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Post by Macmoish on Nov 4, 2014 12:38:12 GMT
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Post by nomar on Nov 4, 2014 18:23:59 GMT
I actually think that Andy Carroll would be the perfect frontman for Charlie Austin. Probably surplus to requirements at West Ham but he could do the same kind of job that Zamora does and he's a more prolific goalscorer than Bobby Z too.
Unfortunately his injury record is probably worse than Bobby's though.
Defoe is a deadly finisher but we really need to put an end to the ÂŁ90k a week type signings. I don't mind Defoe on loan as he will score goals in the Prem that's for sure, but not sure 3 yrs and ÂŁ90k a week is where we want to be going with that one.
However, caution is required as the papers rarely get wages right when it comes to QPR, they usually always add an extra ÂŁ30k a week to whatever the real figure is.
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2014 19:01:12 GMT
Surely we wouldn't offer Defoe a Three year deal on that money. Would be crazy.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Nov 4, 2014 19:16:43 GMT
It wouldn't be anywhere near to that. When was the last time the press got any wages right?
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 4, 2014 20:04:11 GMT
Accept that Rory. But IF, was any truth to that - either 90K a week or 3 Year deal, would you say "Crazee" ?
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Post by harr on Nov 4, 2014 20:17:41 GMT
Wouldn't suprise me one bit if we offered him two year deal 60k week though. Nothing against his pedigree, scores goals but does get injured a fair bit these days. Don't we want someone that would potentially play all 18 (approx ) games for the rest of the season.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 4, 2014 23:17:34 GMT
That would be the upper limit to what I'd accept But 3 years at 80K or 90K - That would be nuts (but very QPR) And clearly not "Lessons learned"
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Post by gramps on Nov 5, 2014 8:28:19 GMT
The latest from the 'Daily Mirror', which newspaper we all know, love and trust implicitly, is an agreed three years deal for ÂŁ80,000 a week. Crazy!
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 5, 2014 9:13:03 GMT
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Post by wrenboy61 on Nov 5, 2014 12:29:00 GMT
Shouldn't be looking at Defoe on anywhere near that money or 3 year contract. IMO we should be taking up the option on Vargas for ÂŁ8 million and arranging it ASAP because if he keeps performing and working as hard as he has done we will have trouble hanging on to him and come the end of the season we will have another Remy moment!!!
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 6, 2014 8:10:51 GMT
Besides Massive wages, also talk about big transfer Fee Toronto - Star
Jermain Defoe to leave Toronto FC for Queens Park Rangers: Report Leiweke suggested that anyone who goes after Defoe will have to dig deep into its wallet to get him.
Jermain Defoe will leave TFC and sign with Queens Park Rangers, according to a report out of England. Colin McConnell / Toronto Star file photo Jermain Defoe will leave TFC and sign with Queens Park Rangers, according to a report out of England. By: Neil Davidson The Canadian Press, Published on Wed Nov 05 2014 If England striker Jermain Defoe doesnât return, Toronto FC already knows who it is going after next. But MLSE boss Tim Leiweke says any deal involving Defoe will have to be worth it for the MLS club. And any move will be at the behest of the team and not the player. âWe know this is a great place to play, we know we have guys like Michael Bradley that love Toronto. Gilberto loves Toronto,â Leiweke said in an interview Tuesday. âIn fact when I look at the basketball team and the hockey team, weâve got a group of guys now that all want to be here and all want to be a part of the Leafs, the Raptors and TFC. Thatâs what we want. Thatâs how you build winning teams. âJermain needs to decide if he wants to be here. If he does, then I think heâs one of the great strikers in MLS. If he does not, then that situation is ours to ultimately decide â not his â because we own his contract. Weâre not going to give him away. And so weâre in a good spot. âThe one thing I can promise our fans â one way or another, this will end well for TFC. (I) guarantee it.â The London Evening Standard reported Tuesday that Queens Park Rangers, who reportedly have been after Defoe for months, have a deal in place to sign the 32-year-old forward when the transfer window reopens in January. Leiweke suggested that anyone who goes after Defoe will have to dig deep into its wallet to get him. âAs Iâve said before, Jermain Defoe was not a mistake,â said Leiweke, who led the chase for the former Spurs star. âHe is a very good player and I think in his heart, in his soul, a good man. But we have to determine does he want to be here. Thereâs no DP that is ultimately going to leave this organization and we go backwards on the capital invested. Thatâs not going to happen.â Leiwekeâs comments seem to ramp up the Defoe stakes. Previously, club officials had said they only want players who want to be here. Leiwekeâs message Tuesday was if you want Defoe, you will have to pay for him. Leiweke, whose term as president and CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment is slated to end by next June, went so far as to say Plan B is already drawn up. Jermain Defoe has returned to Toronto after groin-injury treatment in England, dismissing recent transfer talk as something that was out of his hands. The Toronto FC striker says he hasn't fully recovered from the injury. And he went even further. âWe know where we are going. If we have a DP (designated player) slot open, we already know who weâre going after. And I am 100 per cent convinced weâre going to be a better team on the pitch next year â without a lot of changes. âWe need some consistency and we need a core group and a core value system here. Some people believe in what weâre doing. Others are hoping we fail.â Toronto (11-15-8) failed to make the playoffs for an eighth straight year, despite setting club single-season records for wins (11) and points (41). The English report is just the latest scuttlebutt surrounding the 32-year-old Defoe, who led Toronto with 11 goals in an injury-plagued debut season in North America. Toronto turned down a club-record transfer bid for Defoe at the end of the summer transfer window, reportedly from QPR. For his part, Defoe has said he likes Toronto and never asked publicly to leave. But he has been hazy over what lies ahead, saying only he canât predict the future. âDPs are not an exact science,â Leiweke said. âThis is still a work in progress here and it is not lost on us that Jermain Defoe had a very good start to the season and scored 11 goals in 16 games. And during that span we were a team that had a good record and would have made the playoffs â and in fact hosted the playoffs â had we continued that pace,â he added. âWe didnât. Weâve got to do better and we know it. But I think we took a step in the right direction.â Leiweke said team ownership has committed the resources to three designated players â whose combined salary in 2014 was $13.885 million US according to the MLS Players Union. âNow we just have to determine do all three DPs want to be a part of what weâre building here. And if one of them does not, then the only way we ever make a move for any of our DPs is a deal that is in our best interest. And so this is the clubâs decision, itâs not the players. In all due respect, we have acquired the rights to all three players. And so weâre going to do whatâs in the best interest of TFC. Period.â In reviewing his designated players, Leiweke only cited a question mark over Defoe. He praised Bradleyâs passion, intensity and love for Toronto. He called Gilberto âa raw talent who is only going to get better.â âAnd I think Jermain is one of the better strikers in the world of football. And if he wants to be here and heâs focused on being a part of this organization, then we saw what he can do. And thereâs no question how good Jermain Defoe is.â Leiweke also doesnât regret promising that TFC would make the playoffs this season. âI do not regret a commitment to make the playoffs. I regret not making the playoffs. And thatâs a big difference,â the MLSE boss said. âIâm fairly certain Winston Churchill didnât go into the war saying, âWhatever you guys do, donât say weâre going to win.â âIâve never met a championship-calibre organization that Iâve been around that didnât want to be a champion. And so we cannot and will not be afraid of setting goals and standards for ourselves and demanding that we achieve them. And occasionally it means weâre going to have to live with a little bit of a kick in the pants. I take the kick in the pants, as nothing more than a motivation that weâve got to do better. www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2014/11/05/jermain_defoe_to_leave_toronto_fc_for_queens_park_rangers_report.html
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Post by kenthoop on Nov 6, 2014 14:39:56 GMT
Toronto are saying now if we want Defoe then we are going to have to pay for him and he won't be going on the cheap and are quoting figures of eight mill ,I would love to see how this pans out as supposedly we have offered him ninety grand a week on a three yr deal ,interesting to say the least especially for a thirty four yr old ,but then if you think about it he is a proven goal scorer at this level and I would think that Fernandes is willing to pay out that sort of wages if it helps keep us in this division ,anyway as I say I will be watching this one with interest ,
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 6, 2014 14:47:17 GMT
I'll be watching too with the same interest.
To see if QPR really do this "insane" deal (if facts are as widely reported)
Big test of if truly "Lessons Learned" or not
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Post by Marc on Nov 6, 2014 15:15:28 GMT
Toronto are saying now if we want Defoe then we are going to have to pay for him and he won't be going on the cheap and are quoting figures of eight mill ,I would love to see how this pans out as supposedly we have offered him ninety grand a week on a three yr deal ,interesting to say the least especially for a thirty four yr old ,but then if you think about it he is a proven goal scorer at this level and I would think that Fernandes is willing to pay out that sort of wages if it helps keep us in this division ,anyway as I say I will be watching this one with interest , He's 32 and the newspaper stories are probably as accurate
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Nov 6, 2014 16:26:18 GMT
Think Fabs just perfectly summed up my feelings on this with that reply.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 6, 2014 16:48:15 GMT
I'd just say that every paper is talking about a 3 Year deal And every paper that mentions a sum is talking 80 or 90,000
Its the 3 Year deal part that especially worries me
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Post by alfaranger on Nov 6, 2014 17:46:31 GMT
I'd just say that every paper is talking about a 3 Year deal And every paper that mentions a sum is talking 80 or 90,000 Its the 3 Year deal part that especially worries me I'm not saying that this is the case here, but very often in everyday reporting and especially in sport it's the same source just being quoted in many outlets. Its very obvious when they use a strange word or piece of grammer and you find every story has the same format, ergo, same source. Then of course there's the Chris Jeffrey's model (Jo Yates murder investigation) where the newspapers blatantly lied (and had to pay lots of compensation and he would have hung if we still had that law. Take your choice - one source either reliable or not, or blatant lies (or of course genuinely true).
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Post by Marc on Nov 6, 2014 18:49:02 GMT
I'd just say that every paper is talking about a 3 Year deal And every paper that mentions a sum is talking 80 or 90,000 Its the 3 Year deal part that especially worries me Same little voice spreading the "news" far and wide. One media outlet or fifty, makes it no more likely to be the truth.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 6, 2014 19:22:49 GMT
That's always true on every matter. But it doesn't stop discussion
And even when Club official such as Redknapp, say something: That may not always be completely accurate
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 7, 2014 9:26:37 GMT
Mirror Claims Board split over Defoe
MIRROR
Jermain Defoe wanted by Harry Redknapp - but QPR top brass are refusing January move
Nov 06, 2014 22:45 By Darren Lewis The two parties are at loggerheads over the potential switch with both seemingly unwilling to back down from their stance
Jermain Defoe is at the centre of a boardroom split at QPR over Harry Redknappâs bid to sign him in January.
Redknapp has confirmed he is keen to revive his summer move for the 32-year-old FC Toronto marksman to help shoulder the goalscoring burden.
Senior figures in the boardroom, however, are firmly against it and want chairman Tony Fernandes to veto the move.
Redknapp, who worked with Defoe at Spurs and Portsmouth, admitted the final decision rests with Fernandes. He said: âJermain is a player we are interested in.
âI still think heâll score goals if he gets the chances. But it comes down to what the deal is and thatâs where the chairman will decide if itâs a deal worth doing.â
Defoe is keen to come back to the Premier League and has insisted he is still hungry to score enough goals to shoot him back into the England picture.
It is understood, however, that those opposing the move fear Defoeâs age counts against him and that Fernandes, a big fan, would be carried away by the England strikerâs past achievements.It is similar to the concerns expressed ahead of Redknappâs move for defender Rio Ferdinand in August. At the time, club sources felt the 35-year-old would not represent value for money despite his willingness to take a substantial pay cut. Rex Jermain Defoe scores in the 17th minute In the goals: Defoe would add some much needed firepower to the R's attack Rangers are now actively seeking new centre-backs ahead of the January transfer window and are prepared to offload Ferdinand who admits he may hang up his boots at the end of the season anyway. Redknapp added: âWe tried to sign Jermain in the summer but it couldnât be done so we will have to wait and see on that one.â Asked about the terms of a potential deal, Redknapp said: âI wouldnât know. Only the chairman will deal with that, I wouldnât be involved in that side. I wouldnât know if anywhere where we are with him.â On top of Defoeâs wages, QPR would have to pay a transfer fee to FC Toronto, who paid Spurs around ÂŁ6million for the striker when the deal was originally agreed around a year ago. Maple Leafs Sports and Entertainment Limited, owners of FC Toronto, are insistent that they will not allow Defoe to leave without being compensated. President Tim Leiweke said: âWe own his contract. Weâre not going to give him away. And so weâre in a good spot. âThe one thing I can promise our fans â one way or another, this will end well for TFC. I guarantee it.â www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jermain-defoe-wanted-harry-redknapp-4583583?
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Post by sharky on Nov 7, 2014 16:34:02 GMT
The Defoe saga is beginning to sound like the Crouch saga.
Don't think it's ever going to happen.
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Post by nomar on Nov 7, 2014 18:42:49 GMT
To be honest with you chaps, I would be quite happy if the board vetoes this move.
They had reservations about Rio and looking at the way that turned out maybe they should act on their suspicions and trust their instincts.
We can't be affording to spend ÂŁ6m on oft injured strikers who are the wrong side of 30. Regardless of what disparaging comments he may (or may not) have said off the record to the Daily Mirror's Katie Hind about QPR, I think we may just be a lot better off from now on leaving these kind of players alone.
Also agree with Wrenboy. Use the money instead to wrap up a deal for Vargas whose young, fit and seems like he actually wants to be here.
I'll be quite content to see us do just a couple of very quiet but prudent deals in the January window. No more big money, big name, big wages has beens.
Finally got some decent team spirit going on and a team of grafters on board. From what I recall Defoe is not much of a team player. Maybe best we leave these kind of signings alone now.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 9, 2014 9:21:36 GMT
Year+ Flashback 08/11/2013 By David McIntyre Harry Redknapp has hinted that he may look to sign Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe if QPR are promoted this season. Former Spurs manager Redknapp was keen to sign the England international, 31, last summer but never came close to pulling off what would have been a major transfer coup. But he believes he could have a realistic chance of landing Defoe if Rangers get back to the Premier League. âIt was never really a goer while we were in the Championship,â said the Râs boss. âIf we could get back to the Premier League next year it could be different as thatâs the kind of player youâd be looking for.â Defoe, who played under Redknapp at Portsmouth as well as Tottenham, is under contract at White Hart Lane until 2015. There has been speculation that he could leave Spurs during the January transfer window.
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Post by corndog on Nov 11, 2014 19:42:22 GMT
I was reading a blog from ESPN FC and they compared the Austin/Zamora combo to Redknapp's old combo of Crouch and Defoe. I think it would be in the club's best interest to have a player similar to Zamora come in January, just due to his fitness history. But reading that article and looking at the two players, it's obvious Defoe would be playing Austin's role or at least more fit for it. Also if Austin goes down there is still Vargas, who clearly can score goals at this level. Basically if this club wants to bring a striker, it should be a bigger one that can win headers and help with hold up play and preferably a younger one.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 11, 2014 20:25:11 GMT
I would offer Defoe 2 years and 30k per week. If Andy Carroll wasn't so injury prone i would offer him the same deal and with him being injury prone I'd offer him 2 years at 20k per week.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2014 16:30:14 GMT
I was reading a blog from ESPN FC and they compared the Austin/Zamora combo to Redknapp's old combo of Crouch and Defoe. I think it would be in the club's best interest to have a player similar to Zamora come in January, just due to his fitness history. But reading that article and looking at the two players, it's obvious Defoe would be playing Austin's role or at least more fit for it. Also if Austin goes down there is still Vargas, who clearly can score goals at this level. Basically if this club wants to bring a striker, it should be a bigger one that can win headers and help with hold up play and preferably a younger one. This. ^^^^^ Absolutely and totally. This.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2014 16:34:36 GMT
I would offer Defoe 2 years and 30k per week. If Andy Carroll wasn't so injury prone i would offer him the same deal and with him being injury prone I'd offer him 2 years at 20k per week. Carroll is exactly the kind of player I could see absolutely killing it with Austin. Like ye said, though, his injury history is as bad as Zamora's. The more I think about it the less I like the thought of us going for Defoe now. Too much like Rio and Park to me.
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Post by corndog on Nov 12, 2014 17:58:51 GMT
Yeah Carroll would be a good one, but I can't see West Ham letting him go for a reasonable price.
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Post by mondozondo on Nov 13, 2014 12:58:55 GMT
I would offer Defoe 2 years and 30k per week. If Andy Carroll wasn't so injury prone i would offer him the same deal and with him being injury prone I'd offer him 2 years at 20k per week. I don't think that Defoe or Carroll would sign for any club on these wages. If the club decide that we want players such as these then we have to be prepared to pay them higher wages - as much as it pains me to say. I appreciate that none of us want to attract any more of these mercenary types that have blighted our squad in recent years, but paying the going rate is a necessary evil if we want certain players. It's about weighing up the pro's and con's and deciding if we can and want to do the deal. The problem we have had in the recent past is that no-one seems to be adding the sums up at the end. Personally, I'd prefer to see players such as Defoe coming to us on a low wage with a substantial goal / non-relegation bonus - again something that the majority of players are just not going to agree to.
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Post by nomar on Nov 14, 2014 8:09:47 GMT
I would offer Defoe 2 years and 30k per week. If Andy Carroll wasn't so injury prone i would offer him the same deal and with him being injury prone I'd offer him 2 years at 20k per week. I don't think that Defoe or Carroll would sign for any club on these wages. If the club decide that we want players such as these then we have to be prepared to pay them higher wages - as much as it pains me to say. I appreciate that none of us want to attract any more of these mercenary types that have blighted our squad in recent years, but paying the going rate is a necessary evil if we want certain players. It's about weighing up the pro's and con's and deciding if we can and want to do the deal. The problem we have had in the recent past is that no-one seems to be adding the sums up at the end. Personally, I'd prefer to see players such as Defoe coming to us on a low wage with a substantial goal / non-relegation bonus - again something that the majority of players are just not going to agree to. I agree that we won't sign those players for those kind of wages. So better to leave them both alone and go for alternative options.
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