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Post by harr on Oct 29, 2014 11:29:36 GMT
A good target for the end of a year is generally 20 points, usually we have played 20 games or so by then, this years it's 19 games. I think Warnock only managed 17 but we survived.
Obviously I don't want to get carried away here after a win as we still are behind where we hoped to be.
However, considering we will have played STOKE,HULL,VILLA, SUNDERLAND,LEICESTER,BURNLEY,WBA,PALACE at home before the end of the year .
We really might need above 20 pts at the end of December? If we left ourselves to get something like 5 wins and three draws in 2015 minimum.
Our 2015 Home games being SWANSEA MANU SOUTHAMPTON SPURS ARSENAL EVERTON CHELSEA WEST HAM NEWCASTLE
Much much tougher home games 2015
Of course we may not need 39-40 pts , maybe 37 will do again?
Most years 17-20 pts before the end of the year would be ok but with those home games may need a few more , would you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 20:50:21 GMT
That 20 pt target H is going to rely on good home form. With the teams we are playing that is achievable.
but things never are that easy so i reckon base the home points on an average between bad form and good form. I make that 8 points.
away form is crap. So again base on an average to be charitable. Could get 4 pts.
7+8+4 i make 19 points.
If we can get extra 3 or 4 points on that total i think were ok in 2015 to get a target that keeps us up. Below 19 points we are defo down.
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Post by harr on Oct 29, 2014 21:05:10 GMT
That 20 pt target H is going to rely on good home form. With the teams we are playing that is achievable. but things never are that easy so i reckon base the home points on an average between bad form and good form. I make that 8 points. away form is crap. So again base on an average to be charitable. Could get 4 pts. 7+8+4 i make 19 points. If we can get extra 3 or 4 points on that total i think were ok in 2015 to get a target that keeps us up. Below 19 points we are defo down.a Yeah agree Maude , if we can win two of those bottom team games with a draw or two , think it's achievable . Dont like the look at those home games though thro next year . Pretty amazing how that has worked out . Im going to hope we have something like 20-22 if that's possible . Reckon we will ok then . Lets see what we can get from Chelsea ,City and Newcastle , not a lot probably but you never know ??
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Post by corndog on Oct 29, 2014 21:23:20 GMT
I agree, looking at the schedule the easier matches are on the road and tough home matches, where it's mostly the opposite for the matches remaining in this year. Have to get a surprise result or two, but I think it's possible if they keep playing at this level.
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Post by harr on Oct 29, 2014 22:11:55 GMT
I agree, looking at the schedule the easier matches are on the road and tough home matches, where it's mostly the opposite for the matches remaining in this year. Have to get a surprise result or two, but I think it's possible if they keep playing at this level. Maybe just maybe Corndog we can get our travelling act on in 2015 . When we will be going to Palace,Hull,Sunderland,Leicester,Stoke,WBA,Villa and Burnley Should be able to get a couple of away wins at these or just make sure we don't lose them . Usually thro the season you get a mix of top and bottom teams home and away, really strange how it has worked this season.
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Post by sharky on Oct 29, 2014 23:42:39 GMT
Out of the relegation zone would be good for me whatever points that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 23:53:15 GMT
19 - 23 points by end of 2014 and we are in good shape.
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Post by harr on Oct 30, 2014 8:00:36 GMT
Four wins , four losses and two draws . Is that achievable from 10 games ? Possibly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 0:10:54 GMT
That scum result was expected. But we done well, need the momentum of the team playing to keep on so we can reach our target for 2014.
I have a feeling that man city game is more important than to right it off. I reckon at least a draw is needed to gain us a much needed point, but more importantly to keep momentum going. i fear heads will drop if we go into our 'winnable' games on the back of two defeats, even though it wasnt expected.
1 point from man city is huge.
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Post by harr on Nov 2, 2014 0:21:27 GMT
That scum result was expected. But we done well, need the momentum of the team playing to keep on so we can reach our target for 2014. I have a feeling that man city game is more important than to right it off. I reckon at least a draw is needed to gain us a much needed point, but more importantly to keep momentum going. i fear heads will drop if we go into our 'winnable' games on the back of two defeats, even though it wasnt expected. 1 point from man city is huge. Yes agree re the point . Now that would read win 4 , draw 2 and lose 3 of the next nine. Like you say a defeat against City and at SJP would mean we would have to get something from nearly every game if this happened. We have now played Man U , Spurs , Chelsea and Liiverpool with no points. Was we expected to get any , probably not but it just means we have to win against the bottom teams something we were rubbish at doing 2011-12. 2012-13 seasons .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 0:38:32 GMT
Its in november that the teams at the bottom show an insight into how they are geared up for the rest of the season.
picking up a point or two of the big boys whilst maintaining home form against the middle/bottom clubs.
its crucial we get points from the 'not expected to win' games , if only to mimimize pressure from games expected to win.
its going to be tight to reach our target , dont you think H ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 0:48:29 GMT
We've got to be more dog
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Post by timewaster on Nov 2, 2014 3:19:25 GMT
Newcastle may be the away game where we cause an upset They have been on a really good run and it is time for them to lose form again
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Post by harr on Nov 2, 2014 10:26:02 GMT
Its in november that the teams at the bottom show an insight into how they are geared up for the rest of the season. picking up a point or two of the big boys whilst maintaining home form against the middle/bottom clubs. its crucial we get points from the 'not expected to win' games , if only to mimimize pressure from games expected to win. its going to be tight to reach our target , dont you think H ? If we don't get any points against City or Newcastle , IMO we won't hit that end of year target 20-22 pts. Couldn't see us getting four wins , two draws from those 7. We would have to better in 2015 but then all our home games are far far tougher. As it stands Harry has got 7 pts from 10 games , still interested to see what we have after 12. It's great we are playing better but points count . Now we have Palace v Sunderland Monday , we seem to be hoping for draws in these sorts of games to keep the damage down. Exactly like you say Maude you have to take the odd point from the top teams to make up for the few you expect to get against the bottom teams . Something we failed to do against Spurs,ManU,Southampton,WH,Liverpool and Chelsea. Zero points but a couple of very decent performances in there and a good 2nd half at Saints. As I see the table this morning we are 4-5 points behind where we could have hoped to be.
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Post by Dufster on Nov 2, 2014 11:12:11 GMT
4-5 point were lost in the Hull, Liverpool games.....H you just state the obvious and push out negativity all the time!
Our form and mentatlity will decide where we are and they look to be improving by the game!
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Post by harr on Nov 2, 2014 13:04:21 GMT
4-5 point were lost in the Hull, Liverpool games.....H you just state the obvious and push out negativity all the time! Our form and mentatlity will decide where we are and they look to be improving by the game! Can't really say that's being negative I am not taking anything away from the performances of late and stated this. Just saying where I thought we probably hoped to be and where we are now . Maybe you thought we would be 19th after 10 games though but then again your posts aren't obvious ones are they. At the moment we are playing good stuff but are 19th for a reason not because of the last 3 games but the seven before...there you go more obvious stuff . I didn't expect us to get anything from Chelsea at the start of the season but I did expect us to have a few more than 7 pts after 10 games if that makes me a negative poster so be it but tough.
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Post by Bushman on Nov 2, 2014 20:51:18 GMT
4-5 point were lost in the Hull, Liverpool games.....H you just state the obvious and push out negativity all the time! Our form and mentatlity will decide where we are and they look to be improving by the game! Can't really say that's being negative I am not taking anything away from the performances of late and stated this. Just saying where I thought we probably hoped to be and where we are now . Maybe you thought we would be 19th after 10 games though but then again your posts aren't obvious ones are they. At the moment we are playing good stuff but are 19th for a reason not because of the last 3 games but the seven before...there you go more obvious stuff . I didn't expect us to get anything from Chelsea at the start of the season but I did expect us to have a few more than 7 pts after 10 games if that makes me a negative poster so be it but tough. Stop being negative Harls. We have 7pts from 10 games. Join the happy clappers brigade mate!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 21:40:38 GMT
4-5 point were lost in the Hull, Liverpool games.....H you just state the obvious and push out negativity all the time! Our form and mentatlity will decide where we are and they look to be improving by the game! dont like it dont post. Maybe tweet fernandes on how great he is and how well he is doing with the club and new stadium and training facilities etc etc etc etc.....
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 8:22:39 GMT
Thanks BMan I am trying , I promise. I just can't help stating the obvious
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Post by Dufster on Nov 3, 2014 9:00:59 GMT
4-5 point were lost in the Hull, Liverpool games.....H you just state the obvious and push out negativity all the time! Our form and mentatlity will decide where we are and they look to be improving by the game! dont like it dont post. Maybe tweet fernandes on how great he is and how well he is doing with the club and new stadium and training facilities etc etc etc etc..... Oooh ark at her!
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 3, 2014 10:04:47 GMT
9 More QPR Games in 2014... NOVEMBER: Man C (H) Newcstle (A) Leicstr (H) DECEMBER: Swansea (A) Burnly (H) Evertn (A) WBA (H) Arsenl (A) Crystal P (H) What's the minimum we need? I think at least 9 or 12 Currently of course, have 7 points from 10 games www.bbc.com/sport/football/tablesHughes when he left had 4 points from 12 games (and no wins)
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 11:35:11 GMT
9 More QPR Games in 2014... NOVEMBER: Man C (H) Newcstle (A) Leicstr (H) DECEMBER: Swansea (A) Burnly (H) Evertn (A) WBA (H) Arsenl (A) Crystal P (H) What's the minimum we need? I think at least 9 or 12 Currently of course, have 7 points from 10 games www.bbc.com/sport/football/tablesHughes when he left had 4 points from 12 games (and no wins) ( What's the minimum we need? I think at least 9 or 12) I think even twelve would be light Mac bearing in mind our home fixtures are far far tougher in 2015 I think 13-14 but hey I'm just negative for even mentioning points.
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 11:45:13 GMT
9 More QPR Games in 2014... NOVEMBER: Man C (H) Newcstle (A) Leicstr (H) DECEMBER: Swansea (A) Burnly (H) Evertn (A) WBA (H) Arsenl (A) Crystal P (H) What's the minimum we need? I think at least 9 or 12 Currently of course, have 7 points from 10 games www.bbc.com/sport/football/tablesHughes when he left had 4 points from 12 games (and no wins) Hey Mac you put the current form link up there, very negative that ! Yes correct re Hughes 4 draws 8 losses wasn't this the worst run of games in Prem history for a Prem team not winning a game at a start of season or something ? Redknapp currently 2 Wins ,1 draw and 7 losses .
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 12:00:16 GMT
Just for ref Mac At the halfway stage last year (19 games) the three relegated teams had .....
FULHAM 16 pts CARDIFF 18 pts NORWICH 19 pts Sunderland and Palace were both down there too but they had just or were soon to change there Managers West Ham were down there too with Big Sam and he pulled them out the mess in 2014.
ADD - Warnock had 17 pts at the 19 game stage 2011-12 and the 20 Hughes got us took us to 37 and safety . I think our second half season home games that year were a bit easier that 2015 although Hughes tended to lose to those and beat the big teams .
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Post by kilburnhoop on Nov 3, 2014 13:40:28 GMT
Interesting, but as ever your not showing the real picture!
After 10 games last year the relegated teams Fulham 10 Cardiff 12 Norwich 8. Palace had 3 and sunderland 4 stoke 9 and all stayed up comfortbably. So all this comparing actually means sod all!
Your right about us holding the record 16 games without a win from the start of the season. I have not seen Burnleys next 7 or so fixtures but they are currently on 10 without a win.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 3, 2014 13:46:57 GMT
Of course even if Burnley go down, that leaves two more teams to go with them!
Bottom line: We can discuss it.
The Club can quote Tony and Harry from here to eternity...
About what we're going to do/or should have done/or how close we were/or how better we got. But the only tangible is points gained - and compared to other clubs
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Post by kilburnhoop on Nov 3, 2014 14:00:13 GMT
Who is suggesting we cant discuss it??
Fact is we have had a difficult run of away games to start the season and we have improved. Granted we only have 7 points.
What do you expect the club to say, we are crap and doomed?
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 14:51:14 GMT
Interesting, but as ever your not showing the real picture! After 10 games last year the relegated teams Fulham 10 Cardiff 12 Norwich 8. Palace had 3 and sunderland 4 stoke 9 and all stayed up comfortbably. So all this comparing actually means sod all! Your right about us holding the record 16 games without a win from the start of the season. I have not seen Burnleys next 7 or so fixtures but they are currently on 10 without a win. The topic of the thread was halfway stage, hence why I put up 19 games scores Kilburn I certainly wasn't covering putting up anthing else . The posts on the board board are a reflection of feelings on the matches, management, board, players etc that's exactly what I will do be it positive or negative
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Post by kilburnhoop on Nov 3, 2014 15:04:26 GMT
10 games 19 games no difference. We need to finish above 3 teams to stay up. That could be 45 or 25 points, thats my point.
We are currently 2 points from safety.
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Post by harr on Nov 3, 2014 15:25:55 GMT
10 games 19 games no difference. We need to finish above 3 teams to stay up. That could be 45 or 25 points, thats my point. We are currently 2 points from safety. Yes I take that point on board Kilburn . We will finish above Burnley, need to find two more I never expected us to be mid table that's for sure . its all about team permances and points if we pick up a win against City or Newcastle we will be in a better place and less pressure on having to win those four home games against bottom half teams. As you know we never do things the easy way and one of those 4 teams might bite us on the bottom.
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