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Post by Bushman on Oct 6, 2014 12:15:42 GMT
Pre-Season, I really didn't think it was going to be a struggle. We had "Lessons Learned" and we werent going to dismantle or radically change our promotion squad. Evolution not revolution There's an excuse for injuries. I don't think theres any excuse for the other players not to be fit. And there's no excuse for a poor pre-season schedule - whoever was responsible. That's incompetence As for Remy going: Yes there are excuses. We thought he was staying. But that in of itself showed a total faith in a player! Who they knew had a get out clause!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 12:23:08 GMT
It's not clear that someone will do better than Redknapp
And it's not clear that an impassive demeanor means he doesnt care.
He probably/presumably believes he can best do this job.
Step One is having the confidence of the players. If he does, then a good case can be made for sticking with him.
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 12:33:17 GMT
Our primary Target this season is survival, so I think its way too early to be talking like this...the last thing we need is a change of management. Got to stick with it and give them some more time! We went back into this incredibly difficult division knowing we had a solid nucleus of players but still needing additional fire power and further strengthening at the back. But we only got what we could in that window. They definatley didnt get enough pre season and a lot of players did come in late....we saw that in the warm up games! Agreed the team have got to dig in fight for each other and us get behind them, but if we can improve our point average a little bit until the January window then we wont be in too bad a shape! (IMO Hull were incredibly lucky to get 3 points on opening match day) We've got a good Chairman who will look to get in a few others (Defoe?) to give us the push we'll need for the second half of the season. Lets not let the situation control us, instead control the situation! 17th Place....I'll shake hands with anyone for that right now! To be honest Duffster might be too late when Defoe or whoever arrives we could be adrift by then ? and if I am really Frank as much I rate Defoe am getting a little bit board of REDKNAPP just signing his ex players . Defoe and Crouch next , who would follow Teddy Sheringham . I have zero confidence in REDKNAPP and the other two (not inc Hoddle ) of getting anything out of this season. Redknapps 5 wins in 33 QPR Prem games says it all for me. God know how much all these coaches cost and that's not including Ferdinand yet?
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 6, 2014 12:41:33 GMT
Dufster - You're on! I am willing to absolutely guarantee 17th place in return for £178m. How quickly can you organise the funds? HR must turn this around. The consequences of relegation are too horrible to contemplate.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 12:52:51 GMT
The consequences of relegation are too horrible to contemplate. Being serious: Just how bad are the consequences of Relegation?
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Post by Dufster on Oct 6, 2014 13:35:04 GMT
Dufster - You're on! I am willing to absolutely guarantee 17th place in return for £178m. How quickly can you organise the funds? HR must turn this around. The consequences of relegation are too horrible to contemplate. Blatant old bean, my enquiry on how to raise funds is in with my financial advisor as we speak. As soon as she's done the school run and picked up dinner I'll have an answer for you! Would you consider a player swap in stead of cash! He's only 5 years old at the moment but could be a great investment?
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Post by Dufster on Oct 6, 2014 14:11:48 GMT
Our primary Target this season is survival, so I think its way too early to be talking like this...the last thing we need is a change of management. Got to stick with it and give them some more time! We went back into this incredibly difficult division knowing we had a solid nucleus of players but still needing additional fire power and further strengthening at the back. But we only got what we could in that window. They definatley didnt get enough pre season and a lot of players did come in late....we saw that in the warm up games! Agreed the team have got to dig in fight for each other and us get behind them, but if we can improve our point average a little bit until the January window then we wont be in too bad a shape! (IMO Hull were incredibly lucky to get 3 points on opening match day) We've got a good Chairman who will look to get in a few others (Defoe?) to give us the push we'll need for the second half of the season. Lets not let the situation control us, instead control the situation! 17th Place....I'll shake hands with anyone for that right now! To be honest Duffster might be too late when Defoe or whoever arrives we could be adrift by then ? and if I am really Frank as much I rate Defoe am getting a little bit board of REDKNAPP just signing his ex players . Defoe and Crouch next , who would follow Teddy Sheringham . I have zero confidence in REDKNAPP and the other two (not inc Hoddle ) of getting anything out of this season. Redknapps 5 wins in 33 QPR Prem games says it all for me. God know how much all these coaches cost and that's not including Ferdinand yet?
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Post by Dufster on Oct 6, 2014 14:28:17 GMT
Fair Comment Harr - The stats are there for inspection, I just dont see the value in using them at this time as our last Premiership soiree was under different circumstance.
I guess my point is that we are 3 places off out target position of 17th! Do we expect better than that " Absolutley"
Although Hope is not a strategy to rely on, I think we have to give the current Management team and players more time to bring it all togther....can they do it? " I hope so"
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 6, 2014 14:47:53 GMT
Dufster - You're on! I am willing to absolutely guarantee 17th place in return for £178m. How quickly can you organise the funds? HR must turn this around. The consequences of relegation are too horrible to contemplate. Blatant old bean, my enquiry on how to raise funds is in with my financial advisor as we speak. As soon as she's done the school run and picked up dinner I'll have an answer for you! Would you consider a player swap in stead of cash! He's only 5 years old at the moment but could be a great investment?
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 6, 2014 15:03:23 GMT
The consequences of relegation are too horrible to contemplate. Being serious: Just how bad are the consequences of Relegation? To answer this seriously I would divide my answer into a realistic best case and realistic worst case. The truth would be somewhere in the middle Best Case- TF remains as chairman and (with partners) continues to own QPR and underwrite the club debt - TF does this because he can still achieve the Old Oak Common project despite the relegation - The QPR debt grows - The FFP rules are applied but are defeated when challenged in court. QPR are not penalised - QPR return to the Premiership at the first attempt Worst Case - TF can no longer achieve the Old Oak common project and consequently puts QPR up for sale (like he did with Caterham) - Assets including Loftus Road and all saleable players are realised to mitigate against the outstanding shareholder debt - QPR are immediately penalised on FFP rules but cannot/will not pay the penalty. This results in relegation to the next tier outside the Football League - Despite measures taken to raise money through saleable assets and reduce outgoings the QPR debt can no longer be serviced and the club is put into administration/bankruptcy (as per Pompey). Further footballing sanctions apply for going into administration - QPR start their first season in the Conference with a minimal squad of free transfers, loans and youth players - No buyer is found for the club and QPR is wound up in the high court - All players are released, QPR results and fixtures are expunged and QPR ceases to exist
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 15:27:37 GMT
Fair Comment Harr - The stats are there for inspection, I just dont see the value in using them at this time as our last Premiership soiree was under different circumstance. I guess my point is that we are 3 places off out target position of 17th! Do we expect better than that " Absolutley" Although Hope is not a strategy to rely on, I think we have to give the current Management team and players more time to bring it all togther....can they do it? " I hope so" Well we either wait or don't I guess Dufster. Personally by game 12 (same as Hughes got)we had 4 points were a bit of a laughing stock , got REDKNAPP in and he couldn't turn us around . Dont think we will have many more points than that this time after twelve games. If we were to get Pulis or another we had better not leave it many more games than twelve or just concede and accept us a yoyo team and pay the fine or play in the conference ?
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Post by terryb on Oct 6, 2014 16:43:12 GMT
Being serious: Just how bad are the consequences of Relegation? To answer this seriously I would divide my answer into a realistic best case and realistic worst case. The truth would be somewhere in the middle Best Case- TF remains as chairman and (with partners) continues to own QPR and underwrite the club debt - TF does this because he can still achieve the Old Oak Common project despite the relegation - The QPR debt grows - The FFP rules are applied but are defeated when challenged in court. QPR are not penalised - QPR return to the Premiership at the first attempt Worst Case - TF can no longer achieve the Old Oak common project and consequently puts QPR up for sale (like he did with Caterham) - Assets including Loftus Road and all saleable players are realised to mitigate against the outstanding shareholder debt - QPR are immediately penalised on FFP rules but cannot/will not pay the penalty. This results in relegation to the next tier outside the Football League - Despite measures taken to raise money through saleable assets and reduce outgoings the QPR debt can no longer be serviced and the club is put into administration/bankruptcy (as per Pompey). Further footballing sanctions apply for going into administration - QPR start their first season in the Conference with a minimal squad of free transfers, loans and youth players - No buyer is found for the club and QPR is wound up in the high court - All players are released, QPR results and fixtures are expunged and QPR ceases to exist I have just seen on LFW that Car Giant have now submitted their own plans for development of the area (as per Evening Standard). Will be there be other investors competing as well? Will our plan be preferred to the car Giant one? Will our owners remain if they are not to gain the profits from this development? One things for sure, the timetable that TF quotes will not be feasible. Which ever side wins won't be able to start work untuil all appeals are exhausted. I'm 62 so will it be in my life time?
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Post by Bushman on Oct 6, 2014 17:03:06 GMT
Terry if we are still about in 10 years time, we will still be watching the Rs at Loftus Rd
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 17:08:00 GMT
Terry if we are still about in 10 years time, we will still be watching the Rs at Loftus Rd Yeah but will i be going to the Abbey Stadium and Roots Hall again And getting beat .
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Post by terryb on Oct 6, 2014 17:18:33 GMT
Terry if we are still about in 10 years time, we will still be watching the Rs at Loftus Rd But will I have more legroom? Just as important, will the pubs we use still be open? Will IT still be in charge of our club? These are the real issues that need answers! After all, I'm fairly sure that TF will not be prepared to pay compensation to Harry!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 6, 2014 17:19:16 GMT
Terry if we are still about in 10 years time, we will still be watching the Rs at Loftus Rd Yeah but will i be going to the Abbey Stadium and Roots Hall again And getting beat . Who beat you
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Post by Bushman on Oct 6, 2014 17:55:25 GMT
Terry if we are still about in 10 years time, we will still be watching the Rs at Loftus Rd But will I have more legroom? Just as important, will the pubs we use still be open? Will IT still be in charge of our club? These are the real issues that need answers! After all, I'm fairly sure that TF will not be prepared to pay compensation to Harry! Bloody hell Terry, you want it all.
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Post by harr on Oct 8, 2014 12:04:23 GMT
Must admit was I surprised when I looked at the Poll on West London Sport should Harry go , now over 80% . Not sure how many voted of course but with every game without a win that will head on upto 90. Pressure will be enormous on Fernandes without a Liverpool Draw minimum or at least a bloody good effort backed up by a Villa win .
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Post by Hogan on Oct 8, 2014 16:14:45 GMT
The lack of Harry and Ferne apologists would suggest to me that the poll is a good reflection.
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Post by nomar on Oct 8, 2014 21:14:38 GMT
The lack of Harry and Ferne apologists would suggest to me that the poll is a good reflection. I'm virtually at the point now where I really don't care anymore what happens. Sacking Redknapp probably achieves nothing and just proves that our answer to everything when things go wrong is to throw out whatever it is we have and go and get the next shiny 'must have' item on the store shelf. However, Redknapp appears totally disinterested and uncommitted to this club. Like most everyone around the club he seems just content to pick up his not inconsiderable wages every month whilst genuinely doing as little as physically possible. As Clive said on LFW this week, would the club really miss him if he, Bond and Jordan left. It's not like they're actually making a difference. Maybe Harry is the only thing stopping us from getting mullered even worse every weekend? Right now, though, it feels like Coco the clown could run the gaffe and probably produce similar if not possibly slightly better results. We're paying £5m a year for a litany of pathetic excuses and an emotionless bystander on matchdays. Maybe Harry does care and this is his management style? Maybe they work their asses off during the week and can't muster up any semblance of workrate commensurate with the job description of a professional footballer come match day? So, stay or go, will it really make any difference in the end?
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Post by harr on Oct 8, 2014 21:42:08 GMT
The lack of Harry and Ferne apologists would suggest to me that the poll is a good reflection. I'm virtually at the point now where I really don't care anymore what happens. Sacking Redknapp probably achieves nothing and just proves that our answer to everything when things go wrong is to throw out whatever it is we have and go and get the next shiny 'must have' item on the store shelf. However, Redknapp appears totally disinterested and uncommitted to this club. Like most everyone around the club he seems just content to pick up his not inconsiderable wages every month whilst genuinely doing as little as physically possible. As Clive said on LFW this week, would the club really miss him if he, Bond and Jordan left. It's not like they're actually making a difference. Maybe Harry is the only thing stopping us from getting mullered even worse every weekend? Right now, though, it feels like Coco the clown could run the gaffe and probably produce similar if not possibly slightly better results. We're paying £5m a year for a litany of pathetic excuses and an emotionless bystander on matchdays. Maybe Harry does care and this is his management style? Maybe they work their asses off during the week and can't muster up any semblance of workrate commensurate with the job description of a professional footballer come match day? So, stay or go, will it really make any difference in the end? I still think it could make a difference Nomar. At this point I only see HR taking us down .He might turn it around but so far he looks out of his depth . Dont leave it to late Tony if the points don't arrive in October and November . Get someone proper before we have some home games against more bottom half teams .
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Post by timewaster on Oct 8, 2014 22:21:00 GMT
Villa is a must win game whoever is in charge A draw against Liverpool will still be a good result
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Post by Hogan on Oct 8, 2014 23:02:03 GMT
I'm virtually at the point now where I really don't care anymore what happens. Sacking Redknapp probably achieves nothing and just proves that our answer to everything when things go wrong is to throw out whatever it is we have and go and get the next shiny 'must have' item on the store shelf. However, Redknapp appears totally disinterested and uncommitted to this club. Like most everyone around the club he seems just content to pick up his not inconsiderable wages every month whilst genuinely doing as little as physically possible. As Clive said on LFW this week, would the club really miss him if he, Bond and Jordan left. It's not like they're actually making a difference. Maybe Harry is the only thing stopping us from getting mullered even worse every weekend? Right now, though, it feels like Coco the clown could run the gaffe and probably produce similar if not possibly slightly better results. We're paying £5m a year for a litany of pathetic excuses and an emotionless bystander on matchdays. Maybe Harry does care and this is his management style? Maybe they work their asses off during the week and can't muster up any semblance of workrate commensurate with the job description of a professional footballer come match day? So, stay or go, will it really make any difference in the end? I still think it could make a difference Nomar. At this point I only see HR taking us down .He might turn it around but so far he looks out of his depth . Dont leave it to late Tony if the points don't arrive in October and November . Get someone proper before we have some home games against more bottom half teams . Guys, we need someone new, with fresh ideas, with fire in the belly, with something to prove and something to achieve. A manager who has a clear ideas of how he wants to play, the tactics he wants to deploy and the determination and ability to implement it. To take responsibility for performances and results. All can be done if given enough games, otherwise the new manager will blame it on not having enough games to turn this sorry mess around.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 9, 2014 0:35:13 GMT
This team needs a Brain, a Heart, and a Nerve. (Wizard of Oz), before they need a new manager.
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Post by timewaster on Oct 9, 2014 2:29:07 GMT
This team needs a Brain, a Heart, and a Nerve. (Wizard of Oz), before they need a new manager. Arry is a cross between the lion and the scarecrow
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 9, 2014 19:21:29 GMT
What gets me is that not are we just losing, but we are losing by playing some inept football lacking heart, spirit, passion and skill. I don't mind us going down but at least do it in style.
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Post by corndog on Oct 9, 2014 21:52:51 GMT
Agree Jack, but even worse, they actually had a respectable performance against Southampton showing heart and determination and Harry goes and changes half of the starters for the West Ham game. Then when he actually needs to take players out of the lineup, like Rio, he won't do it. Nothing makes sense to me and it just seems like this team is getting worse.
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Post by nomar on Oct 9, 2014 22:14:32 GMT
Agree Jack, but even worse, they actually had a respectable performance against Southampton showing heart and determination and Harry goes and changes half of the starters for the West Ham game. Then when he actually needs to take players out of the lineup, like Rio, he won't do it. Nothing makes sense to me and it just seems like this team is getting worse. Rio is a big name. QPR love big names. Whether they are any good anymore or not is irrelevant. QPR love big names. What they don't like are no name players who are prepared to work hard and graft for points. That just won't do. So, no Rio won't be dropped.
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Post by nomar on Oct 9, 2014 22:23:28 GMT
I'm virtually at the point now where I really don't care anymore what happens. Sacking Redknapp probably achieves nothing and just proves that our answer to everything when things go wrong is to throw out whatever it is we have and go and get the next shiny 'must have' item on the store shelf. However, Redknapp appears totally disinterested and uncommitted to this club. Like most everyone around the club he seems just content to pick up his not inconsiderable wages every month whilst genuinely doing as little as physically possible. As Clive said on LFW this week, would the club really miss him if he, Bond and Jordan left. It's not like they're actually making a difference. Maybe Harry is the only thing stopping us from getting mullered even worse every weekend? Right now, though, it feels like Coco the clown could run the gaffe and probably produce similar if not possibly slightly better results. We're paying £5m a year for a litany of pathetic excuses and an emotionless bystander on matchdays. Maybe Harry does care and this is his management style? Maybe they work their asses off during the week and can't muster up any semblance of workrate commensurate with the job description of a professional footballer come match day? So, stay or go, will it really make any difference in the end? I still think it could make a difference Nomar. At this point I only see HR taking us down .He might turn it around but so far he looks out of his depth . Dont leave it to late Tony if the points don't arrive in October and November . Get someone proper before we have some home games against more bottom half teams . Harr, I ask the same question over and over again: What good will getting a new manager do? All TF will do is go and get another big name manager who will bring in the same kind of big name players who have caused our problems in the first place. TF likes celebrity footballers. Unless TF changes his philosophy then it stands to reason that the next manager will also have to because TF will always employ someone who shares the same values and ethos as him. How many players or staff at Burnley or Leicester have had books or clothes lines out in the last 2 years? How many at QPR? Seems everyone at this club has an agenda. Shame it never involves actually working hard and playing football to the best of their ability.
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Post by harr on Oct 10, 2014 10:36:01 GMT
I still think it could make a difference Nomar. At this point I only see HR taking us down .He might turn it around but so far he looks out of his depth . Dont leave it to late Tony if the points don't arrive in October and November . Get someone proper before we have some home games against more bottom half teams . Harr, I ask the same question over and over again: What good will getting a new manager do? All TF will do is go and get another big name manager who will bring in the same kind of big name players who have caused our problems in the first place. TF likes celebrity footballers. Unless TF changes his philosophy then it stands to reason that the next manager will also have to because TF will always employ someone who shares the same values and ethos as him. How many players or staff at Burnley or Leicester have had books or clothes lines out in the last 2 years? How many at QPR? Seems everyone at this club has an agenda. Shame it never involves actually working hard and playing football to the best of their ability. Yes I was just discussing this on the poll thread and you are quite right, he probably would . Cant argue with any of that really Nomar. i still think Redknapp has to go though but am prepared to give him the 11-12 games he probably deserves. We are in Cycle . Hughes came in kept us up, Hughes started off terrible - Sacked . Redknapp came in couldn't keep us in 26 games. Got us promoted by the skin of his teeth. Then he starts off pretty much as bad as Hughes again. Why can't we do a Swansea, Southampton, play quite nice football and be a mid table team for a few years . Something keeps going wrong can't put my finger on what
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