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Post by Macmoish on Aug 27, 2014 8:20:50 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 27, 2014 8:34:55 GMT
Well maybe just the Sun seeing Les as Tony Fernandes guest at the stadium Sunday . Would always welcome Les around our club in some capacity.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 27, 2014 9:48:22 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 27, 2014 9:58:55 GMT
Interesting to see if Les gets a job . My only slight concern is we have alot of coaches / assistants / sub assistants and would be intrigued to know what role he will have if comes on board. But a true Legend of QPR
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 27, 2014 11:00:50 GMT
@westlondonsport: Fernandes rules out director of football role for Ferdinand: t.co/t6RAR4lwn0 #QPR Fernandes rules out director of football role for Ferdinand at QPR 27/08/2014 By West London Sport Tony Fernandes has told Sky Sports News there is no prospect of QPR legend Les Ferdinand returning to Loftus Road as director of football. Rangers have been discussing a possible role for the former England striker for some time and there has been speculation that he could be given a senior position. But chairman Fernandes said: โWeโre not really into creating a director of football role. โLes is someone Iโm close to and weโre seeing how we can involve him. Iโd love him to come back. Weโll have to wait and see. โHe is one of many names weโve been discussing to see how to help the shareholders, who are not here every day.โ Fernandes added that he expects manager Harry Redknapp to sign a new contract in the coming days.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 27, 2014 11:19:34 GMT
This Les thing is purely based on what he's done for the club in the past. He's no DOF for sure and even very questionable as a coach, heard bad things about him at Spurs
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 27, 2014 11:46:36 GMT
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 27, 2014 21:50:33 GMT
Ok so I've sat back from giving my opinion on the news of a new deal for Harry for today, mainly because I wanted to gather my thoughts and form a proper opinion.
So anyway, here goes......
Giving Harry Redknapp a contract extension at QPR is the single most ****** stupid decision the current board have ever made, even worse than bringing Hughes in. Now this by no means is me saying I want Redknapp to be sacked immediately, that is ridiculous so early on, however if Tony Fernandes (and the rest of the shareholders) really do have a long term plan for stability at this club and that plan involves Harry Redknapp being the manager further than this season, I really have to question what exactly is going through their heads. He is a dinosaur of football. Oldest manager in all Leagues, tactically he's 20 years behind most of the good up and coming young managers. Now this idea for stability is a good one and it's one that I'm sure every QPR fan wants to see but surely, SURELY, it must be with a younger manager with things to prove, not an aging dinosaur who would be retired now if a man called Bobby Zamora hadn't have miraculously scored an 89th minute winner at Wembley.
Shambles. This is the first time I've seriously questioned what the owners of QPR are actually doing.
As far as I'm concerned the best thing for the club is to just let Harry go in the summer, if he even lasts that long.
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Post by nomar on Aug 27, 2014 21:55:24 GMT
Never mind DoF, Sir Les is needed up front for us. Remy aside he's probably still better than anything else we have.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 28, 2014 0:00:13 GMT
If I hear one friggen cliche about the loss to Burton, I will friggen scream. To put out a "B" team is a disgrace. Harry can be as unhappy with the player's as he likes but at the end of the day, he chose the team. I looked at that line up and saw only 3 names that might have some sort of show in playing in the first team. I just wish we had a manager and a squad that actually takes this competition seriously. 3 game no goals.
If the continual under performers don't get sacked, transferred or given "Frees" then it will show Harry is all talk and no action. WTF is the headless chicken still here for, but he is not alone.
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Post by sharky on Aug 28, 2014 2:29:44 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but our last goal scorer was Clint Hill and he scored an own goal!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 5:10:26 GMT
New contract ? I think you need to scrutinise the old one ! Must be something in it about actually competing and winning games ,stop chucking money at Redknapp , no other club wants him so why the talk of a new contract ? Save your money Tony , we are a mid table championship club , end of
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Post by kenthoop on Aug 28, 2014 5:20:02 GMT
Ok so I've sat back from giving my opinion on the news of a new deal for Harry for today, mainly because I wanted to gather my thoughts and form a proper opinion. So anyway, here goes...... Giving Harry Redknapp a contract extension at QPR is the single most ****** stupid decision the current board have ever made, even worse than bringing Hughes in. Now this by no means is me saying I want Redknapp to be sacked immediately, that is ridiculous so early on, however if Tony Fernandes (and the rest of the shareholders) really do have a long term plan for stability at this club and that plan involves Harry Redknapp being the manager further than this season, I really have to question what exactly is going through their heads. He is a dinosaur of football. Oldest manager in all Leagues, tactically he's 20 years behind most of the good up and coming young managers. Now this idea for stability is a good one and it's one that I'm sure every QPR fan wants to see but surely, SURELY, it must be with a younger manager with things to prove, not an aging dinosaur who would be retired now if a man called Bobby Zamora hadn't have miraculously scored an 89th minute winner at Wembley. Shambles. This is the first time I've seriously questioned what the owners of QPR are actually doing. As far as I'm concerned the best thing for the club is to just let Harry go in the summer, if he even lasts that long.
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Post by kenthoop on Aug 28, 2014 5:21:22 GMT
Could not agree more Rory 100% spot on !
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Post by alfaranger on Aug 28, 2014 8:20:07 GMT
If I hear one friggen cliche about the loss to Burton, I will friggen scream. To put out a "B" team is a disgrace. Harry can be as unhappy with the player's as he likes but at the end of the day, he chose the team. I looked at that line up and saw only 3 names that might have some sort of show in playing in the first team. I just wish we had a manager and a squad that actually takes this competition seriously. 3 game no goals. If the continual under performers don't get sacked, transferred or given "Frees" then it will show Harry is all talk and no action. WTF is the headless chicken still here for, but he is not alone. This is a little flawed Jack imo. It seems that quite a number of premiership clubs and probably championship clubs put out 'B; teams to play in the league cup. This is not the first year its happened after all (57 has written a good post about it) and it seems as if it will continue. There have been plenty of 'upsets' on the back of it - you only have to look at the results for this round to see that. Personally I would prefer to take the competition more seriously even if, in our case, its to give the players some confidence and practice with a system they clearly seem to be struggling with. The reality is however that premiership clubs dont care about the competition. I dont think you can 'sack' a player as you indicate. You cant transfer a player that no one wants to buy with a fee or on a free. I don't think there is one poster on this board or any other who thinks that SWP is any use to our team (actually I 'would' like to know if he does have any supporters and their reasons if there's anyone out there to make an argument for him) and like you I would start with him in the 'sackings' and as you say there are a few others. It seems though that this is impossible. As long as he turns up for training and makes himself available then he isn't guilty of gross misconduct and we would have to pay him off. The same with the others we may want to get rid of. To lay the blame at Harry's door for not being able to get rid of the people he so evidently wants 'out' is quite wrong. In the meantime we're stuck with a collection of players that between them earn more in a week than I will earn in the rest of my working life. That really makes me sick - but its not Harry's fault.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 28, 2014 8:47:34 GMT
I think managers have to give fringe players a chance in games like this, so I don't disagree with Harry's team selection at all. Our squad is a Premier League squad. Half our side against Burton were full internationals, we should have had the quality and experience to win that game.
I think 2 or 3 of last night's team will be shipped out on loan very soon.
Should Harry lose his job?
Of course not.
He got us out of the Championship and deserves a decent run in the Prem.
As for him being the oldest manager in the league, so what? Ferguson previously held that record - can't say his age hindered him in any way.
Let's get the transfer window over, our new players used to each other, Austin and Remy scoring a couple, our first win under our belt and see where we are in November.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 28, 2014 8:58:10 GMT
Ah but "should" Redknapp be given a NEW Contract? And if so, why now - and not in the summer, which would have benen the norm
Should Redknapp lose his job? That's a different question. Obviously if we didnt want Redknapp should have replaced him in the Summer. Not after 2 League Games.
At some point though, if we're in big trouble, I presume we will replace him - Fernandes "Stability" Talk notwithstanding. if there are options out there. And a new contract will just make replacing him more costly.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 28, 2014 9:14:10 GMT
Well, I was answering the question the thread was asking - "Will Harry keep his job?", which I interpreted as a Devil's Advocate way of asking "Should Harry keep his job?"
The new contract at this stage - I doubt the idea suddenly popped into TFs head... "Great, we've lost our first two games, let's give Harry a new contract..."
I suspect it was offered during the summer and has been the subject of ongoing negotiation up until now.
I think you have to show faith in your staff and a two year extension isn't excessive - look at Pardew's eight year contract extension...
Harry rebuilt team spirit and togetherness, is putting together a decent squad and back room team and I'm sure will advise on his successor.
Losing two consecutive Premier League games doesn't make him a bad manager.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Aug 28, 2014 9:32:35 GMT
Well, I was answering the question the thread was asking - "Will Harry keep his job?", which I interpreted as a Devil's Advocate way of asking "Should Harry keep his job?" The new contract at this stage - I doubt the idea suddenly popped into TFs head... "Great, we've lost our first two games, let's give Harry a new contract..." I suspect it was offered during the summer and has been the subject of ongoing negotiation up until now. I think you have to show faith in your staff and a two year extension isn't excessive - look at Pardew's eight year contract extension... Harry rebuilt team spirit and togetherness, is putting together a decent squad and back room team and I'm sure will advise on his successor. Losing two consecutive Premier League games doesn't make him a bad manager. Agree wholeheartedly. If, we were to win our next game, it is possible, we would jump 8 places.
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Post by kenthoop on Aug 28, 2014 9:38:18 GMT
Well, I was answering the question the thread was asking - "Will Harry keep his job?", which I interpreted as a Devil's Advocate way of asking "Should Harry keep his job?" The new contract at this stage - I doubt the idea suddenly popped into TFs head... "Great, we've lost our first two games, let's give Harry a new contract..." I suspect it was offered during the summer and has been the subject of ongoing negotiation up until now. I think you have to show faith in your staff and a two year extension isn't excessive - look at Pardew's eight year contract extension... Harry rebuilt team spirit and togetherness, is putting together a decent squad and back room team and I'm sure will advise on his successor. Losing two consecutive Premier League games doesn't make him a bad manager. Agree wholeheartedly. If, we were to win our next game, it is possible, we would jump 8 places.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 28, 2014 10:18:19 GMT
One thing I will say about yesterday is that I don't disagree with the team selection. Look at Villa, they lost to Leyton Orient at home and they had their first team out.....
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Post by ingham on Aug 28, 2014 10:24:09 GMT
Good post by Rory. No doubt Ashdown is right and it may have been planned for a while, but even if it had been done before the season started, why do it at all if he is already under contract anyway?
After a blindingly good season - or even a stunning run of results and performances - it might make some kind of superficial sense. And maybe they think that his play-off victory was blindingly good.
But standing back from it a little, isn't that just what is wrong with it? The kind of off-the-cuff thinking that will see Redknapp straight out of the door if his results aren't impressive enough.
And if they are genuinely committing the Club to Redknapp for many years, it would make sense to wait a little to see how good he really is. Certainly Hughes was largely responsible for the debacle last time, but Redknapp made very little difference, and not everyone was overwhelmed by the manner in which one of the highest-paid squads in the world (and one of the highest-paid managers) achieved promotion.
It may indeed have been an achievement if the squad was as demoralised as many think, but wouldn't it make sense to wait a while and see how good we actually are before doing this?
Two results mean nothing in the great scheme of things. Of course they do. We all know that. And that cuts both ways. They don't mean he will get it right, they don't mean we are much better than we seemed in those games, they don't mean that we won't get much worse.
And since we don't know, why not take our time until we've got more information. I see no good reason to think that Redknapp is so far above all the other floating managers in the game that we'll never replace him if we lose him.
And it does him no favours.
I frequently get the impression that Fernandes's approach IS superficial. Spending is one way to improve, so he just spends, supporters sit down these days, and we need more supporters, so he plans more seats for them to sit down on, there will be homes near the new ground, and supporters need homes, naturally, so we'll accommodate our supporters in those homes. Warnock didn't impress, so Warnock was gone, Hughes didn't, but we needed stability, so he kept him, then sacked him.
We KNOW it is a dilemma, and the Board may very well be damned if they do and damned if they don't, but paying lip service to the idea of stability and the idea that we need to change and the idea that 'investing' in the playing squad brings results isn't the same thing as KNOWING HOW TO DO IT.
And that is one of the obvious differences between Ferguson and Redknapp. Ferguson got old WINNING at United, and he was a big success at Aberdeen too. But I doubt that even after all his successes, a faltering Ferguson would have lasted long in the manager's seat at OT.
By all means let us stick with Redknapp if we want to. But it would help if we were clear why we want to.
I the first two results are too soon to judge him, why make a judgement of this kind now? Especially as we have no reason to think he'll still be there in 3 months if he isn't getting it right by then.
The only thing we know for certain that this contract is to ensure that Redknapp, like so many others at this Club in recent years - is quids in whether he does well or not.
Unless it is for LESS money than he was on before, and only rewards successful and profitable performances.
That would be new.
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Post by harr on Aug 28, 2014 11:00:23 GMT
I think Sunderland will be too good for us . Call me negative but cant see anything more than a Sunderland Win . They look organised not like us . Not convinced we will get a pt at Old Trafford and when we play Stoke could still be on zero points .
Not what I wanted to type at this stage of the season but in my heart how I feel it will go .
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 28, 2014 11:17:01 GMT
To state the obvious:
If so, then beyond quality, competence, spirit, etc...We then have the extra prob of lack of confidence and sinking feeling.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 29, 2014 8:53:27 GMT
It's insanity
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Redknapp offered a 2-year contract extension. Says he probably won't read it - will just sign it. #QPR
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 29, 2014 12:17:51 GMT
It's a spiel. I doubt Redknapp fails to read contracts!
Given him a new two year contract NOW is insane
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Post by Marc on Aug 29, 2014 16:22:41 GMT
It's a spiel. I doubt Redknapp fails to read contracts! Given him a new two year contract NOW is insane It's already been said by TF that this new deal was on the table after we won promotion,it's just that it's taken this long to get the contract ready (who knows why but I have no expertise in that area). Are you suggesting that he should then say to Redknapp that he's going to withdraw the offer because they lost the 1st 2 premier league games? And I would suggest that, if Redknapp isn't going to read the contract, someone else will have done so on his behalf.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 29, 2014 21:24:33 GMT
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Post by harr on Sept 17, 2014 17:35:10 GMT
I guess Harry is waiting for a win or two consecutive wins before he signs a new deal? Its amazing Lambert must have been close to getting the elbow at the end of last season, three wins and draw at the start of this one and he gets a new deal . Thats when I would like Harry to sign an extension Would settle after two straight wins probably
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Post by spanishal on Sept 18, 2014 8:02:51 GMT
I guess Harry is waiting for a win or two consecutive wins before he signs a new deal? Its amazing Lambert must have been close to getting the elbow at the end of last season, three wins and draw at the start of this one and he gets a new deal . Thats when I would like Harry to sign an extension Would settle after two straight wins probably The first thing anyone does in a job is renew their contract, Harry's 'get around to it' statement is odd to say the least. I agree he'll probably sign it should we pick up a couple of wins but if we don't then he might just walk before getting pushed and avoid any of the nastiness that may arise with signed contracts. Could be that Harry may think it would be the decent thing to do considering the amount of faith TF has put into him. Still let's be optimistic, a couple of wins and the problem disappears
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