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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 29, 2011 19:58:34 GMT
To all those OSC committe members who have resigned I salute you, as I am sure will the vast majority of the fan base. Taking this stance proves to any doubters that you are real fans who share the pain and anguish of the majority as these w*nkers attempt to destroy our club. Those that go to games go in spite of them, not because of them and renewing is not supporting these disgusting owners. Any attempts to back the owners with vile crap about investing and saving our club are simply liars, mugs or idiots. They haven't invested, they've taken and multiplied our debt six fold. Hear hear. Thirded.
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Post by linda08 on Jun 29, 2011 20:10:17 GMT
Guys, of course I will try to answer any questions candidly. However, I'm not a gossip-merchant and will always try to be honest without exacerbating situations. I'm not itk, I'm not an empty vessel making lots of noise.... I'm just an honest QPR supporter of 40+ years trying to do the best for the likes of my family, friends and me and I have worked damned hard at the job.
For my part, I responded to an appeal for new members by the OSC committee about 2.5 years ago. I was appointed after written application - along with several others. I wasn't appointed to any particular role, it just became apparent that I was talented enough to be the Secretary because of my profession....I'm a P.A. at an internationally-reknowned bank (for my sins!). With the exception of very few of the regular meetings where minutes were not required, I have minuted the meetings on a regular basis. I've composed and sent several condolence letters at the passing of our loyal supporters such as Harold Winton, Neil Roberts, etc, in the name of the OSC and supporters. As you saw, we had an AGM in February of this year... albeit poorly supported but we stuck to the rules of the constitution and it's all minuted. Nobody put themselves forward for consideration to join the committee. Not entirely sure how seriously anyone took us - supporters or club - but we were serious in what we were trying to do! We've done several fundraisers, most of which were damned hard work, and we've raised money for the Trust, for NADs and, of course, Grace Murphy. Our hearts were truly in the right place and we relayed all of the concerns we heard from whomever raised them.
I truly hope that this may be a bit of a turning point for all QPR supporters, home and away, UK and abroad. It's time for respect to be paid but how long we have to wait I don't know. I'm just another member of the queue! lol
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Post by terryb on Jun 29, 2011 20:21:24 GMT
Linda
I have just read your latest message on Indy R's. Can I say that I thought that was excellant!
I'm sure that Mac would have no objection to you posting the same on this site & like you say we all need to stick together against the club board.
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Post by linda08 on Jun 29, 2011 20:22:38 GMT
feel free to cut and paste! lol
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Post by terryb on Jun 29, 2011 20:26:14 GMT
As posted on Indy R's by Linda & posted with permission.
By being affiliated to the Club do you honestly think the OSC could have had its own constitution unvetted by the Club? The OSC by its nature should represent all groups and all fans.... but it wasn't our idea to be the only channel into the club.
I've said elsewhere that the Official Supporters Club is not independent - clue is in the name "Official" and therefore bound by rules and regulations. Maybe it made a mockery of being a "supporters" club but there were lots of good works done under that banner too. Revert to the original motto of the OSC "to help not hinder", well we tried but there is only so far we could go, especially with regard to ticket pricing.
QPR is the club I've loved all my life, just like other members of the Commitee, and the passion and emotion expressed at the meeting was certainly put across well by all the Committee members and that was not apparent in the minutes that were published by the club.
However, QPR nowadays isn't the "club" it was, not the "club" my dad and grandads before me supported and there we all have to agree - whichever "split" we belong to - and how far does a group have to go to make the point? Perhaps it is time for everyone to stand together in common ground but, even then, will the real powers that be actually listen? Perhaps everyone can make an impact, but it has to be done without factions, with strength and purpose. No rivals, no enmity between supporters, no "itk", no inter-group bickering. Or is that wishful thinking?
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Post by obk on Jun 29, 2011 20:37:34 GMT
Welcome onboard Linda. As I wrote on Indy, good decision. I'm sure that you all have done what you can, but it can't be easy to work with the current board and the way they seem to think about common supporters.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 29, 2011 21:34:22 GMT
Would it be a bad idea if as many fans as possible joined the LSA to swell their ranks and hopefully they would become to big for the club to dismiss.......at the mo i'm not a member but i would join if it ment they had a bigger voice.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 29, 2011 21:53:08 GMT
Many thanks Linda.
I'm (in theory at least), a member of the LSA and QPR1st. (Although it's definitely very possible my membership expired years ago).
I think joining up would be great. I don't know what the views of the LSA or QPR1st are on specific matters or how to respond. But they're QPR supporters with common goals.
How you bring in all the QPR boards and what role can be done, I don't know.
How you can be in touch with probably the overwhelming majority of QPR fans who are not involved with any of the boards, is a very broad subject. But you can only do what you can do.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 29, 2011 22:07:57 GMT
Dave McIntyre Eusebio 13 Question - Have you heard that most of the OSC has resigned. Will the club notice? Dave McIntyre Answer: OSC stood idly by when its own secretary, who supported&worked 4QPR tirelessly, was disgracefully sacked.Says it all twitter.com/#!/davidmcintyre76
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Post by linda08 on Jun 29, 2011 23:22:33 GMT
Mike, Bex and I were two of the seven people (of a membership of how many?) who turned up to the QPR 1st AGM and we know many people in the LSA. We could go down that route of course but it has to be done orderly with no in-fighting. Of course, there are people on mb's without constitutions who also have a "say", but how to get that number of people together without egos (and that's the correct plural) getting in the way, that's the question. There are a lot of strong personalities involved and that will be the difficulty - how do we all work together for the common good, without individual agendas?
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Post by terryb on Jul 2, 2011 8:33:55 GMT
Having received no reply I have just resent the E mail including Paladini, Terry Springett & Rebecca Caplehorn this time.
I also added the question of when will the club inform the supporters of the resignations from thje OSC committee.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 2, 2011 8:51:26 GMT
I think maybe the club feels they can "run out the clock." - That there is a fan interest/outrage and then after expressions of outrage or statements issued, pretty much nothing happens. And things move on.
Just think after the FA/Faurlin findings...Many posted on boards that Paladini should leave - or at minumum given no involvement in the transfers.
And what happened to Paladini? Nothing as far as I can see.
Now it is true that it's not clear what fan outrage can actually do to affect things. But even messageboard discussion/discontent with Paladini has dwindled away.
And if Warnock is axed/leaves...the same. Will be expressions of outrage and discontent for a short period...and then, looking forward, etc.
So the club rule of thumb: Play for time
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Post by terryb on Jul 2, 2011 9:19:09 GMT
Mac, Agree with that 100%.
I had to basically force myself to re-send the questions as I too am losing interest due to being worn down.
Have I missed any reports that the BIG two, LSA & QPR 1st, are actually making any protests about prices, OSC etc. other than their initial statements?
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Post by saphilip on Jul 2, 2011 9:22:11 GMT
Mac - I have asked this question a few times before but how are the property prices in London these days?
Have they recovered yet, are they still in the doldrums or is it in between showing signs of recovery (I would guess the 3rd option)?
Because I think that that is the key to them playing for time. Maybe it is far fetched although I am no conspiracy theorist.
Let's face it Paladini is there for the Agency fees and for the power trip, but how do the other 2 fit in when one is a well known Chelsea fan and the other thought we were serving food?
They clearly don't give a damn about anything at QPR or the fans (witness this thread as an example) - in fact they treat us like second class rabble, and a stupid rabble at that. They seem more than happy to watch this club die, so ask yourself again - why the interest in us in the first place?
Maybe there are other reasons but right now I see a prime bit of land in West London that may be worth a fortune and might even become more valuable once the BBC leave that part of the world.
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Post by bp on Jul 2, 2011 9:23:25 GMT
Guys, of course I will try to answer any questions candidly. However, I'm not a gossip-merchant and will always try to be honest without exacerbating situations. I'm not itk, I'm not an empty vessel making lots of noise.... I'm just an honest QPR supporter of 40+ years trying to do the best for the likes of my family, friends and me and I have worked damned hard at the job. For my part, I responded to an appeal for new members by the OSC committee about 2.5 years ago. I was appointed after written application - along with several others. I wasn't appointed to any particular role, it just became apparent that I was talented enough to be the Secretary because of my profession....I'm a P.A. at an internationally-reknowned bank (for my sins!). With the exception of very few of the regular meetings where minutes were not required, I have minuted the meetings on a regular basis. I've composed and sent several condolence letters at the passing of our loyal supporters such as Harold Winton, Neil Roberts, etc, in the name of the OSC and supporters. As you saw, we had an AGM in February of this year... albeit poorly supported but we stuck to the rules of the constitution and it's all minuted. Nobody put themselves forward for consideration to join the committee. Not entirely sure how seriously anyone took us - supporters or club - but we were serious in what we were trying to do! We've done several fundraisers, most of which were damned hard work, and we've raised money for the Trust, for NADs and, of course, Grace Murphy. Our hearts were truly in the right place and we relayed all of the concerns we heard from whomever raised them. I truly hope that this may be a bit of a turning point for all QPR supporters, home and away, UK and abroad. It's time for respect to be paid but how long we have to wait I don't know. I'm just another member of the queue! lol Well said Lin.
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Post by isleworthranger on Jul 2, 2011 9:52:22 GMT
Mac - I have asked this question a few times before but how are the property prices in London these days? Have they recovered yet, are they still in the doldrums or is it in between showing signs of recovery (I would guess the 3rd option)? Because I think that that is the key to them playing for time. Maybe it is far fetched although I am no conspiracy theorist. Let's face it Paladini is there for the Agency fees and for the power trip, but how do the other 2 fit in when one is a well known Chelsea fan and the other thought we were serving food? They clearly don't give a damn about anything at QPR or the fans (witness this thread as an example) - in fact they treat us like second class rabble, and a stupid rabble at that. They seem more than happy to watch this club die, so ask yourself again - why the interest in us in the first place? Maybe there are other reasons but right now I see a prime bit of land in West London that may be worth a fortune and might even become more valuable once the BBC leave that part of the world. As far as I am aware there has never been a legal challenge to get rid of the long existing covenant on the land which is for sports purposes only despite the scare stories trotted out year after year Even if we were to move to a new stadium which all fans were happy with and agreed was the right choice then the land if bought could still not be developed for housing
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Post by terryb on Jul 4, 2011 17:04:00 GMT
I have returned home from work today & found replies awaiting me from the OSC & Joe Kyle.
Joe Kyle has asked for phone numbers so that he can speak to me (numbers sent to him tonight) & I have copied below the reply from the OSC.
Hello Terry Some valid points there Terry. Hopefully when or if an EGM date is agreed. All or maybe some of your questions will be answered. No date has been confirmed with the club due to holidays and clash of meetings within the club to get everyone together. As you maybe or not aware most of the OSC committee have stepped down from their positions until an EGM is called. Kind regards Brian - Treasurer
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jul 4, 2011 17:10:35 GMT
I have returned home from work today & found replies awaiting me from the OSC & Joe Kyle. Joe Kyle has asked for phone numbers so that he can speak to me (numbers sent to him tonight) & I have copied below the reply from the OSC. Hello Terry Some valid points there Terry. Hopefully when or if an EGM date is agreed. All or maybe some of your questions will be answered. No date has been confirmed with the club due to holidays and clash of meetings within the club to get everyone together. As you maybe or not aware most of the OSC committee have stepped down from their positions until an EGM is called. Kind regards Brian - Treasurer Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence......
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Post by isleworthranger on Jul 4, 2011 17:33:18 GMT
I have returned home from work today & found replies awaiting me from the OSC & Joe Kyle. Joe Kyle has asked for phone numbers so that he can speak to me (numbers sent to him tonight) & I have copied below the reply from the OSC. Hello Terry Some valid points there Terry. Hopefully when or if an EGM date is agreed. All or maybe some of your questions will be answered. No date has been confirmed with the club due to holidays and clash of meetings within the club to get everyone together. As you maybe or not aware most of the OSC committee have stepped down from their positions until an EGM is called. Kind regards Brian - Treasurer Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence...... We will have to wait and see I guess but an interesting point made in the response is that "most of the OSC committee have stepped down from their positions until an EGM is called." This sounds as though some may wish to return perhaps with a different stance towards matters? Brian Aherne is a great fella and a fanatical QPR fan who also by coincidence works with Mrs Isleworth in the City so I will see if she can drag some extra info out of him ;D
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Post by terryb on Jul 5, 2011 17:02:06 GMT
I received the promised phone call from Joe Kyle & I would like to thank him even though it would be true to say that we did not agree!
Basically the answer to most questions was "that is how the board have decided to operate this season", & he even insisted that the board had not discussed pricing until after the Leeds game. To this I hinted that no matter what my views on the board are I did not believe that they lacked the intelligence to have at least held some discussions.
Joe also said that members of the management regulary visit all parts of the ground & they were well aware of the facility limitations. However, the prices remained competitive! To be fair to Joe, I could virtually hear him wince when I asked if he knew how much it hurt to be faced with a near 70.8%(actually 70.51%) markup on my ST per match.
After stating that they are NOT allowed to release anything officially until given clearance from the very top, hence the delay in publishing the minutes, we came to the point that I found most interesting.
On asking him when the club would announce the resignations of the OSC committee he said this was only heresay. I then read out to him part of my E Mail from Brian Ahearne informing me that most of them had stood down until the EGM & he seemed totally surprised. Whether this surprise was due to him not knowing or that the OSC had informed me of such I don't know.
We ended on Joe telling me that the club have never stated that the OSC are the only group they will communicate with & that they are presently talking to two major groups. I couldn't press him on this as I was about to be locked in the office & so had to end the call!
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Post by Bushman on Jul 5, 2011 17:43:12 GMT
Well done Terry for keeping up the chase. To be fair to Joe Kyle he is so far down the food chain at Rangers he has as much idea as to what is going on as you or I do. Anything he said to to you would have had to have gone through Ian Taylor and his press office first.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 5, 2011 18:15:40 GMT
I presume Terry that you have no problem with this being circulated further?
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 5, 2011 20:19:26 GMT
Well done Terry for keeping up the chase. To be fair to Joe Kyle he is so far down the food chain at Rangers he has as much idea as to what is going on as you or I do. Anything he said to to you would have had to have gone through Ian Taylor and his press office first. Yup. Good work Terry.
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Post by cpr on Jul 5, 2011 20:38:44 GMT
Management regularly visit most parts of the ground and are aware of its limitations.
Loadabollox, I know that coz Bernie said he could see no issue in any part of the ground.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jul 5, 2011 20:43:33 GMT
why would they REGULARLY visit most parts of the ground if they already know it's limitations.
gissajob, i could do that.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 5, 2011 21:29:03 GMT
They might not even know that there are four sides of the ground!
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jul 5, 2011 21:48:05 GMT
Management regularly visit most parts of the ground and are aware of its limitations. Loadabollox, I know that coz Bernie said he could see no issue in any part of the ground. Well he isn't exactly going to have a problem with leg room is he?
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