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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Oct 10, 2014 11:09:32 GMT
This team needs a Brain, a Heart, and a Nerve. (Wizard of Oz), before they need a new manager. Harry needs to instill a bit of courage and heart into the team...
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Post by harr on Oct 10, 2014 12:59:36 GMT
Exactly what I said yesterday so if we cannot put a finger on what keeps going wrong why change the manager now?
We tried changing managers before and the same unknown thing keeps going wrong so maybe whatever it is may not be the manager.
Not convinced 57 Harry looks disinterested to me and not sure Jordan and Bond are not doing enough or getting it right ? Prepared to give them 4-5 games, if there's no improvement I want rid . No point sticking just for sake of it, changing after Hughes with Rednapp didn't work, changing after Redknapp with Pulis or another might well work . One thing for sure 11-12 games is almost a third of a season if things look crap then it won't be getting any better. Want 10 - 11 points (2 wins or 2 wins + draw from 5 fixtures) minimum after Newcastle, anything less he can do one . B.ee.rwould also like to see better fitness, more chasing the ball, better defending, more threat up front, more passion and shouting from the touchline, more of a consistent team formation , more of Adel and Nedum playing then I might just start getting confidence in that Rednapp is still the man to Manage QPR in the Premier League
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 13:07:35 GMT
1. Lets now face it, not many Managers could do worse. 2. You only have to look at him on match-day, he is not up to it and like other managers, he just sits and looks like he does not care, which if we as fans notice, what do think the players think... 3. The best job is not living in the past, buying players from yesteryear, we need good solid players today and not the ones that have just been relegated from other clubs.
It's really a shame that he has not made it happen, I listen to all his press conferences and they are very much the same...He says: The opposition: They are a great team, great manager and should do well this season, they are also normally not a team we should be worried about dropping points against as we would not be fighting them in a relegation battle. I found these comments to be just absolutely outstanding, what negativity from what used to be a great manager. My thoughts are he should have retired at the end of last season, when we were promoted. It is very true, that if another manager came in and turned things around with the same set of players, HR would look so bad, but it could happen. Mr Pulis can do this job, he has done it before and he could do it again, we need a team that is fit and that can chase the ball and not one that turns and runs away.
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Post by nomar on Oct 10, 2014 14:06:05 GMT
To be fair, if HR goes then Pulis probably fits in with TF's craving for a high profile manager who is flavour of the month.
The right man for this club imo is Kenny Jackett. But there's no media mileage in Jackett so he'd be so far down on Tony's list that I'd probably stand more of a chance of an interview than he would.
Pulis took over a Palace team wuth a completely different club culture than QPR. It worked in part because Palace's dressing room didn't have players with their own personal agendas or egos that meant they considered it beneath them to work hard every day and twice as much on match days.
Pulis looked to make the same sort of changes that Hughes tried to make here to Palace's infrastructure. It didn't work here because Hughes had a bunch of primadonnas. This club still has the air of a club where the players do what they want and get away with it.
At Palace the club already had a disciplined mindset so it was easier for Pulis to get the players to buy into what he wanted. Look what happened when Harry tried to discipline our players.
Palace has a chairman that won't spend ridiculous money to buy big names, allegedly something that caused Pulis to walk away from them.
So, the things that made Pulis work at Palace are not in place here.
It's hard to see how Pulis here would fare any better than Hughes or Redknapp given that the same culture and club philosophy still remains deeply entrenched and ingrained in this clubs current DNA.
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Post by harr on Oct 10, 2014 14:08:27 GMT
Let's see if he delivers us some points then against Liverpool, Villa, Chelsea, City and Newcastle If our performances are and as bad as five of the first seven this season you will only see posts from me saying "Harry Go"! Pulis and even a younger untried Sherwood would be good with me . Sherwoods not that experienced but hungry so that will help plus Knows Les well and most of of our Ex Spurs players already. Can't think of any others that I would really want than those two at the minute and they get my vote of confidence already. HAS TO BE WORTH A GO !
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Post by harr on Oct 10, 2014 14:22:09 GMT
To be fair, if HR goes then Pulis probably fits in with TF's craving for a high profile manager who is flavour of the month. The right man for this club imo is Kenny Jackett. But there's no media mileage in Jackett so he'd be so far down on Tony's list that I'd probably stand more of a chance of an interview than he would. Pulis took over a Palace team wuth a completely different club culture than QPR. It worked in part because Palace's dressing room didn't have players with their own personal agendas or egos that meant they considered it beneath them to work hard every day and twice as much on match days. Pulis looked to make the same sort of changes that Hughes tried to make here to Palace's infrastructure. It didn't work here because Hughes had a bunch of primadonnas. This club still has the air of a club where the players do what they want and get away with it. At Palace the club already had a disciplined mindset so it was easier for Pulis to get the players to buy into what he wanted. Look what happened when Harry tried to discipline our players. Palace has a chairman that won't spend ridiculous money to buy big names, allegedly something that caused Pulis to walk away from them. So, the things that made Pulis work at Palace are not in place here. It's hard to see how Pulis here would fare any better than Hughes or Redknapp given that the same culture and club philosophy still remains deeply entrenched and ingrained in this clubs current DNA. I agree with most of this Nomar but you can't say how the Palace dressing room as we don't really know. Pulis turned that failing team around , Poyet took over a a Sunderland team with one point and turned that around. There dressing rooms may not have been a lot worse than the one Redknapp walked into? Redknapp joined us and couldn't turn us around . I don't want it to go to many more games otherwise I don't think we will be turned around again? Redknapp was a decent Manager at Spurs but that's a very different animal to being a QPR Manager The more and more articles I read like this I wonder .... IS REDKNAPP QPR MATERIAL ? In 30 years as a football manager, Redknapp has won just one trophy. Aside from Portsmouth's fortuitous FA Cup win in 2008, he has experienced relegation with Bournemouth, Southampton and now QPR. The fawning and fascination with a man who traditionally excels outside the Premier League is baffling. (+ play off trophy now)
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 10, 2014 14:40:43 GMT
Whether you think the problem is with TF or not, I think everyone has to admit that changing HR would have an impact on how well the team are doing. We have a complete lack of tactics, every week it's a completely different team in a different formation, it just doesn't work.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 10, 2014 15:35:21 GMT
Its the players, not the manager. Rob Green and defence stand around and watch a corner go in. Green points fingers at everyone. Later he kicks a ball directly at a W. Ham player who kicks into net. Why? What is he trying to prove? Never seen anything like that in my life.
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Post by nomar on Oct 10, 2014 16:01:49 GMT
Its the players, not the manager. Rob Green and defence stand around and watch a corner go in. Green points fingers at everyone. Later he kicks a ball directly at a W. Ham player who kicks into net. Why? What is he trying to prove? Never seen anything like that in my life. The players are an extension of the club though. Against Spurs this team apparently turned up and lay down like tranquilised lambs. Same against Utd. Leicester and Burnley played Utd hard. They ran their socks off. As Wally Downes jnr said on open all R's, those 2 promoted teams you know they're going to give it a go. Our lot turn up looking like all they need to do is stroke a few passes around and the opposition will be in awe of us. That attitude surely comes from a philosophy where signing glitzy players always trumps over bringing in unheralded grafters.
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Post by terryb on Oct 10, 2014 16:51:56 GMT
IMO the players attitude is a direct mirror of the team's management.
To defend corners & free kicks sucessfully, you need to spend a long time on the training pitch prasctising these drills. Then repeating this time & again. When he took over at Palace, this was all Pullis worked on for about his first month.
Mayber I'm wrong, but I would be confident that we don't follow this at all. Players that played under Harold in the past have stated that his teams are sent on to the pitch & expected to make all the adjustments themselves.
While this should be possible for footballers (not just professional) it would look at though we don't have many players capable of this. Perhaps this is due to professionals normally not being allowed to think for themselves.
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Post by steveb66 on Oct 10, 2014 21:08:22 GMT
One thing I have been doing recently is buying in to the argument that Harry has lost his sparkle, looks fed up and perhaps the team are feeding off his negative body language....
I also feel that, perhaps we are being too emotive and reading too much in to this. Redknapp has never been one for inane celebrations, take for example his relatively calm and honest reaction to our Play Off Final victory compared to say Fernandes who was going mental. He is perhaps not one like a Wenger or Mourinho who's emotions run so high they are prepared to fight on the touch line over the who wins a throw on!! Harry has always spoken about other managers, teams in much the same way and let's face it he has been the first to admit that he is dreadful to be around when any team that he manages gets defeated.
Having been very much in the pro HR camp I suffered a huge wobble after hearing some of the articulate and passionate fans and ex players who spoke on the Cundy and Goldstein show on Talksport earlier in the week. Having read all the press and listened and read countless opinions on where our deficiencies lie I still can't help but conclude that I have more questions than answers but that we have to keep Harry in charge for the next six games and beyond IF he can turn our fortunes around.
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Post by timewaster on Oct 10, 2014 22:34:43 GMT
Pulis does seem the right choice because he demands 100% from the players every game. The trouble is Mark Hughes also demands 100% from his players but could not get it from our lot, apart from end of season when we just stayed up.
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Post by harr on Oct 13, 2014 8:48:22 GMT
QPR to appoint Glenn Hoddle as manager if downward spiral continues under Harry Redknapp Oct 11, 2014 22:30 By Dave Kidd The Rs have won just one of their opening seven games this season and sit bottom with fixtures against Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City to come Not triffic: Will struggling QPR ditch Redknapp (left) and hand the reins to Hoddle (right)? QPR owner Tony Fernandes will turn to Glenn Hoddle if Harry Redknapp cannot halt the Hoops' dismal early-season form. Redknapp’s job is on the line with QPR bottom of the Premier League after five defeats in their first seven games – and with Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester City to come in their next four fixtures. Fernandes is unlikely to pull the trigger soon, but club sources say former England boss Hoddle, who joined the coaching set-up this summer, will be the prime candidate to take over if a change is made. QPR legend Les Ferdinand has returned to the club as Head of Football Operations, but 56-year-old Hoddle is said to be in front of Ferdinand or his close ally Tim Sherwood should Fernandes dispatch of the vastly experienced Redknapp. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/qpr-appoint-glenn-hoddle-manager-4420305#ixzz3G0oZfA6U Follow us: @dailymirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
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Post by harr on Oct 13, 2014 8:53:02 GMT
Pressure grows on QPR boss Harry Redknapp as rock-bottom Hoops face hellish run of fixtures Oct 12, 2014 22:30 By John Cross Chairman Fernandes is increasingly concerned over the Londoners' situation and 3 of their next 4 games are against Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City Jamie McDonaldHairy, Redknapp: QPR will leave "no stone unturned" as they fight to avoid relegation Harry Redknapp is under mounting pressure at Queens Park Rangers. QPR chairman Tony Fernandes is growing increasingly concerned about the club's plight in the Premier League after their poor start to the campaign. Manager Redknapp is under no illusion that results must improve - but the west Londoners' next four games are against Liverpool, Aston Villa, Chelsea and Manchester City. It looks a difficult task, and further talks are planned this week among the hierarchy to discuss the club's situation. Fernandes has already promised to leave "no stone unturned" in their battle to stay up and has already shaken up things behind the scenes. Les Ferdinand, the former QPR striker, has been appointed as head of football operations to oversee coaching, recruitment and the academy. They appointed former England manager Glenn Hoddle to the coaching staff earlier in the season to join Redknapp and his back-room team of Kevin Bond and Joe Jordan. But results have been disappointing and they are rooted to the foot of the Premier League. Fernandes and Redknapp both mentioned fitness levels need to improve last week and that remains an area of concern as to why the players have not been competing. Mirror Sport revealed last week that a new contract offer to Redknapp has been withdrawn and that looks increasingly ominous. Redknapp's position is still in danger and the ex-Spurs boss looks vulnerable as he remains the bookies' favourite to be the next Premier League manager to lose his job. www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pressure-grows-qpr-boss-harry-4425564#ixzz3G0siPZKF Follow us: @dailymirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 13, 2014 9:40:54 GMT
Not sure if I'd want Pulis. But I have no great desire to see either Hoddle or sherwood replace Redknapp
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Post by jjqpr on Oct 13, 2014 19:22:50 GMT
Not sure if I'd want Pulis. But I have no great desire to see either Hoddle or sherwood replace Redknapp Who would you want then?
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 13:35:24 GMT
Wonder if TF has an idea of how many points he would expect from our next two home games.
Maybe a point v Liverpool and Villa win 4 pts or would that be too much to expect? Maybe just a Villa win , three points from next two?
Anything less than 3 pts would consist as a failure surely, then you are bottom with just 4 pts to your name.
On paper 3-4 points looks achievable at home ?
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Post by kilburnhoop on Oct 14, 2014 19:57:13 GMT
Wonder if TF has an idea of how many points he would expect from our next two home games. Maybe a point v Liverpool and Villa win 4 pts or would that be too much to expect? Maybe just a Villa win , three points from next two? Anything less than 3 pts would consist as a failure surely, then you are bottom with just 4 pts to your name. On paper 3-4 points looks achievable at home ? How many points do you reckon we should have on the board by now then? Considering we were lucky to get promoted (so everyone keeps mentioning) and the bookies favourites to go straight back down? Do you really think we should be getting 3-4 points in our next 2 games?. Liverpool and Villa are 9th and 10th with liverpool a champions league club.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 14, 2014 20:12:08 GMT
We should have only what we have. We really seem unable to take on any opponents with gusto nor conviction. If we play Liverpool the same way, and I don't see anything that looks like that will
change, (if it does, I would be over the moon), but if it doesn't, It stands to reason doesn't it, that three of the last four seasons, under the Fernandes Reign, they have been unable to assemble
a competitive organization Premier fit. What they have been good enough for is embarrassment and huge debt.
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 20:40:04 GMT
Wonder if TF has an idea of how many points he would expect from our next two home games. Maybe a point v Liverpool and Villa win 4 pts or would that be too much to expect? Maybe just a Villa win , three points from next two? Anything less than 3 pts would consist as a failure surely, then you are bottom with just 4 pts to your name. On paper 3-4 points looks achievable at home ? How many points do you reckon we should have on the board by now then? Considering we were lucky to get promoted (so everyone keeps mentioning) and the bookies favourites to go straight back down? Do you really think we should be getting 3-4 points in our next 2 games?. Liverpool and Villa are 9th and 10th with liverpool a champions league club. Hi Kilburn, well more than four that's for sure. I would have hoped for two wins from Hull,Sund and Stoke and maybe point or two in draws . 7-8 points . Not quite sure why we were bookies fav to go down would have thought Burnley . Well if we weren't in the situation we are in I would have said no we wouldn't have needed 3-4 points but as we are bottom of the League I see Villa at Home as a game we must win. If we can sneak another point great. As I don't see us getting anything from games 10 and 11, I think it's imperative we get a win. I know you keep telling me it's early days and it is but we still need wins and I see our best chance at Home.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Oct 14, 2014 20:52:17 GMT
We could easily have more points on the board and maybe less but we have 4. We reaped 4 points from city h chelsea a the year we went down, so who knows. Im just not buying this we are doomed already talk and clubs in turmoil etc etc etc. Give it a few weeks and everyone will be asking what the fuss was about, watch this space
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 21:02:26 GMT
We could easily have more points on the board and maybe less but we have 4. We reaped 4 points from city h chelsea a the year we went down, so who knows. Im just not buying this we are doomed already talk and clubs in turmoil etc etc etc. Give it a few weeks and everyone will be asking what the fuss was about, watch this space We could of poss have three more if we beat Hull but didn't deserve anything from others. I don't think we are doomed at all but would like a change from Redknapp if he doesn't start picking up points. I really hope so Kilburn then you can tell us daily how wrong we got it . Harry still has time but less than before the start of the season I reckon.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Oct 14, 2014 21:15:15 GMT
We could easily have more points on the board and maybe less but we have 4. We reaped 4 points from city h chelsea a the year we went down, so who knows. Im just not buying this we are doomed already talk and clubs in turmoil etc etc etc. Give it a few weeks and everyone will be asking what the fuss was about, watch this space We could of poss have three more if we beat Hull but didn't deserve anything from others. I don't think we are doomed at all but would like a change from Redknapp if he doesn't start picking up points. I really hope so Kilburn then you can tell us daily how wrong we got it . Harry still has time but less than before the start of the season I reckon. Dont do I told you so's!
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 21:52:32 GMT
We could of poss have three more if we beat Hull but didn't deserve anything from others. I don't think we are doomed at all but would like a change from Redknapp if he doesn't start picking up points. I really hope so Kilburn then you can tell us daily how wrong we got it . Harry still has time but less than before the start of the season I reckon. Dont do I told you so's! Ok Kilburn . Aways good to discuss a difference of opinion. Really hope we stay up whoever at the helm. For the record I certainly don't just blame Redknapp for the slow start I have know idea how good the other two are and of course they are supposedly doing a lot of work for him. Also the fitness and friendlies in the summer who organised these ?
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Post by timewaster on Oct 14, 2014 22:10:09 GMT
Ok Kilburn . Aways good to discuss a difference of opinion. Really hope we stay up whoever at the helm. For the record I certainly don't just blame Redknapp for the slow start I have know idea how good the other two are and of course they are supposedly doing a lot of work for him. Also the fitness and friendlies in the summer who organised these ? I blame Arry He should of made sure we had decent pre-season games and worked on players fitness
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 22:21:06 GMT
Ok Kilburn . Aways good to discuss a difference of opinion. Really hope we stay up whoever at the helm. For the record I certainly don't just blame Redknapp for the slow start I have know idea how good the other two are and of course they are supposedly doing a lot of work for him. Also the fitness and friendlies in the summer who organised these ? I blame Arry He should of made sure we had decent pre-season games and worked on players fitness Was that just Harrys call though the friendlies or others Andrew.
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Post by timewaster on Oct 14, 2014 22:23:47 GMT
I blame Arry He should of made sure we had decent pre-season games and worked on players fitness Was that just Harrys call though the friendlies or others Andrew. I dont really know but I liked the pre-season more under Hughes, even though it made no difference to the teams performances
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Post by harr on Oct 14, 2014 22:28:36 GMT
I think the Club arranged the fixtures and Redknapp confirmed them as acceptable Andrew but I don't think they were great games.
We took to long again in getting players in again too .
Once we lost out on Sidwell and Bryson , things really stalled.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:31:48 GMT
Our board and high profile manager had caught themselves in a bit of limbo.
expectations of signings mixed with players not really wanting to sign for qpr have led to us getting the last pay day footballers and internationals that are not worth taking the chance with.
caulker and mutch are players that play good in a team.which we do not have.
barton is over hyped judas.
phillips and hoilett aint premiership.
austin is an exception to all of the above. But i do worry.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 15, 2014 2:34:08 GMT
But they don't Maude me old mucker. Satisfied is our Owner and Board with a group of overpaid underachievers and a manager resting on past achievements, no growth in structure, youth development, no silverware, nor Cup runs, watch them play at a slow jaunt. Then dream about a new stadium in Old Oak. We shouldn't either worry, they are what they are.
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