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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 16, 2014 18:28:14 GMT
After today?
We saw yet another gutless and spineless performance from a band of players that apart from one or two exceptions are frankly not second rate but third rate.
Reading, as with almost every club that has visited Loftus Road seemed technically better, with superior individual players .......but also played as a team.
Those of you that are not regulars to LR will know that despite some wins we have flattered to deceive and have more luck than we deserved.
The body language of the players is totally wrong, look at the way Benoit and Dunne almost came to blows after the third goal......there was more hatred for each other than for the Reading players.
What an inspired substitution bringing on the carthorse Zamora.
The sending off gave us over 20 minutes to put pressure on Reading and get back in the game but the clueless ones didn't use the space that should have been available and as always there was no plan.
It is time for Harry and all his backroom staff to have their contracts terminated so we can build for the future. This management team is living off reputations from the past. Harry you are a lovely chap but go home to Sandbanks and take a rest. Do some pundit work and gracefully retire from management. You are past it.
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Post by Marc on Feb 16, 2014 18:40:36 GMT
We lose 2 games and are now calling on the manager to be sacked??
Word fail me!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 18:41:03 GMT
Can the mods merge this please with the op's other one.
I wish haqpr would come back and create a 'shout to the top of your voice cos i need to be heard' graphic thingy.
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Post by kenthoop on Feb 16, 2014 18:45:14 GMT
You have summed it up in one ,in have said all along redknappnwas not the right choice and was living on past reputation ,I never wanted him and never will ,other has been so much dire football played this season under him and his entourage ,and we keep getting from his number two good old Harry is known for playing attacking ,attractive football ,wtf it is I have yet to see ,we have been served up some of the most insipid football I have ever had the pleasure to have witnessed ,I would willingly pay the fare to get this man and the rest of his entourage out of loftus rd ,the future of this football club should lie with the players not the bloody loan players and golden oldies harry keeps signing and his so called right sort ,fed up with the same bloody comment ,this tram is nowhere nesrresdy for the premiership and tony and everyone should realise it ,I know I am going to get lambasted but you all have an opinion and this is mine!
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Post by gramps on Feb 16, 2014 18:53:55 GMT
Well, Kent, I have already been lambasted on several occasions for having similar opinions to you so welcome to the club!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 19:11:33 GMT
Bringing Zamora on was a give me some oxygen moment, as i held my breath that long in shock that we thought or Harry thought i should say that he could turn the game around, bit like asking a dingy to turn around an oil tanker, i bet Reading cant believe our easy it was for them today, but as for Harry i still think changing the manager isnt the right way just yet, much rather see Harry do what he is paid for and start motivating these players more, as he clearly isn't doing that at the moment.
Tell the truth i thought we would get relegated at the beginning of the season, so play offs is still on which i will take, just need some confidence and a proper game plan, time for Harry to start earning that fat wedge and get this team playing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 19:17:48 GMT
since we lost McClaren it has been all downhill
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 19:38:21 GMT
easy excuse for the players andrew blaming the departure of super shteve.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 16, 2014 19:44:17 GMT
Axing the Manager in our situation would be quite a gamble...When still have the chance if stick with Redknapp.
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Post by terryb on Feb 16, 2014 20:21:53 GMT
This probably should be merged but marshbowles is quite correct in every word he has just written.
Our whole managerial bench sat there not having a clue of what to do.
Perhaps Harry will start on the right wing himself next week with Mr. Jordan performing the role of lone striker.
That is if he can explain why he removed the active Keene for BZ, but the worse thing is that this was one of our better performances at LR this season!
it is not two defeats fabs. It is the sheer dourness we have displayed all season due to the team, style & tactics choseen by our beloved leader.
It certainly spoke volumes when Benny comes on as a sub & then proceeds to give more energy than BAE & Niko gave between them.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 16, 2014 20:26:03 GMT
I don't think anyone (or at least many people) are happy with how Redknapp is doing.
But a mid-season axe is the gamble.
I'm not sure you're going to get very many people - ANYONE? - Saying if we don't go up, we should keep Redknapp (although of course he does have a contract!)
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Post by terryb on Feb 16, 2014 20:29:20 GMT
Mac, I wouldn't sack him now but the chance of him still being here next season is beyond my comprehension.
I can't see anyway that he will get this side promoted, which will mean that we have wasted a whole year of delaying rebuilding the club.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 16, 2014 20:42:50 GMT
We lose 2 games and are now calling on the manager to be sacked?? Word fail me! I don't think it is the losing of 2 games but the manner of the 2 losses.We turn up having listened to all the motivational talk by players and management and see a performance that is absolute rubbish.The ground was nearly empty 10 minutes from the end haven't see that for years.And also although we will always go to QPR we are paying to be entertained and that just isn't happening.I would love somebody to explain to me the tactic of going 3 at the back when 3-1 down and bringing on another midfield player and not using our 3rd sub.We needed to go for it with 3 up front but no.
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Post by eels on Feb 16, 2014 21:57:43 GMT
Agree with the thread completely , but do not think sacking HR is the answer. I really hope we do not go up with this team , I could not stand the stick I would get when we surely would be relegated again . Next season a younger head is needed with new ideas and some faith in our own young talent .
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 10:32:25 GMT
I agree too. We look to be heading at best for the play-offs and given the manner of our recent performances, we will be lucky even to achieve that. Given our unstable team selection and the obvious lack of passion and commitment in the side, I would say we have a zero chance of beating any of the other top 6 sides in a play-off competition. Better to get rid of Redknapp now and get Malky Mackay in. He would fire the team up for the rest of the season and if we didn't go up (which looks likely anyway), he would still be an ideal long-term appointment. Frankly, I'm sick of watching the dross that Redknapp has served up over the past 15 months he has been in charge. He has had enough time and enough money (3 transfer windows) to sort things out and we have made little, if any progress. We have a team of ageing, over-paid players who seem to care little for the club. It shows in the poor atmosphere at home games. We need someone in charge who has genuine passion and players who are hungry for success and see QPR as an exciting opportunity, not just the promise of another fat pay cheque. I doubt Tony will sack Redknapp yet, but sincerely hope he does, just so we can start to look forward to going to Loftus Road again. If Redknapp is still there in the Summer I won't be renewing my season-ticket whatever division we're in. Unfortunately, Redknapp represents the soulless, money-orientated nature of modern football at its worse.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 17, 2014 11:11:03 GMT
I find this a bit pathetic TBH .
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 11:18:11 GMT
Redknapp pathetic or the argument about him being sacked? Don't know if you go to the games or not but everyone I spoke to yesterday said they were sick of watching the same dire football, with no plan B and no real progress being made. Crowds will soon start to dwindle back down to 12,000 and less. I know a couple who paid 66 quid to sit in the Upper Loft and watch that dross yesterday. I find that truly pathetic TBH.
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Post by kenthoop on Feb 17, 2014 12:14:19 GMT
Well said scubahoop agree with everything you say ,but you do know there are an awful lot of redknapp devotees on here who thinks he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the sun shines out of his proverbial backside ,as you probably know from my previous threads I an not one ,as I said I would like to see him gone along with his entourage and someone like malky Mackay installed sooner rather than later ,this team needs a kick up the backside to get them playing again and I don't see redknapp able to do it ,doesn't seem to motivate them anymore ,also good old harry seems to have lost interest ,some of his substitutions quite frankly amaze me ,wtf did he bring on Zamora instead of Maiga and then Bennny the mind boggles
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 12:20:07 GMT
I think you'd be heard pressed to find ANY "Redknapp devotees" on this board.
Just a difference whether should stick with Redknapp and hope he gets us up - and hasnt done terribly..While others think should be gone on his way now.
But anyone here who's wildly happy with Redknapp/think he's done great/isnt disappointed to some degree or other? I don't think so.
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Post by kenthoop on Feb 17, 2014 12:38:52 GMT
What about doeboy
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 17, 2014 12:41:11 GMT
There must be room in that taxi to fantasy island for kunthoop..!!
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 17, 2014 12:45:30 GMT
Redknapp pathetic or the argument about him being sacked? Don't know if you go to the games or not but everyone I spoke to yesterday said they were sick of watching the same dire football, with no plan B and no real progress being made. Crowds will soon start to dwindle back down to 12,000 and less. I know a couple who paid 66 quid to sit in the Upper Loft and watch that dross yesterday. I find that truly pathetic TBH. Yes I go to games. And yes I find talk of sacking a manager cos of 2 defeats after losing 3 key players, unhelpful.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 12:53:35 GMT
Cheers Kenthoop. In the car on the way home, talking about the game, none of us could understand why Zamora came on rather than Maiga. Redknapp gives the impression he just doesn't know what to do anymore. Why is it always the case that we begin nearly every game with no urgency or desire? What does he, Bond and Jordan say in the team-talk. Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to inspire them. There's a lack of passion that begins at the top. Apart from Barton, Dunne and Hill yesterday, everybody else just gave up at 3-1.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 13:18:53 GMT
Jon, it's not just 2 defeats though is it? Look at our performances and recent form (i.e. since December) We're on the slide. Our only truly convincing performances were Bournemouth at home and second half against Ipswich away. This recent slump has been coming for a long time and we will struggle to get out of it. Injuries have been unfortunate but both Austin and Phillips are injury prone anyway and Redknapp should have adequately planned for the possibility of losing his main striker. That's his job and he gets paid millions of pounds for it. Frankly, he has not been good enough in the 15 months he has been in charge and given the funds at his disposal he has chronically under-achieved. He has been outwitted by every other top 6 Championship manager and still does not know his best starting 11 or even squad.
I'm sorry you find this unhelpful but how exactly do you think that Redknapp will: a) get the team to finish the season strongly this year? b) build a better team for next season? c) produce a team that plays attractive and attacking football? After 15 months I've seen no evidence that Redknapp knows how to do any of the above. Plan B yesterday was to bring on Zamora and Benayoun!!! Not good enough.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 13:23:29 GMT
BBC 17 February 2014 Last updated at 12:38 GMT
Harry Redknapp: QPR should not be written off in promotion race
Manager Harry Redknapp says QPR's chances of automatic promotion to the Premier League should not be dismissed despite a third match without a win.
Sunday's 3-1 defeat at home by Reading left the R's four points behind second-placed Burnley, with a game in hand. He told BBC Radio 5 live: "It is all to play for and we have just got to put a run together. We are capable of that. "We have got every chance of doing it still. Don't write us off because we will be bang there." “Suddenly from having a regular look to it, we have had to revamp the team. At the moment we look a little like strangers” Harry Redknapp QPR manager QPR won all four of their league games last month, but are now 11 points behind Championship leaders Leicester after drawing with Burnley and defeats by Derby County and the Royals. Despite falling out of the automatic promotion places, Redknapp remains optimistic of securing an immediate return to the Premier League. "Every year I have a challenge and it is no different to any other year," he said. "All the years I have been in football it has always been the same. That is what you are in it for. "We are still the highest of the teams which came down last year and it is not easy to go straight back up. "There is a long way to go and we are still sitting above Reading. They'd like to be in our position." Redknapp says he will need to re-jig his starting XI after losing defender Danny Simpson, winger Matt Phillips and top scorer Charlie Austin to long-term injuries, along with midfielder Joey Barton to a two-match ban. "We lost three players who were ever-present and important players for us," he said. "Suddenly from having a regular look to it, we have had to revamp the team. At the moment we look a little like strangers. "I've got to come up with a way of playing now that will suit us and get us some results. "Hopefully we'll get Ravel Morrison in this week, who might just give us a bit of magic. Hopefully he can make a difference." www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26227826
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 17, 2014 13:50:52 GMT
Cheers Kenthoop. In the car on the way home, talking about the game, none of us could understand why Zamora came on rather than Maiga. Redknapp gives the impression he just doesn't know what to do anymore. Why is it always the case that we begin nearly every game with no urgency or desire? What does he, Bond and Jordan say in the team-talk. Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to inspire them. There's a lack of passion that begins at the top. Apart from Barton, Dunne and Hill yesterday, everybody else just gave up at 3-1. I don't think Hoilett or Traore gave up!!!!
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 14:01:50 GMT
No, but with both of them, there is rarely anything at the end of it. They both get forward quickly but their final ball is invariably a poor one. I agree they have both given relatively decent performances lately, but for players on 50k each a week they are also long standing chronic under-performers. Not sure if they are still under contract next year, but if not, I wouldn't keep either of them.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 14:02:39 GMT
Of course neither Hoilett nor Traore are Redknapp signings
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 14:16:21 GMT
No, Hoillet was a Hughes signing, Tarore possibly a Warnock signing? Shows that signing other Prem or ex-Prem players rarely works. You just end up with complacent, over-paid players. Having all these players on loan is also not working.We should be looking at younger talent in the Championship for the majority of our future signings and coaching players to continually improve themselves. This takes time but I'm sure the majority of our fans would prefer to see gradual, but visible improvement over the revolving door of marquee signings and fire-fighting that has characterised our policy over the past 3 years.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 17, 2014 14:23:24 GMT
For me the main reasons for the slump in form has obviously been the loss of 3 main players but also we are getting overrun in midfield. Since Harry has put Kranjar alongside Barton we've struggled. He's just not mobile enough to get around the pitch and is not defensively minded at all. He never looks to pick up the runners from deep so Barton is having to cover to much space. This is where we're also missing Ale faulin not as skilful as Kranjar but put him along Barton and it tightens up that central midfield position. So looking at who we have to step into that position there are a few options Jenas,Carroll,Henry,Benayoun or O'neill. Don't honestly know which one I would pick but just feel one of those would do a better job defensively than Kranjar. When we played a more defensive midfield we were also tighter at the back and not letting in many goals but since Kranjar has been in there we've let in 6 in the last 2 home games. For me Kranjar needs to play in that position behind the striker because although we have been starting games with 2 strikers lately we're not really playing with 2 up front 1 striker is dropping in to support the midfield.
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