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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 10:59:25 GMT
Now we even have Ian Taylor retweeting Pete's Tweet re The CHelsea game! (Funny: Ian didn't retweet my tweet saying the club had acted outrageously re Warnock/Outing)
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 17, 2011 11:10:02 GMT
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 17, 2011 11:36:08 GMT
"Warnock is free to go after the leaker. he has absolutely no Right to advocate a campaign against the poster. When push comes to shove, he is a temporary employee of the club. He is not QPR. And he is not a QPR supporter." You didn't hear him on MOTD2, he said RicRoc is 'no longer a QPR fan'. Warnock has gone down drastically in my estimation because of this. Not seen that yet, if it's on catch up I'll have to watch it. Colin is due to be on ESPN 22:00-22:45 Live:Between The Lines this evening, Custis is also on there, could be interesting! Him and Barton have the self-publicist thing in common eh! ;D
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 17, 2011 11:47:09 GMT
As I was saying! ==================
@bryandavid150 Bryan Waters Barton addressing a conference in London? Good god, he's going into public speaking now. Anything else he won't do? #QPR
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 17, 2011 11:56:08 GMT
i think ricroc should out this player who is passing info on.
the player does not seem to like QPR at all,
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 17, 2011 12:11:01 GMT
i think ricroc should out this player who is passing info on. the player does not seem to like QPR at all, Many receive this kind of information from players and staff. Fortunately only a few are silly enough to post it on the internet. If RicRoc had posted it on any other QPR board I'm sure it would have been deleted as requested and his personal information would not have been given to the club. The problem isn't the poster, it's the website, the manner in which it operates and more specifically the owner who clearly has a conflict of interests and not the club's best interests at heart.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 17, 2011 12:14:21 GMT
Its all a pile of poo , all distracting the Players before a crunch match with Chelsea. Warnocks let it go a bit to far in my reckoning , Barton needs to shut the Fcuk up stop doing interviews and get his A game back . Barton also needs to grow up a little and stop putting snidy little digs about one of his players , man up do it face to face not thro the press. Tarbs need to train harder and actually show us what hes worth in the Premiership and get back to the player he was a few weeks ago . The player or person that gave the leak to Ricroc should be punished so it never happens again , end of.
Maybe then only then we can go back people talking about QPR for football on the pitch like they were against Newcastle and Wolves.
To many big Ego's around at the minute , get a grip.
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Post by klr on Oct 17, 2011 12:20:04 GMT
Can someone please explain to me ( briefly ) what this kerfuffle is all about ?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 12:20:17 GMT
To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what we'd have done, if RicRoc had posted that info on this site.
And to be equally honest, I'm not sure how we would have reacted if we had got a personal call from Warnock or Bhatia or perhaps Ian Taylor, saying for the good of the club, please delete information about team formation.
I do feel 100% confident however, that if Ric Roc had posted that on this board; and then subsequently asked to have that post deleted while the club, said please keep it... Well at least on this board, that would be a no brainer.
Just as, if the club said, give us a poster email (or other information), we'd say no. We'd obviously pass on to the poster the request to contact the club; we'd pass on an email to the poster from the club. But the other way around? No.
And that's the kind of no brainer I'd expect would apply to dot.org or LFW or .org or Indys or .net... Just one board missing from this list.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:20:34 GMT
I do not agree, with all due respect. Warnock is right, why are you helping the enemy? We could play 4-5-1, 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 why tell blackburn how we are gonna line up? Exactly what purpose does it serve? Oh, I'm ITK, ain't I special, I know more that you lot. Ego trip. I was there for a long time, I know Ric-Roc, he is a piece of sh1te.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 12:25:18 GMT
One of the favourite phrases from that site is Bertie Smalls. Funny how they have all forgotten it since this ric roc bloke passed on confidential information a player told a trusted friend. Someone will probably end up getting sacked over this (The player who told his driver who then told Bertie.) People sticking up for him and saying he deserves an apology, or should take legal action is beyond laughable. Some things that will obviously get people in trouble should go unsaid, especially on message boards. Hope the driver and player treat him with the contempt he deserves, and that is one of a 'grass'.
Oh and he tried it the week before as well, made a post saying Helguson was starting (which was well wrong) and another about the unrest and rows at Fulham. So it wasnt a one off mistake and error of judgement.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 12:31:16 GMT
Mr. Waterbuffalo: I don't know Ric-Roc...I have no mental image of where he stands. And I can see how Warnock might be upset with his post.
But if the club requested that the post be kept up, that mitigates to some degree. If the poster requested his post be removed, that mitigates to some degree.
And if Warnock right after the game, had just said fan did something wrong, etc. ok
But not this constant stream against the poster Not calling him out as not a real QPR fan And certainly not announcing his email. And the club, posting his email And not Warnock later on, continuing the onslaught
The club should look at its own leaker.
Now it might be a little hard, because a culture of leaking became accepted at Loftus Road...A non-stop torrent of leaks, mostly to one place. So in those circumstances, maybe it was no longer considered to be so bad.
And then the club might also consider: The connection between the club and a messageboard. And contacts and information passed (in both directions). Who. What. When. Where. Why. Etc
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:34:57 GMT
If somebody meets him in the ground punch him in the face for me. Unfortunately I have to travel 6557 miles to do it. I am not advocating violence but I do not want to see qpr relegated, and then take 16 years to come back again.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 12:35:40 GMT
One of the favourite phrases from that site is Bertie Smalls. Funny how they have all forgotten it since this ric roc bloke passed on confidential information a player told a trusted friend. Someone will probably end up getting sacked over this (The player who told his driver who then told Bertie.) People sticking up for him and saying he deserves an apology, or should take legal action is beyond laughable. Some things that will obviously get people in trouble should go unsaid, especially on message boards. Hope the driver and player treat him with the contempt he deserves, and that is one of a 'grass'. Oh and he tried it the week before as well, made a post saying Helguson was starting (which was well wrong) and another about the unrest and rows at Fulham. So it wasnt a one off mistake and error of judgement. You are so wrong. There's two grasses and he's not one of them. The first grass is the person whom leaked the info to him and the second grass is the person whom gave the club his e-mail.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 12:37:43 GMT
You're heading for a ban with that kind of talk, Mr. Waterbuffalo
None of us want to see QPR Relegated
I think people can make mistakes...
And yes, I would welcome RicRoc on this board (not that I'm expecting him - although we would keep his {presumably new!) email information confidential! - as I welcome all new posters - with clean slates and judging them on how they post on this board. That's what we've always done. That's what we will always do.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 12:40:51 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 17, 2011 12:42:13 GMT
Now it might be a little hard, because a culture of leaking became accepted at Loftus Road...A non-stop torrent of leaks, mostly to one place. So in those circumstances, maybe it was no longer considered to be so bad. or maybe this is the new way now, 'zero tolerance' on leaks
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:42:38 GMT
Fine . Whatever. Bring all the ITK's over here, tell the whole world how we are gonna play.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 12:43:20 GMT
You are so wrong. There's two grasses and he's not one of them. The first grass is the person whom leaked the info to him and the second grass is the person whom gave the club his e-mail. So posting untold posts straight from a players mouth (who really is doing nothing wrong talking to a freind about work) is not 'grassing'? Right, glad you told me, ive been schooled. Thank you.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:48:00 GMT
Mac...I don't want his e-mail I just do not want him to do this again. It is only my personal opinion, that story made it to malaysian papers and it does not help the club. I'll drop it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 12:51:04 GMT
Mike Hunt, Yes you have been.
Good way to start your career off on this site. First post abuse another person, 2nd post, be sarcastic to another person.
I fail to see how if a player or another person tells you something and you repeat it, it's grassing. Everytime we have a conversation in your opinion, and we repeat it to someone else, we're grassing??
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 17, 2011 12:55:36 GMT
Lone G, Mike is only saying that he doesn't like a snitch, and I agree with him. Yes it's 'ugly' to talk about but it is how we feel. I despite snitches, because they betray our trust. I put great store in loyalty, and does Warnock and mike. It just isn't done. It's not crikeeet.. (G. Boycott)
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 12:57:03 GMT
You can certainly say he shouldnt have posted the information...But no way is it grassing. (Now it might be more legitimately be viewed as grassing, should he reveal who his leak is)
Maybe I missed it, but the reaction to the guy's original post as I recall on the boards was "it's bs." I don't recall posters saying, "If it's true, he shouldnt have been posting it"
So to repeat: probably shouldnt have done it. He tried to get it off the board.
The two bigger "sins" - the Person at the club who did the leak; the fact that this guy's email was passed on to the club...And I would say, a third "sin" - Warnock and the club's campaign of vitriol against the poster, which goes far beyond what is acceptible.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 12:57:22 GMT
Sorry for my bad start Lone, but i think everyone is being far too sympathetic against someone stirring up shit just to look cool and ITK, and for what i consider 'treason' against the football club i love. Ill try to not say what i think in future so i dont get judged a wrong un, but im sorry i cant on this subject.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 12:58:16 GMT
My guess is the leak is Puncheon by the way for what its worth.
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 17, 2011 13:00:29 GMT
Maybe I missed it, but the reaction to the guy's original post as I recall on the boards was "it's bs." I don't recall posters saying, "If it's true, he shouldnt have been posting it" The reason everyone thought it was all bull shit was because he done a post the week before saying this informant player had said Helguson was defintiely starting, which was wrong, so everyone just presumed he was doing it again and attention seeking.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 13:01:08 GMT
There is a serious issue here. Who leaked and who reported Ric Rocs email. If you want snitches, find out who those two people are. Let's not move away from these two significant issues. Its internet sacrilege to divulge such information.
I reiterate a comment from Mac. NO mod on this site would forward anyone's e-mail address to any other party or organisation. If you want to get hold of that person and they are a member of this site, PM them.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 13:02:47 GMT
Sorry for my bad start Lone, but i think everyone is being far too sympathetic against someone stirring up shit just to look cool and ITK, and for what i consider 'treason' against the football club i love. Ill try to not say what i think in future so i dont get judged a wrong un, but im sorry i cant on this subject. All good. no issues here except who leaked and who gave over the e-mail. For a second time, welcome to the site.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 13:03:12 GMT
Thanks for the "calming down" - You can express you views, just "temperately"
He posted on a board, where leaks and ITK are welcomed - and formed the "Raison d'etre" of the site - Certainly the primary reason for why numbers read it: Because believed were reading ITK... Certainly by one now-somewhat "tarnished" poster/moderator...
But it's motivation: Did the guy INTEND to cause harm? I don't think so.
Did he try and make ammends? Limit the damage? I think so
I personally would be leary of using the term "traitor" or "treason" - But if it were to apply to anyone, it would surely be more accurately applied to those ostensible QPR-fans who put temporary club officials over the good of the club.
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 13:03:13 GMT
Everyone will have an opinion on the poster, his actions etc, it's what happens on message boards, although it is possible to be critical without being offensive.
As for that site, it was setup for the express purpose of being ITK wannabees, each competing against the other and claiming to be right. Hence I do not visit it, in fact, I was pleased when it was setup as that small band stopped spouting irritating rumours (99% wrong) on Rivals.
You reap what you sow I guess.
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