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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 15:14:29 GMT
Cahill and Terry at the back....OOPS!!!
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 15:47:37 GMT
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jun 2, 2012 16:53:54 GMT
Nice goal................. And I hate reading some of this unpatriotic sh1t. Come on England!
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Post by fraserinbc on Jun 2, 2012 19:23:31 GMT
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. - Samuel Johnson
So there we have it. A dull 1-0 victory. I agree that the defence will be pretty rock solid (although Belgium did hit the woodwork), but if we go 1-0 down you kind of worry about getting an equalizer.
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Post by bowles on Jun 2, 2012 19:33:49 GMT
i thought we were ok being as the manager has such a short time to sort out the team! i really cant for the life of me understand why adam johnson aint in the squad, he for me could have been a real game changer! still upwards and onwards!!!! COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!
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Post by cpr on Jun 2, 2012 19:38:02 GMT
Good result against a decent team.
No goals conceded.
Six more like that and we're champions.
What's to moan about?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 2, 2012 19:46:41 GMT
Defence looks great so far under Hogdson, don't think the attack is too good though.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jun 2, 2012 20:27:09 GMT
Good result against a decent team. No goals conceded. Six more like that and we're champions. What's to moan about? Spot on, the only thing I'd moan about is the same thing I always moan about with England, ball retention, we give it away too easy.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 2, 2012 20:54:49 GMT
Sorry to say that I thought England looked as if they'd be very susceptible to a more attacking team who retained the ball that much. However just watched Portugal have 60% possession, all the technique and lose 1-3 to Turkey so what do I know
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Post by alqpr81 on Jun 2, 2012 20:58:52 GMT
Where's Kyle Walker?? Is he injured or something? I hope so, else RH has annoyed me right off the bat! Also, Tom Cleverly..isn't he fit now? Why isn't Andy Johnson in there?
Glen Johnson does not float my boat, Milner is just a vastly overrated journeyman for me, and Ashley Young was terrible!! I hope they step it up when it matters, else we'll not even pass the group stage. Left out several better players in my opinion, although the only one I know is injured is Jack Wilshire.
Also, Leighton Baines would be 1st choice LB, again imo. I can't see us doing anything against a more established side if that lacklustre performance was anything to go by. Too many average players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 22:28:00 GMT
Where's Kyle Walker?? Is he injured or something? I hope so, else RH has annoyed me right off the bat! Also, Tom Cleverly..isn't he fit now? Why isn't Andy Johnson in there? Glen Johnson does not float my boat, Milner is just a vastly overrated journeyman for me, and Ashley Young was terrible!! I hope they step it up when it matters, else we'll not even pass the group stage. Left out several better players in my opinion, although the only one I know is injured is Jack Wilshire. Also, Leighton Baines would be 1st choice LB, again imo. I can't see us doing anything against a more established side if that lacklustre performance was anything to go by. Too many average players. Kyle Walker broke his toe in the last game of the season, We have to be more patient with the ball, Joe Hart knocking it long to often needs to stop, and when we are passing it we look to get the ball forward to quickly, the defence though looked solid, cant agree with Baines being first choice at lb Cole for me is getting better with age and was one of our best on the pitch today, , agree about Milner though Walcott for me is still a better choice down the right, least he has pace. Overall i thought it was an ok performence, solid at the back, but more pass and move needed, and i disagree with an earlier post from cookespieandmash, i didnt see one player on the pitch today who looked like they didnt care, they look to me to be up for the euros unike South Africa when the camp was in turmoil. COME ON ENGLAND
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Post by alqpr81 on Jun 3, 2012 3:17:07 GMT
Aaaah, now you mention it superhooper, I vaguely recall something about a broken toe. Ok, I'll let Hodgeson off for that one then!
Ashley Cole's pace has all but gone now, and although you can't deny his international experience I'm not sure he's good enough at this level now...don't know about him being one of the best on the pitch today. I didn't see it, but I could be biased!
On reflection though, friendlies are never that easy to go by. Is it Spain who have an awful record playing friendlies, but then go on to do well / win tournaments?
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Post by Marc on Jun 3, 2012 14:32:06 GMT
And another one bites the dust! Cahill out of the Euros with a broken jaw. Reckon Clint Hill should get the call.
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Post by cpr on Jun 3, 2012 15:13:01 GMT
Replaced by Martin Kelly, 24 games in 4 years. 1 England cap. Obviously clearly a better choice than Rio.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 3, 2012 15:15:32 GMT
Do you think Micah Richards is sitting at home and thinking "really"
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Post by cpr on Jun 3, 2012 15:17:19 GMT
Do you think Micah Richards is sitting at home and thinking "really" Perhaps thinking something like that!!!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 3, 2012 15:17:49 GMT
Don't think Hodgson will be England manager for very long......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2012 16:31:03 GMT
Don't think Hodgson will be England manager for very long...... I fully expect us to flop at the Euro's as per usual but I expect Hodgson to hang around to the world cup in Brazil. Whether we manage to qualify for that or not remains to be seen
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Post by cpr on Jun 4, 2012 7:37:40 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154218/Rio-Ferdinand-John-Terry-issue-farce--Matt-Lawton.htmlFootball reasons? What a farce! Rio should have been picked ahead of Terry in the first placeBy Matt Lawton PUBLISHED: 22:38, 3 June 2012 | UPDATED: 22:38, 3 June 2012 This is why Rio Ferdinand should have been selected ahead of John Terry in the first place, and why Terry should have paid the price for the moral mess England are in a week before the first game of Euro 2012. It is not because of what did or did not happen between Terry and Ferdinand’s brother, Anton, at Loftus Road in October. It is up to a magistrate to determine that when Terry stands trial for a racially aggravated public order offence next month. Trial date: John Terry's trial delay should have seen him dropped from the squad It is because of the request Chelsea made to delay the trial until after this month’s tournament. They did not want it sooner for fear it might disrupt their season, and that is fair enough.
But it has created what is now an uncomfortable situation for the FA and one that they, and Hodgson, perhaps should have anticipated. There can be no one who believes choosing Martin Kelly ahead of Ferdinand is what is best for England. No, Hodgson could not call up Ferdinand for one reason: Terry is in the squad. From the moment Hodgson opted for Terry ahead of Ferdinand for ‘football reasons’, there was always a danger England might suffer injuries that would expose the reasons for the nonsense they are. Something, presumably, thought up by a lawyer to stop Hodgson talking himself into trouble. Farce: Rio Ferdinand was first choice for Manchester United Ferdinand finished the season well, with Sir Alex Ferguson selecting him ahead of Phil Jones, in the squad as one of England’s four centre halves. If everyone accepts it would be difficult to take Ferdinand and Terry, the FA needed to take the lead as they did when they stripped Terry of the captaincy. Back in February, Ferdinand might not have made it for football reasons. But now he is worthy of a place and it looks ridiculous when a right back with two minutes of international experience replaces a central defender ahead of a man with 81 caps. Sorry sight: Gary Cahill's injury was the catalyst for this situation Hodgson did not speak to Ferdinand and Terry about playing together. He knew it would be difficult. But had he picked Ferdinand, and pointed to the trial’s delay for Terry’s omission, there would be no issue now. On Saturday, when it became obvious Cahill may miss out, Hodgson would not discuss Ferdinand. He thinks he avoided the issue again by selecting Kelly. Perhaps Gary Neville will be told he is training for real next. So England go to Poland and Ukraine, amid concerns about racism in Eastern Europe, without the brother of the player who might have been racially abused as the player who might have racially abused him is already in the squad.Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154218/Rio-Ferdinand-John-Terry-issue-farce--Matt-Lawton.html#ixzz1wo7sedPJI note that the fat bearded west ham blogger has much to say in the mail today and yet no mention of this latest selection joke, funny that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 8:00:44 GMT
I still feel as I posted when the Euro squad was announced that Ferdinand refused to play alongside Terry so was not selected and Hodgson had to make the excuse that he was left out for footballing reasons. But to not have Ferdinand or Richards in a team with injuries is poor management in my opinion If Terry had been injured instead of Cahill I am 99% sure that Hodgson would of been on the phone to Ferdinand the next day
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 8:08:54 GMT
Forget this Rio Ferdinand stuff. Should have called up Anton Ferdinand and had his room with Terry!
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Post by scubahoop on Jun 4, 2012 10:45:32 GMT
Thought the analysis I read in the Guardian was pretty spot-on. Along the lines of England are aiming to be like Greece in 2004. Certainly not lovely to watch, but effective nevertheless. Good defensively, hard to break down, lure the opposition in by allowing them lots of pretty possession and then hit them with a well worked counter strike. Then, shut up shop again and see out the game. With players like Hart, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Wellbeck, Young and Defoe we are well set up to play like this. I think we are pretty good up front (even without Rooney) and capable of scoring once in any game. Whether we can defend so well against top oppposition remains to be seen (we'll find out next Monday) and I'd hate to see us have to chase a game. Also, progress might well depend on overcoming our penalty hoo-doo hell. Now is as good a time as any other.... Looking forward to the tournament and glad we're in it.
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 10:51:33 GMT
Thought the analysis I read in the Guardian was pretty spot-on. Along the lines of England are aiming to be like Greece in 2004. Certainly not lovely to watch, but effective nevertheless. Good defensively, hard to break down, lure the opposition in by allowing them lots of pretty possession and then hit them with a well worked counter strike. Then, shut up shop again and see out the game. With players like Hart, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Wellbeck, Young and Defoe we are well set up to play like this. I think we are pretty good up front (even without Rooney) and capable of scoring once in any game. Whether we can defend so well against top oppposition remains to be seen (we'll find out next Monday) and I'd hate to see us have to chase a game. Also, progress might well depend on overcoming our penalty hoo-doo hell. Now is as good a time as any other.... Looking forward to the tournament and glad we're in it. Me to! What I remember about that tournament is the Ronaldo 'wink' when he got Rooney sent off.
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Post by scubahoop on Jun 4, 2012 11:16:17 GMT
That wink was two years later alfaranger, at the 2006 Germany World Cup but the result was the same - losing to Portugal on penalties, so it is easy to confuse the two. In fact, the last 20 + years of watching England is a traumatic blur of sending offs and penalty shoot-out misery. I still feel ashamed at the very bad language I used in front of the tv that day, mind you it wasn't a lot better at times during the recent City match!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 4, 2012 11:20:26 GMT
Yeah it was in the 2006 world cup that Ronaldo did the wink at Rooney.
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 11:22:25 GMT
Yeah it was in the 2006 world cup that Ronaldo did the wink at Rooney. Ah well! My memory eh! Still thought he was a c**t for doing it though.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 4, 2012 11:25:18 GMT
Yeah it was in the 2006 world cup that Ronaldo did the wink at Rooney. Ah well! My memory eh! Still thought he was a c**t for doing it though. I had actually forgotten about that incident completely until just now. I remember Rooney stamping on someone's balls though. My main memory from the 2006 World Cup was the Zidane head butt in the final, probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen on TV
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 12:58:01 GMT
Thought the analysis I read in the Guardian was pretty spot-on. Along the lines of England are aiming to be like Greece in 2004. Certainly not lovely to watch, but effective nevertheless. Good defensively, hard to break down, lure the opposition in by allowing them lots of pretty possession and then hit them with a well worked counter strike. Then, shut up shop again and see out the game. With players like Hart, Terry, Cole, Gerrard, Wellbeck, Young and Defoe we are well set up to play like this. I think we are pretty good up front (even without Rooney) and capable of scoring once in any game. Whether we can defend so well against top oppposition remains to be seen (we'll find out next Monday) and I'd hate to see us have to chase a game. Also, progress might well depend on overcoming our penalty hoo-doo hell. Now is as good a time as any other.... Looking forward to the tournament and glad we're in it. Me to! What I remember about that tournament is the Ronaldo 'wink' when he got Rooney sent off. Rooney got Rooney sent off
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 5, 2012 0:14:43 GMT
Euro 2012 will be about as entertaining as the European Song Contest - Another politically motivated bore.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 5, 2012 22:04:35 GMT
Have NOT missed him...! Guardian
Sven-Goran Eriksson: 'Rio Ferdinand was left out for football reasons'
• Eriksson: 'How do I know? You have to trust me on that one' • The former England manager is a friend of Roy Hodgson's David Hytner guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 5 June 2012 Sven-Goran Eriksson has suggested that he has the inside line on why his friend Roy Hodgson omitted Rio Ferdinand from the England squad for Euro 2012 and it has nothing to do with race rows and everything to do with the Manchester United defender's form and fitness. Hodgson has said nothing so far on the reasons why he overlooked Ferdinand for the second time at the weekend, when he preferred to promote Liverpool's Martin Kelly to replace the injured Gary Cahill. The fallout from the decision has been intense, with Ferdinand convinced that the "footballing reasons" Hodgson cited for his original exclusion have now been exposed as a sham. Ferdinand believes that Hodgson has opted against selecting him because of the allegations of racism that his younger brother, Anton, made against John Terry, whom Hodgson has picked for the finals in Poland and Ukraine. England begin their Group D campaign against France in Donetsk on Monday. Hodgson is scheduled to speak to the media on Thursday at England's training base in Krakow and the issue is certain to be at the top of the agenda. But Eriksson has offered a taster of what Hodgson might be expected to argue and, according to him, it is based on the England manager's opinion of Ferdinand's condition. "We mustn't forget that Rio has suffered from injuries this season," said Eriksson, the former England manager, in his column in the Swedish newspaper Expressen. "Roy has his reasons. Otherwise, he wouldn't have rejected Rio – twice. Many try to connect the dots between the race allegations against John Terry and Roy leaving Ferdinand out of the squad. I know there is no truth in these claims. How? You're just going to have to trust me. "With less than a week to go, Roy wanted the player joining the squad to be match fit. Someone who has carried on with his training after the end of league play. It has been an entirely football-based decision. That's all there is to it. Personally, I just find the whole thing to be quite silly. First of all, they're all good footballers. Secondly, Roy's got rock solid knowledge when it comes to the players' current form. So let me suggest that we all save our verdicts until after the tournament." Hodgson has many prominent football friends in Scandinavia and one of his closest is Reine Almqvist who, coincidentally, is Sweden's designated England scout. England face the Swedes in the second round of group fixtures. Eriksson joked that "my good friend Roy Hodgson has his hands full at the moment … the injury list just keeps getting longer and the amount of sleep he's getting is probably headed in the opposite direction." But Eriksson was in more mischievous mood when he considered an old adversary from his time in England and what that man might be thinking about Ferdinand's omission. "I suspect there's one person who is very happy about Rio being left out," Eriksson said. "Let's call him Sir Alex. Right now, I'm just waiting for Ferguson's appraisal of Roy Hodgson come his next media appearance. That's how things play out in England." Eriksson experienced club-versus-country conflict with Ferguson, the United manager, during his spell in charge of England. Ferguson has enjoyed a fine season from Ferdinand, with the player starting 36 times in all competitions for United and hardly missing a match in the second half of the campaign. He owed his consistency to a gruelling individual fitness regime. Eriksson was on more familiar ground with Ferguson when he sought to blame the English media for the current storm, although his reasoning, which was rooted in how Hodgson was treated during his time as the Liverpool manager, did feel slightly curious. "Having selected six Liverpool players [in the England squad], Roy is the target of a smear campaign," Eriksson said. "But I know Roy will face it without losing his composure. Remember, this is England. No squad is ever selected without criticism." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/05/eriksson-ferdinand-england-euro-2012
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