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Post by harlowranger on Oct 16, 2011 19:32:30 GMT
No need to apologise Bowles , think theres alot that feel the same way , maybe Neil is taking frustrations out on things due to us not performing who knows . Lets see what happens over the next 5 games and see if he can get that same showing as the Newcastle, Wolves and Villa games.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Oct 16, 2011 19:35:15 GMT
i sense trouble at mill, what happened to the feel good factor we had only just a few weeks ago, it pisses me off things never stay stable at lr, whats the point in falling out we need to all pull together, otherwise rockbottom is where we will be heading, a message to everyone at the club, stop f**cking bickering like little children and start concentrating on the job at hand, i.e staying in the bleeding prem.
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Post by cpr on Oct 16, 2011 19:35:23 GMT
He is, has and always will be Colin to me.
As I've mentioned before to a few that have had digs about me referring to him as such, it is now a term of endearment, as it were.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 16, 2011 19:46:47 GMT
doesn't bother me about our performances, we all know that it's a rough ride with our beloved hoops.
i just dont want sh1t arguing amongst players and staff, do stuff on the pitch and we will follow to the end.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 16, 2011 20:11:30 GMT
The QPR boss was also keen to have his say on a leak that appeared on an internet fans forum on Friday, which revealed intimate details regarding his team selection. Showing a piece of paper with an e-mail address which read ricroc@hotmail.co.uk, he said: "It's disappointing that a 'so-called' QPR fan leaks confidential information about the team the day before a big match. "I can't get my head around things like this. As a QPR fan, he certainly didn't do me any favours." I know ricroc, he's an, well I can't quite say it. But you get my drift.
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Post by blockhead on Oct 16, 2011 20:17:28 GMT
the saying in journalism is that the source is always more important than the story, loose the confidence of the source, loose the credibility of the paper.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 16, 2011 20:22:11 GMT
The QPR boss was also keen to have his say on a leak that appeared on an internet fans forum on Friday, which revealed intimate details regarding his team selection. Showing a piece of paper with an e-mail address which read ricroc@hotmail.co.uk, he said: "It's disappointing that a 'so-called' QPR fan leaks confidential information about the team the day before a big match. "I can't get my head around things like this. As a QPR fan, he certainly didn't do me any favours." I know ricroc, he's an, well I can't quite say it. But you get my drift. Don't know him myself but do know people who say he is safe. He made a silly mistake, tried to sort it but got royally stitched up by Petey.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 16, 2011 21:36:07 GMT
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Post by cpr on Oct 16, 2011 21:39:45 GMT
Done that one on page two, keep up man!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 16, 2011 21:42:22 GMT
tighten things up at the back while you're at it
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Post by Bushman on Oct 16, 2011 21:44:02 GMT
I know ricroc, he's an, well I can't quite say it. But you get my drift. Don't know him myself but do know people who say he is safe. He made a silly mistake, tried to sort it but got royally stitched up by Petey. How low will Petey go.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 16, 2011 21:47:53 GMT
Apologies CP had an early night last night , watched MOTD and it finished me off , hadnt seen all of page two , so now what happens ticking off or more fines , In the last month we had Barton goading Wolves , Traore fines , Bartons twitter , Tarbs half time and this , guess we are just having a bad run of it . Surely cant help the team with all these distractions can it ?I suppose a proffesional footballer should still be able to operate at 100% with this going on .
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Post by cpr on Oct 16, 2011 23:07:59 GMT
Apologies CP had an early night last night , watched MOTD and it finished me off , hadnt seen all of page two , so now what happens ticking off or more fines , In the last month we had Barton goading Wolves , Traore fines , Bartons twitter , Tarbs half time and this , guess we are just having a bad run of it . Surely cant help the team with all these distractions can it ?I suppose a proffesional footballer should still be able to operate at 100% with this going on . Only joshing mate As for your comments, it could only be us couldn't it eh? Probably the most obviously stable times we have in years, apparently decent and well meaning owners, backing the manager with a few players in a short space of time that gives us a more than remote chance of staying up. Then a few bad results and a poster on a website tells of unrest and disruption within the club and at the training ground then follows it up with breaking team news information, all on the same website. If we don't have problems, it seems we have fans who want to create them, or even if they are real, expose them to the whole internet world, beggar's belief, simply beggars belief. Now far be it for me to make comparisons with a certain manager we had and a website but I don't like the smell.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 16, 2011 23:44:38 GMT
Warnock is free to go after the leaker. he has absolutely no Right to advocate a campaign against the poster. When push comes to shove, he is a temporary employee of the club. He is not QPR. And he is not a QPR supporter. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/8830292/QPR-manager-Neil-Warnock-in-the-hunt-for-dressing-room-whistle-blower.htmlQPR manager Neil Warnock in the hunt for dressing room whistle blower Careless talk costs points. Neil Warnock has uncovered enemies within at Queens Park Rangers and the manager is taking immediate action after some unerringly accurate team news for Saturday’s match was posted in advance on a website. Time for change: Neil Warnock brings on Adel Taarabt against Blackburn but is unhappy news to start him on the bench was leaked. Photo: GETTY IMAGES By Ben Findon11:00PM BST 16 Oct 2011Comment Warnock’s plans to give Heidar Helguson and Jamie Mackie their first starts of the season and leave Adel Taraabt on the subsitutes’ bench, along with news of DJ Campbell’s training ground injury on Thursday, were blown wide open by a supporter, and the QPR manager was in withering mood after his revamped side were held by struggling Blackburn. “I hope our loyal fans get hold of the person as I will definitely put it on our website so that they can bombard him,” Warnock said. “They are lower than the low. They can’t be a QPR fan, that is for certain.” Warnock is hot on the trail of the source of the story. “It is disappointing as it has come from the dressing room. I’ve got ideas but you can’t start pointing fingers, can you? We will have to tighten things up.” The QPR manager also has a leak to plug in his defence, who were unable to deal with the aerial menace of Blackburn’s Christopher Samba and paid the price when the ironclad defender thumped home a header eight minutes after Helguson had given QPR the lead. Warnock was on the warpath again over Campbell’s broken metatarsal, blaming his training footwear. “If you see the yellow boots they wear, they are like carpet slippers.” RELATED ARTICLES Kean runs, but can't hide 07 Oct 2011 Kean battles to save job 05 Oct 2011 Kean in search of Indian tonic 02 Oct 2011 Barton questions Taarabt's 'genius' tag 16 Oct 2011 Queens Park Rangers v Blackburn Rovers: match preview 14 Oct 2011 Barton not surprised by Tévez tantrum 01 Oct 2011 QPR look short in attack, but that will be addressed in January, according to chairman Tony Fernandes, who said: “We may end up with five [new] players. "We definitely have to strengthen the squad, there are no two ways about it. Up front, we could do with a little more depth.” Down in the Blackburn bunker, it was not fully apparent just how useful Friday’s intelligence from west London had been, particularly with manager Steve Kean admitting he had set up his team, with Jason Lowe in a deep holding role, especially to counter the threat of Taarabt. In any case it’s a case of keeping calm and carrying on for Kean, whose side slipped to the bottom of the table through results elsewhere. He could at least be encouraged by his side’s application....
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 17, 2011 0:06:57 GMT
"Warnock is free to go after the leaker. he has absolutely no Right to advocate a campaign against the poster. When push comes to shove, he is a temporary employee of the club. He is not QPR. And he is not a QPR supporter."
You didn't hear him on MOTD2, he said RicRoc is 'no longer a QPR fan'. Warnock has gone down drastically in my estimation because of this.
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Post by jayrigg on Oct 17, 2011 0:39:07 GMT
Unfortunately in todays world of twitter, the internet,and blogs i had a feeling something like this might happen. Whats more interesting to me is that Neil is feeling the heat already after only a handful of games and it is showing. Little things give it away, the extraordinary dig at Traore the other week when he was sent off.Losing it big time on Saturday over an advantage not being played,(i am led to believe).
Ah well in for a penny...................
In Warnock we trust!!!
cheers,
Jay.
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Post by Hogan on Oct 17, 2011 1:48:24 GMT
Dont know the poster or how 'safe' or 'unsafe' he is, but he really dropped a major clanger to say the least.
The player who leaked this, well, he deserves whatever punishment he gets the stupid fugging foolish idiot, he said last week how the players hated the training and spoke of all the unrest, well it clearly showed against Blackburn, there are serious problems at the club, there is little doubt about it, and NW has to sort it out and fast.
Also, NW didn't use it as an excuse for the teams failure to win, he said it didn't do him any favours, he is not wrong there.
With regards the publishing of the email address, he shouldn't have done that, he should have said he knew the addy and would look into the matter to investigate the source of the leak and left it at that. I might add too that the addy posted on the offish is slightly different to the one NW read out in his conference.
The posters defence of being a 30 odd years of following the R's doesn't mean he can't be wrong, he did it for the glory hoping to be the first to post the 'itk' news and it blew up in his face.
Perhaps NW will not now tell the players his team until the they arrive at the ground on a matchday, unfortunately some of the players will not be mentally ready, but sadly, that is the damage that this episode has done, i hope the leaker and the player realise that.
As for who gave the details of the email address etc, well that is totally wrong. Also the version of events given by the poster that he spoke to the 'joint owner' as he likes to be known differs to that of said joint owner. The poster said he spoke the owner 15 minutes after the post and asked for its removal, the owner however claims it was some 90 minutes later.
It does appear our mr NW is feeling the heat, some of the decision making is barmy to say the least, and players mouthing off on tiwtter and other media is not good for stability, morale and unity and no wonder the confidence levels are so low.
Sort it out NW and sort it out now, take control, let the players know who is in charge in no uncertain terms. It is getting beyond a ridiculously silly pantomime.
As much as we all want to know what is really going on behind the scenes at our beloved club, this is not the way. This is not the way to make it better, not the way to let people know what really is happening, not the way to bring about positive change. It is the way to helping fu.ck things up big time, not by the early release of the team for the game, no its implications are far deeper, far more damaging, If the player was smart, and poster shrewd, they would have attempted a totally different approach, a smart approach, but hey, what has happened has happened, let us hope that any QPR fan who has resided on planet earch since Friday never forgets this episode and if they find themselves in a dilemma over 5 minutes of 'itk 'stardom or doing the right thing they take the right course of action.
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Post by superckat on Oct 17, 2011 3:57:30 GMT
I dont think RicRoc has done much wrong. He made a genuine mistake which he tried to correct. He's been stitched up and the person who stitched him up should be ashamed of himself. But won't be.
I think all the noise about this will pretty much guarantee this won't happen again. Neil needs to wise up now and forget spending time on all this whistle blowing shit. He needs to focus his time in getting the team performing and gaining points. Get the team and the tactics right that's what's important not all this other crap ffs.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 6:52:59 GMT
Imagine if Paladini had gone after "Macmoish" posting my email, attacking me as a non-supporter, etc, how (some of us at least!) would react. OK some of his "minions" did (and do) of course attack, denigrate, belittle, etc, etc... But we're talking Warnock here.. Yes there are a lot questions remaining about what happened. Who did what, etc. The timeline/explanation - Well there seems to be a certain puzzling. And the whole issue of a messageboard doing what the club requests as opposed to a fan requested And all can and should be discussed. But on the single issue of not whether a fan is right to post these details...But how Warnock is reacting and his comments about the fan. That's so far beyond the pale.
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Post by bowles on Oct 17, 2011 7:08:26 GMT
Imagine if Paladini had gone after "Macmoish" posting my email, attacking me as a non-supporter, etc, how (some of us at least!) would react. OK some of his "minions" did (and do) of course attack, denigrate, belittle, etc, etc... But we're talking Warnock here.. Yes there are a lot questions remaining about what happened. Who did what, etc. The timeline/explanation - Well there seems to be a certain puzzling. And the whole issue of a messageboard doing what the club requests as opposed to a fan requested And all can and should be discussed. But on the single issue of not whether a fan is right to post these details...But how Warnock is reacting and his comments about the fan. That's so far beyond the pale. spot on mate!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 7:37:49 GMT
Also all this "New Openess" at Loftus Road, with the various people tweeting away...When push comes to shove: They either stay silent, or just tweet away, ignoring the central issues of the day....
Regarding the fan: Warnock in the heat of the moment let himself go far beyond where he should have gone...To continue in this vein...And for the club to allow it is wrong....
Will be interesting to see if the club has any further response/takes any action against any others...
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 17, 2011 7:40:12 GMT
Oh Dear , did Warnock really say that on MOTD2 re Ricroc ! This has now become ridiculous , totally gone away from the fact we played like a pile of Sh1t. I hope this season doesnt carry on in this format for everyones sakes. After all that TF and Mittal has done since the end of October and between certain parties trying to press self destruct. Lets just put all these gripes to bed and move on , put in a performance with Balls. The joke of it is the Players are causing most of these Issues in the first Instance then it gets to Warnock who does his bit and more times than hes making homself look a little silly.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 8:08:08 GMT
Don't know him myself but do know people who say he is safe. He made a silly mistake, tried to sort it but got royally stitched up by Petey. How low will Petey go. Low enough to get a job in the media. Sky here I come??
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Post by Bushman on Oct 17, 2011 8:37:30 GMT
The part owner of the site who also works at the club has to take some responsibility for his handling of this. Giving the club Ric Rocs private information from the site was wrong. He has stitched the guy up well and truly to further his career in the media.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 17, 2011 8:41:59 GMT
The poster in question has said - repeatedly - that he requested the post be taken down....But the club wanted it to remain feeling removing it would give the post more substance (As if!) And WATRBPete followed the wishes of the club over the fan...And provided the club with his email. (There seems to be a little discrepancy over the timeline for all this)
I wonder who it was at the club who decided that the post should stay. Who at the club was in contact with Pete....Who at the club was in contact with the poster.? And I wonder how the club feels about that?
Of course it's never "The Club" who speaks or acts. It's individuals...Did the issue reach the level/attention of Fernandes or Bhatia? Did it reach the level of Beard? or was it the Communications Department
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 9:18:24 GMT
"Warnock is free to go after the leaker. he has absolutely no Right to advocate a campaign against the poster. When push comes to shove, he is a temporary employee of the club. He is not QPR. And he is not a QPR supporter." You didn't hear him on MOTD2, he said RicRoc is 'no longer a QPR fan'. Warnock has gone down drastically in my estimation because of this. Not seen that yet, if it's on catch up I'll have to watch it. Colin is due to be on ESPN 22:00-22:45 Live:Between The Lines this evening, Custis is also on there, could be interesting!
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Post by cpr on Oct 17, 2011 9:26:18 GMT
"Warnock is free to go after the leaker. he has absolutely no Right to advocate a campaign against the poster. When push comes to shove, he is a temporary employee of the club. He is not QPR. And he is not a QPR supporter." You didn't hear him on MOTD2, he said RicRoc is 'no longer a QPR fan'. Warnock has gone down drastically in my estimation because of this. Not seen that yet, if it's on catch up I'll have to watch it. Colin is due to be on ESPN 22:00-22:45 Live:Between The Lines this evening, Custis is also on there, could be interesting! MOTD2 is not listed on my Virgin TV catch up service. So Colin was on tele last night and will be on tele tonight. Wonder if he'll promote himself as a future England manager again or will his "noted" sense of humour hold him back?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 10:13:08 GMT
The part owner of that other site will never stand up and be counted. At the very least, he owes Ric Roc a massive public apology. He should have taken that thread down as soon as Ric Roc rang him and asked him too. Regardless of what the club said. He lost any credibility - if he ever had any in the first place, with that sole piece of lack of action.
He did Ric Roc a massive disservice. Warnock too, could issue an apology for getting carried away and showing the e-mail address. As for doing anything wrong, Ric Roc has done nothing to be ashamed of. He did not lie. He told what he believed to be the truth.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 17, 2011 10:33:55 GMT
The part owner of that other site will never stand up and be counted. At the very least, he owes Ric Roc a massive public apology. He should have taken that thread down as soon as Ric Roc rang him and asked him too. Regardless of what the club said. He lost any credibility - if he ever had any in the first place, with that sole piece of lack of action. He did Ric Roc a massive disservice. Warnock too, could issue an apology for getting carried away and showing the e-mail address. As for doing anything wrong, Ric Roc has done nothing to be ashamed of. He did not lie. He told what he believed to be the truth. Every time the part owner comes out with a "This is my last comment on it" (so far he has made three) . He digs himself an even bigger hole with more untruths.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 17, 2011 10:58:35 GMT
Out here, he'd be known as the "Minister of flip flop". Like every true politician, everyone's friend yet friend to no one. well he certainly helped F*** Ric Roc over and it wouldn't be the first time he's been involved in a questionable style of posting. That is all I have to say on the matter.
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