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Post by Marc on Apr 9, 2024 18:04:22 GMT
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 9, 2024 20:25:04 GMT
What a horrible goal, but we’ll take it!
0-1 field
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Post by Marc on Apr 9, 2024 20:36:15 GMT
The other one was even worse!
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Post by qpr1882 on Apr 9, 2024 20:40:33 GMT
Marti please try and sign their keeper in the summer. If we stay up
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 20:41:46 GMT
Soft goal to give away and some tough games to come.
We are not out of this relegation fight yet and we should have been with the last two fixtures.
That’s the Championship for you!
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Post by nomar on Apr 9, 2024 20:43:08 GMT
Marti please try and sign their keeper in the summer. If we stay up Just getting shot of Begovic will be an improvement. Waste of money on his wages. He’s made some good saves but we could have got a decent keeper for a lot less wages and used that on other positions.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 9, 2024 20:50:15 GMT
I thought we were looking comfortable - and then Asmir goes and does that....
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Post by harr on Apr 9, 2024 21:01:31 GMT
Before those 4 relegation matches I would have taken 7 points but really that feels like 2 points thrown away tonight. With four of the best teams left to play a four point cushion is not enough. With our better goal difference though, one win for us means they have to win 3 out of 4 to overtake us or win two draw two. If we can keep Birmingham in the mix also as they have to play Huddersfield and they both can’t get three points so we really need a birmingham loss or draw tomorrow. Millwall beating Leicester made my night even worse.
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Post by spanishal on Apr 9, 2024 21:09:07 GMT
Aside from the Bergovic error, he did make some good saves though, we should have been well out of site before that. Don’t know how Marti is going to resolve this shocking finishing from our forwards.
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Post by surreychad on Apr 10, 2024 6:44:06 GMT
Aside from the Bergovic error, he did make some good saves though, we should have been well out of site before that. Don’t know how Marti is going to resolve this shocking finishing from our forwards. what forwards
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 10, 2024 6:46:13 GMT
Aside from the Bergovic error, he did make some good saves though, we should have been well out of site before that. Don’t know how Marti is going to resolve this shocking finishing from our forwards. He was also nearly caught out by a free kick. The opposition know that he is dodgy and try cheeky shots like that as his positioning is suspect and he struggles to his left. The goal we conceded was more or less the same one we conceded against Millwall at Christmas. He gets his positioning wrong and flaps. It was a dreadful goal for a keeper of that experience (again). Our final third play is poor, no question. Dykes worked hard, but I think he plays more as a number 10 than a striker. He held the ball up in a way that Armstrong cannot, but I don't think he had a shot, and we do not get many goals from midfield. Our leading scorer is on FIVE! When was the last time a striker scored a goal for us? If you add in Frey's penalty miss earlier in the season and it really is a tale of woe. But, if you are not scoring goals, a keeper who has always got a mistake in him can be a liability. Not sure why Adomah was preferred substitute last night, but he could do little about the own goal, it was an awful goal keeping error again. We have had several opportunities to save ourselves and not taken them. If we get relegated, it will about the missed chances in front of goal and the numerous keeping errors by our captain and ever present.
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Post by harr on Apr 10, 2024 7:21:04 GMT
Reflecting I can’t help feel we should be on 49 pts this morning which would have been 6 points in front of Sheff Weds and Hudds and with a better goal difference That would have meant if we lost all four games they needed two wins and a draw to get us relegated, that would have been such a good position to be in as if we got one win that would have been us safe. Dropping those two points was criminal, I just hope it doesn’t haunt us and after the Preston game we see us in the bottom three with Leeds and Cov to play.
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Post by robindubois on Apr 10, 2024 7:31:22 GMT
Questions: 1. Why did JCS not play? Injured, Not in the right frame of mind with transfer talk, sitting out the season waiting for his "big" move - surely not dropped.
2. What the **** was Albert doing on the pitch as sub last night. With 15 minutes or so to see out a game we had JCS, Hodge, Cannon, Larkeche on the bench if we wanted to strengthen the defence and we had Armstrong if we wanted to push then back and push for another goal land - finally gave him a chance after 93 minutes. Maybe we wanted Alberts experience, maybe he is seen as a goal scorer, maybe seen as someone to hold the ball in the corner but beyond mel.
Whatever a frustrating night when the win would realistically have put us safe but still confident we will pick up a few more points and others below will drop more.
Millwall winning was worse than us drawing - they should be docked 10 points just for being Millwall.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 10, 2024 7:45:06 GMT
Questions: 1. Why did JCS not play? Injured, Not in the right frame of mind with transfer talk, sitting out the season waiting for his "big" move - surely not dropped. had similar thoughts. But he was substituted in the Sheffield game, so perhaps he had a knock. Fox doing ok as cover, but he did play them on for the second Sheffield goal. I guess out of contract players and those plotting moves may be a calculated selection now.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Apr 10, 2024 9:04:28 GMT
Frustrating night we should have scored 2 or 3. We have striker issues clearly but our wide players need to do more. Smyth had two very presentable chances and should have scored from both. Chair needs to be clinical when there is the chance to shoot. We are unfortunately a team that lacks a real goal threat and a keeper with at least one major mistake in him per game, meaning this will likely go to the last game. 10 games ago we would have snapped your hand off to have 47 points with 4 to play and 5 teams below us above the relegation line I see it that we must take each game as they come and we can survive by simply equalling or bettering the results of at least 2 teams below us. Big picture, we did that last night.
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 10, 2024 16:31:00 GMT
I think this is getting too harsh on Begovic. He has gained many points with his saves in previous games. Sadly this goal was from his error. He is an improvement on Dieng where the entire defence looked bereft of confidence game after game last season. I think Begs and cook have brought the stability and not only in matches but in the dressing room and training ground too. Only my conjecture but I don’t think I’m over reaching in saying that. God forbid Cookie makes a couple of mistakes and his contribution in many games gets forgotten as a result.
Far, far worse is our profligacy in front of goal. Chair is getting away with little criticism considering his one trick pony approach. I love Paul Smyth’s industry but doesn’t he deserve pelters for missing utterly easy goals?
We’ve done amazingly well to get where we are and I’m not for smashing anyone now we’re stumbling over the line.
Except for Albert. He was Sh1t lol
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Post by spanishal on Apr 10, 2024 17:35:47 GMT
Why was there a break in the first half, some have said it was to do with Ramadan ending- really? Did any other matches do the same thing or was it for another reason?. All very odd
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Post by harr on Apr 10, 2024 17:58:59 GMT
Don’t blame Begovic, blame the useless forwards that can’t hit a barn door. So many games defenders have get us out the sh1t Dykes and Sinclair not good enough at Championship Level both be better suited to League one. When was the last time this club had a prolific scorer, Charlie Austin I guess. Prior to that Adel.
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Post by nomar on Apr 10, 2024 21:04:00 GMT
Don’t blame Begovic, blame the useless forwards that can’t hit a barn door. So many games defenders have get us out the sh1t Dykes and Sinclair not good enough at Championship Level both be better suited to League one. When was the last time this club had a prolific scorer, Charlie Austin I guess. Prior to that Adel. If, as has been reported, Begovic is on £32.5K a week, then you have every right to hold him up to scrutiny and expect better. Results tonight, though, have certainly worked in our favour, so the table and run in is looking a bit better tonight than it did last night. I do think we’ll stay up, but if we’d have won last night you could pretty much sleep easy knowing that only a ridiculously freak set of results would be able to send us down.
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Post by harr on Apr 10, 2024 21:07:03 GMT
Yeah I’m sure if we win that last night, we would be looking at 1 pt from 12 for safety, think we need one more win now. Not sure where it’s going to come from.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 11, 2024 7:09:04 GMT
I think this is getting too harsh on Begovic. He has gained many points with his saves in previous games. Sadly this goal was from his error. He is an improvement on Dieng where the entire defence looked bereft of confidence game after game last season. I think Begs and cook have brought the stability and not only in matches but in the dressing room and training ground too. Only my conjecture but I don’t think I’m over reaching in saying that. God forbid Cookie makes a couple of mistakes and his contribution in many games gets forgotten as a result. Far, far worse is our profligacy in front of goal. Chair is getting away with little criticism considering his one trick pony approach. I love Paul Smyth’s industry but doesn’t he deserve pelters for missing utterly easy goals? We’ve done amazingly well to get where we are and I’m not for smashing anyone now we’re stumbling over the line. Except for Albert. He was Sh1t lol You may think I am harsh on Begovic, but I just attend home games, my opinion is based on what I have witnessed over the last 9 months. I feel truly sorry for the travelling fans who gave up holiday and paid a small fortune to watch him make not just one serious error but several. Clive's LFW write up backs up a similar view with statistics. It is all about opinions, and there is a boring message board if we all agree, but suggest you at least read the following: www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/62301/faint-hope-same-failings-familiar-faces-%E2%80%93-report
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 11, 2024 9:39:07 GMT
I read it but feel no more informed than when I had simply watched the game.
Clive’s write ups would be half as long and twice as insightful if he toned down the attempts to be funny. It’s like every other line is some feeble quip. Less is more IMO. It took ages before I got to the bit where he eviscerates Begovic. At least in the rest he covers where the far more important problem lies with our hopeless finishing.
He admits he is Begovic’s biggest critic and he is emotional after the game but there is criticism here he never would have said earlier in the season. Saying he had an anal haemorrhage FFS. I mean what does that inform me other than Clive is just….Clive. If you have pointed me here to make the scales fall from my eyes regarding Begovic’s inadequacy I think something else from Clive’s cannon might have had a better effect.
For me, Begovic came in and settled the GK position which had been desperate with Dieng (who in true QPR style has gone on to be a better player elsewhere). The defence in front of him was woeful in the first months but I’m adamant that there was quite some time when he was being praised for his saves, organisation and cool leadership. He supports his managers and speaks well in media without getting drawn into any arguments. He is consummate professional. He gained us points in many games, points which put us where we are.
I don’t believe the reports about his salary and he will most likely retire in a few weeks but has played as much a part of the revival of this once awful team as anyone yet is taking the majority of the abuse being unfairly fuelled by articles such as Clive’s.
There is no argument. If there is a responsibility to repay the fans for their holiday time or beer money or whatever then spread it out to cover Chair, Armstrong, Dykes, Smyth and Albert as well.
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Post by robindubois on Apr 11, 2024 10:14:13 GMT
This thread is starting to make me sick with the persecution of Begovic.
He is a keeper and as we all should know when a keeper makes a mistake it shows and often leads to conceding a goal - they are on a hiding to nothing. Outfield players can make dozens of mistakes in a game and apart from a few saying they had a bad game they get away with it. Clive may be literate and long winded to the point I do not read his novels but that does make him the gospel or right. He has his prejudices as does everyone.
Let's face facts - we had little or no choice or alternatives when we signed Begovic and despite the mistakes he has also saved us on quite a few occasion and received no credit. Only a couple of games ago posts on here said he had just played his best game so far. I expect any other keeper we signed under the circumstances would have been worse, not better, and equally made mistakes. Even Dieng in the second half of last season made just as many mistakes as Begovic so lets back off and support the players for the crucial last 4 games rather than running them into the dirt. There is no transfer window so we have what we have and destroying players confidence, especially Keepers helps no one. I expect Begovic is experienced enough. to not let it unduly get to him but who knows.
Other points crossing into the scrap for survival thread are that: 1. We are still in a far better position than many expected after the disaster start to the season, our fate is still in our own hands.
2. With Rotherham down it will take 2 out of Huddersfield Wednesday and Brum to get 5 more points than us from the last 4 games and the others below us to catch us as well, to get us into a relegation place. Even then Brum would have to turn over an 8 goal goal difference to catch us. Of course we would be safe now if we had won the last 2 games.
3. The reason we did not beat Plymouth and many other games this season is not because of Begovic but because we have a set of "strikers" who cannot hit a barn door from 2 yards - we have seen misses if front of open goals from that range - blame Begovic for that. Smyth had 2 golden opportunities at Plymouth that any half decent Championship striker would have buried or at least got one of the 2 and we should have been out of sight.
4. When was the last time we had a striker or forward player score - we rely on Field and the centre backs to score at set pieces.
5. By far the biggest blame for our situation is a man called Ainsworth backed by Amit and I will never change opinions or forgive them for that.
6. We have a good manager in Marti who is still learning the Championship, and doing what he can with the players available. My only criticism of him is why on earth he has used Uncle Albert in the last couple of games when we have left better and quicker players on the bench. Marti has made a couple of mistakes over the season in preparation for games but so has every manager - all part of the game.
So onwards to Hull and from there on we will see where we are at the end of season. I wonder what people will say if Begovic saves a last minute penalty at Hull to win the match - pure luck of course or a badly taken penalty
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Post by surreychad on Apr 11, 2024 11:03:37 GMT
Great write up. Cant really argue with any of his comments
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 11, 2024 17:41:32 GMT
This thread is starting to make me sick with the persecution of Begovic. He is a keeper and as we all should know when a keeper makes a mistake it shows and often leads to conceding a goal - they are on a hiding to nothing. Outfield players can make dozens of mistakes in a game and apart from a few saying they had a bad game they get away with it. Clive may be literate and long winded to the point I do not read his novels but that does make him the gospel or right. He has his prejudices as does everyone. Let's face facts - we had little or no choice or alternatives when we signed Begovic and despite the mistakes he has also saved us on quite a few occasion and received no credit. Only a couple of games ago posts on here said he had just played his best game so far. I expect any other keeper we signed under the circumstances would have been worse, not better, and equally made mistakes. Even Dieng in the second half of last season made just as many mistakes as Begovic so lets back off and support the players for the crucial last 4 games rather than running them into the dirt. There is no transfer window so we have what we have and destroying players confidence, especially Keepers helps no one. I expect Begovic is experienced enough. to not let it unduly get to him but who knows. Other points crossing into the scrap for survival thread are that: 1. We are still in a far better position than many expected after the disaster start to the season, our fate is still in our own hands. 2. With Rotherham down it will take 2 out of Huddersfield Wednesday and Brum to get 5 more points than us from the last 4 games and the others below us to catch us as well, to get us into a relegation place. Even then Brum would have to turn over an 8 goal goal difference to catch us. Of course we would be safe now if we had won the last 2 games. 3. The reason we did not beat Plymouth and many other games this season is not because of Begovic but because we have a set of "strikers" who cannot hit a barn door from 2 yards - we have seen misses if front of open goals from that range - blame Begovic for that. Smyth had 2 golden opportunities at Plymouth that any half decent Championship striker would have buried or at least got one of the 2 and we should have been out of sight. 4. When was the last time we had a striker or forward player score - we rely on Field and the centre backs to score at set pieces. 5. By far the biggest blame for our situation is a man called Ainsworth backed by Amit and I will never change opinions or forgive them for that. 6. We have a good manager in Marti who is still learning the Championship, and doing what he can with the players available. My only criticism of him is why on earth he has used Uncle Albert in the last couple of games when we have left better and quicker players on the bench. Marti has made a couple of mistakes over the season in preparation for games but so has every manager - all part of the game. So onwards to Hull and from there on we will see where we are at the end of season. I wonder what people will say if Begovic saves a last minute penalty at Hull to win the match - pure luck of course or a badly taken penalty Hear hear
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Post by hitmanrangers on Apr 11, 2024 19:39:57 GMT
This thread is starting to make me sick with the persecution of Begovic. He is a keeper and as we all should know when a keeper makes a mistake it shows and often leads to conceding a goal - they are on a hiding to nothing. Outfield players can make dozens of mistakes in a game and apart from a few saying they had a bad game they get away with it. Clive may be literate and long winded to the point I do not read his novels but that does make him the gospel or right. He has his prejudices as does everyone. Let's face facts - we had little or no choice or alternatives when we signed Begovic and despite the mistakes he has also saved us on quite a few occasion and received no credit. Only a couple of games ago posts on here said he had just played his best game so far. I expect any other keeper we signed under the circumstances would have been worse, not better, and equally made mistakes. Even Dieng in the second half of last season made just as many mistakes as Begovic so lets back off and support the players for the crucial last 4 games rather than running them into the dirt. There is no transfer window so we have what we have and destroying players confidence, especially Keepers helps no one. I expect Begovic is experienced enough. to not let it unduly get to him but who knows. Other points crossing into the scrap for survival thread are that: 1. We are still in a far better position than many expected after the disaster start to the season, our fate is still in our own hands. 2. With Rotherham down it will take 2 out of Huddersfield Wednesday and Brum to get 5 more points than us from the last 4 games and the others below us to catch us as well, to get us into a relegation place. Even then Brum would have to turn over an 8 goal goal difference to catch us. Of course we would be safe now if we had won the last 2 games. 3. The reason we did not beat Plymouth and many other games this season is not because of Begovic but because we have a set of "strikers" who cannot hit a barn door from 2 yards - we have seen misses if front of open goals from that range - blame Begovic for that. Smyth had 2 golden opportunities at Plymouth that any half decent Championship striker would have buried or at least got one of the 2 and we should have been out of sight. 4. When was the last time we had a striker or forward player score - we rely on Field and the centre backs to score at set pieces. 5. By far the biggest blame for our situation is a man called Ainsworth backed by Amit and I will never change opinions or forgive them for that. 6. We have a good manager in Marti who is still learning the Championship, and doing what he can with the players available. My only criticism of him is why on earth he has used Uncle Albert in the last couple of games when we have left better and quicker players on the bench. Marti has made a couple of mistakes over the season in preparation for games but so has every manager - all part of the game. So onwards to Hull and from there on we will see where we are at the end of season. I wonder what people will say if Begovic saves a last minute penalty at Hull to win the match - pure luck of course or a badly taken penalty Hear hear I think the issue with Begovic maybe down to expectations. He has made some clangers and whilst saved us some points too, I think more was expected from most of our fanbase, me included, given his experience to date. However maybe that expectation was too high. Whilst he has spent most of his playing career in the Premier League, that was with Stoke who played direct football. It is clear that he is uncomfortable playing out from the back, which is Marti’s style, given he was used to Pulis hoof-ball. He is at that age where his feet are not as quick, very similar to Rob Green’s time here, albeit his kicking is slightly better. His major flaw for us has been his ability when coming for crosses - that is a clear pattern with the mistakes made - again due to his slow feet which is not unreasonable given his age. I am sure if we had a more experienced backup, that Marti would have made a change during one of his winless runs. However we don’t therefore need to get behind him for the run-in. He could well play a major part since getting clean sheets in our last games should be the main target as it will get us the points we need to stay up. However he will not be here next season, whatever the division.
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