Think we're going back to "Division 3" - Table

[Macmoish]

We're blowing it. And I'd be surprised if we did much in Jan window - maybe even sold

[rickyqpr]

We lost to a very poor side yesterday. The reality really hits hard.
We conceded two very poor goals.
We cannot defend set pieces.
We pass backwards and sideways rather than forward.
Several players are injured including our seniors and our talisman.
Some of our mature players are on extended contracts - otherwise they would not have signed.
Other teams at the bottom are now picking up points, by the time we kick off against Watford, we may be level on points with Rotherham at the foot of the table.
FFP means that our wealthy owners cannot invest how they would like to.
Any incoming loans are likely to be late in the window and our fixtures in February are very tough.
It looks very bleak.
But we will remain QPR supporters no matter what division, I started in the Third Division South!
We have home games in January.
The transfer window is open now.
We have a decent head coach.
We have an ok development team, with one or two prospects as Kolli showed yesterday.
The bulk of this squad are out of contract in the Summer.
I think that we will be relegated, and we will look back on this season and say that this squad was good enough to stay up, but the players let us down, and their heads dropped far too easily.

[harr]

(but the players let us down, and their heads dropped far too easily)
Seen this somewhere before, oh yeah the previous season.
Most of them are a disgrace and not worthy to wear the HOOPED SHIRT.
Other players over the years have had less skill and technical ability than this bunch, the only difference was they had some will and fight about the, unlike this bunch.
Start a fresh in League One with Marti, get rid of most of this group, get rid of these other coaches that hang round us like a bad smell and start a fresh at every level.
Maybe we can start with fresh owners too as they have failed on nearly every level.

[rickyqpr]

Jan 2, 2024 9:35:47 GMT harr said:

Start a fresh in League One with Marti, get rid of most of this group, get rid of these other coaches that hang round us like a bad smell and start a fresh at every level.
Maybe we can start with fresh owners too as they have failed on nearly every level.

I think you have to be very careful in what you wish for in terms of new owners.
We are a very poor investment proposition - especially with the on-going FFP fine payments every year.
To that end, if new owners were to come in, I would be cautious as to what their motives really were.
There are far better placed clubs out there, but what we have is a prime expensive location, in an area where there are many other local clubs (performing better). 
Our owners (especially Fernandes) have been collectively incompetent without question. Our current majority owner though is hands-off. But he has financed the training ground, perhaps our greatest hope for the longer term. He has never once defaulted on monthly top-ups.
But many of the poorer recent decisions have been made by delegated powers. Our last chairman, who stepped down after pushing through the Ainsworth appointment, and for that matter, also our current Chairman.
I think the biggest beef we can place at Ruben's door is that he has now given all power to Lee Hoos. Chairman, CEO and Director of Football - he also seems to be the money man, we never hear from the Director of Finance. Hoos and Ferdinand turned the club around after Fernandes had made a total mess of it. Then they lost their way, and here we are back on the brink of FFP and relegation disaster. Ferdinand, Fernandes and Bhatia have all fallen on their swords. Hoos has been given all the keys to the vaults.
My view is that we need Ruben to keep signing the cheques for as long as possible. A new owner would set us back not forward and could lead to our ultimate demise (e.g. another merger with another club and an asset strip). But I am less convinced that we have any management structure at the club, or for that matter that Hoos warrants responsibility for all the roles he currently holds. Apart from a discussion about his overall performance to date, if he was to walk, as was rumoured earlier this year (back to USA) then we would have no management team at all.
It never ceases to amaze me that wealthy people (owners) do not act to protect their wealth with obvious steps.
Provided the owners provide all the funds that they are able to, and stay out of football and management decision, then it is all about the people they hire to run the club and how they do that. 
The search for a new stadium has been a total failure. If they cannot provide the funds needed, or the criteria is unworkable, why spend 10 years pretending that we are looking for a new ground. In 2023, we were finally told that we needed to refurbish Loftus Road and that a new ground was off the agenda. I doubt any new owner would fund a new London location, but instead would proffer a ground share with Fulham, Brentford or Wimbledon. Where haver I heard that before?

[harr]

Some valid points but no longer share your optimism with the owners.

There lies the problem.
We will drop to League One.
We will continue with Hoos and these other hanger oner coaches that apparently set the world alight, funny nobody ever comes in for them.
Then we will wonder why we are not changing the cycle even in League one.

If you don’t get rid of the problems you never will.
Hoos needs to go simples but he won’t because the owners will still stick with him even if we were 5 Leagues lower.

[rangersman]

This is Deja Vu, its like it happens every year since TF took over the club. The players are mostly useless, no effort, no worth either IMO. We are now hearing the same old excuses we hear every year, i am convinced the owners and LH are incompetent and hanging on for the cash. I would welcome new owners as long as they held this club in their hearts and had some passion.