 -21 35
No movement 15 Aston Villa 34 -22 32 Moving up 16 Hull 33 -14 31 Moving up 17 Leicester 33 -16 31 Moving down 18 Sunderland 33 -23 30 No movement 19 QPR 34 -21 27 No movement 20 Burnley 34 -26 26
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Post by harr on Apr 25, 2015 20:55:13 GMT
Us and Burnley are down.
One from Leics, Sunderland and Hull to join them. Fair play to Leics , 4 wins on the bounce .
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Post by nomar on Apr 25, 2015 22:48:45 GMT
Us and Burnley are down. One from Leics, Sunderland and Hull to join them. Fair play to Leics , 4 wins on the bounce . This.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 25, 2015 23:52:44 GMT
If we'd won four in a row - or even managed just once this season, two wins in a row
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 8:30:46 GMT
If we'd won four in a row - or even managed just once this season, two wins in a row Sadly, we can't even string 2 wins together let alone 4. We are a gutless, clueless team led by a joke of a Chairman. Fans are going to start turning on him soon. His stewardship has been a complete and total disaster.
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 26, 2015 9:35:47 GMT
The financial and Football League governance issues that will arise from relegation are far worse than the relegation itself.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 26, 2015 9:56:23 GMT
We'll get 25 million or more first yr parachute payment
Let a bunch of players go
Sell Austin 15 Million?
Phillips 5-10 Million?
I don't know if I'd reappoint Ramsey or not. But the club have to decide at latest right after season ends. Got things to do
I certainly don't have complete faith in the untried Les Ferdinand/Ramsey (or Tony) signing slew of players
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 14:15:34 GMT
We'll get 25 million or more first yr parachute payment Let a bunch of players go Sell Austin 15 Million? Phillips 5-10 Million? I don't know if I'd reappoint Ramsey or not. But the club have to decide at latest right after season ends. Got things to do I certainly don't have complete faith in the untried Les Ferdinand/Ramsey (or Tony) signing slew of players You trust TF and a big name manager more?
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Post by corndog on Apr 26, 2015 15:38:35 GMT
We'll get 25 million or more first yr parachute payment Let a bunch of players go Sell Austin 15 Million? Phillips 5-10 Million? I don't know if I'd reappoint Ramsey or not. But the club have to decide at latest right after season ends. Got things to do I certainly don't have complete faith in the untried Les Ferdinand/Ramsey (or Tony) signing slew of players Won't we have a transfer embargo?
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Post by harr on Apr 26, 2015 16:51:13 GMT
Lets not forget we got 10 Million Remy and 5 Million for Mutch that wasnt reinvested, for FFP?
Ramsey certainly looks a slight improvement on a poor Redknapp.
Any team that loses 11 consecutive away games, manages 2 points from 10 London Derbies, gets humiliated by Sheff Utd in the Cup and gets one player in the Jan transfer window not to even use him, maybe deserves going down.
Makes Tonys "Whos paying the cafe bill" pics back in November when half the supporters wanting rid look even more pathetic now.
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 18:28:12 GMT
Let's face it, we have no one to blame but ourselves. Yesterday we had a chance to keep in touch with the teams around us but, as usual, we looked the gift horse in the mouth then sent it on its way.
11 away games in a row without a single point to start the season is abject and utterly pathetic. Everyone employed by this club that is/was responsible for that abomination should hang their heads in shame.
I feel for the fans who pay hard earned money to watch this farce of a club, especially the ones who go to away games. At least I'll get a chance to see them at the new look Ashton Gate next season.
As for the players, I don't want to see any of them 'crying' or slumped on the pitch once our relegation is confirmed. They've had a whole season to get enough points to stay up and they've done everything humanly possible to eff things up every step of the way.
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Post by nomar on Apr 26, 2015 18:31:18 GMT
We'll get 25 million or more first yr parachute payment Let a bunch of players go Sell Austin 15 Million? Phillips 5-10 Million? I don't know if I'd reappoint Ramsey or not. But the club have to decide at latest right after season ends. Got things to do I certainly don't have complete faith in the untried Les Ferdinand/Ramsey (or Tony) signing slew of players Won't we have a transfer embargo? Probably not. But if we did then at least it'd stop us overspending on more sh*te players who think they're better than they really are.
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 7:20:59 GMT
Its hard to know for sure how many points are needed. For all we know 33 might be enough, with a superior GD. Or it could be as much as 37. Until the end of the season we won't know for sure. But we have to aim to get points from every game now. And, yes, I think we need a result against one of the 3 big boys on our remaining schedule. Last night reminded me of Wigan 2 years ago when we gave up a free kick equalizer in injury time. I really think that Benteke's free kick, that took 2 points away from us, is a gut-punch that's going to hurt us badly in the endgame. If we were to have got out of it and finished above three others at the minute 36 pts would do it with a better goal difference as a minimum. However Sunderland and Newcastle might pick up more points so we may have needed 37,38,39 Who would of thought that a few weeks ago.
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