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Marti
Dec 26, 2023 20:11:46 GMT
Post by londonranger on Dec 26, 2023 20:11:46 GMT
QPR boss Marti Cifuentes:
"It's a poor performance - perhaps the worst since I've been here. We didn't start the game well. Millwall pressed really, really high - very aggressive - and we didn't find a way to beat that pressure.
"We lacked the capacity to understand that the space today was behind their back line. We had to activate the runs from behind.
"We tried to adjust this in the first half. From minute 30 we started to understand this a little bit better, but then in a minute we should never concede a goal, we concede a goal."
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Post by spanishal on Dec 27, 2023 9:04:14 GMT
“Polish turds” comes to mind
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Marti
Dec 27, 2023 10:04:58 GMT
Post by rickyqpr on Dec 27, 2023 10:04:58 GMT
Yesterday was pretty bad. The players put in a very poor shift. The manager got the selection, tactics and substitutions wrong. At no point did it look as if we would get back into a very important game. I think that the manager is struggling with the Christmas schedule, trying to rotate an inadequate squad. Some players carrying knocks, or just fatigued. The bigger teams have a huge advantage at this time of year. But Rotherham, Huddersfield, Millwall and Stoke all won, leaving us deep in the mire, with another 2 games in the next 5 days. Gloomy init?
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Post by surreychad on Dec 27, 2023 10:51:38 GMT
I see a few fans have started to turn, I dont think there is a manager out there that can do any better.
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Marti
Dec 27, 2023 12:54:57 GMT
Post by harr on Dec 27, 2023 12:54:57 GMT
Stick with Marti in League one if that’s how it pans out but let’s not give up with him yet. He is still a country mile better than Ainsworth. The two points we dropped against Plymouth and the next two we threw away at Hillsborough really hurt us. 4 points wasted, momentum lost and frustration of losing a game when 1-0 up with 4 mins to go.
It’s all about confidence in this league and the Sheff W result shifted things. We have to turn that round with a Cardiff win and then maybe have a better January
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Marti
Dec 27, 2023 17:18:55 GMT
Post by rickyqpr on Dec 27, 2023 17:18:55 GMT
I certainly was not suggesting that we should dump Marti. He is better than we can currently hope for. But he is probably on a learning curve with the squad and the UK Christmas football schedule. He must now know though the inadequacies he has inherited. Kakay, Dunne, Dozzell, Dykes rarely deliver for him. The squad has no depth. We need a midfield general and at least one striker. The irony being that Johansen was better suited to our current style of play. Through Ainsworth we not only binned him off, but paid his to go. He looked pretty leggy at the end of his tenure and it would appear he just retired on the cash we paid him, but perhaps would have been a better option than Dozzell.
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Post by nomar on Dec 27, 2023 17:34:52 GMT
Definitely stick with Marti till a bigger club comes in for him, which they should.
But we truly have some of the dumbest and laziest players on this planet. Robbing a living, most of them, and certainly mugging off the club and fans.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 27, 2023 19:22:20 GMT
I see a few fans have started to turn, I dont think there is a manager out there that can do any better. Even Jesus would struggle to save this lot. So Marti should feel ok.
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Post by harr on Dec 27, 2023 19:28:29 GMT
x.com/rosslee_/status/1740064348029268400?s=61&t=Mz6yAAzYY7mUo4fl_WBLowIts been shocking for years now so no real surprise where we are. WORST amount of football defeats in the Football League now not just 5 years but also 10 years. 104 losses 5 years 202 losses 10 years Added to that we also have the 4 th worst highest record goals conceded over the last 5 years, 335 goals, shocking. The Club has been a mess for a ages, deserve League One really. Owners that started the season off with Ainsworth and then stick with him for a further 14 of the games shows how much out there depth they are.
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Marti
Dec 29, 2023 22:09:56 GMT
Post by nomar on Dec 29, 2023 22:09:56 GMT
x.com/rosslee_/status/1740064348029268400?s=61&t=Mz6yAAzYY7mUo4fl_WBLowIts been shocking for years now so no real surprise where we are. WORST amount of football defeats in the Football League now not just 5 years but also 10 years. 104 losses 5 years 202 losses 10 years Added to that we also have the 4 th worst highest record goals conceded over the last 5 years, 335 goals, shocking. The Club has been a mess for a ages, deserve League One really. Owners that started the season off with Ainsworth and then stick with him for a further 14 of the games shows how much out there depth they are. That stat makes me wonder how on earth we aren’t in the 4th tier with those kind of results?
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Marti
Dec 29, 2023 22:26:33 GMT
Post by harr on Dec 29, 2023 22:26:33 GMT
x.com/rosslee_/status/1740064348029268400?s=61&t=Mz6yAAzYY7mUo4fl_WBLowIts been shocking for years now so no real surprise where we are. WORST amount of football defeats in the Football League now not just 5 years but also 10 years. 104 losses 5 years 202 losses 10 years Added to that we also have the 4 th worst highest record goals conceded over the last 5 years, 335 goals, shocking. The Club has been a mess for a ages, deserve League One really. Owners that started the season off with Ainsworth and then stick with him for a further 14 of the games shows how much out there depth they are. That stat makes me wonder how on earth we aren’t in the 4th tier with those kind of results? They are shocking figures for sure. Yet we find ourselves hanging by a thread in the Championship still. With Marti as our Manager we at least show fight now. Most games we have lost under him have been by the odd goal, Millwall was a bad day. However, Dykes is utterly crap always has been and forever will be at this level and never a Championship striker, every game we play him we throw away more points, that added with Sinclairs naivety we are a disaster for goal scoring. Our only hope is we get someone in. I reckon if we had signed someone like Chris Martin even over the summer we would not be in the bottom three.
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Marti
Dec 30, 2023 6:44:03 GMT
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Post by powerpump on Dec 30, 2023 6:44:03 GMT
" I agree: The owners or some of them may have more money than sense but when it comes to running a football club = clueless. Anyway: I am trying to get myself in a frame of mind that I accept Division 1 which is really the 3rd tier. I have vague and pleasant recollections of 1966-67 etc and at that time known as Division 3 when I first started following QPR....
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Marti
Dec 30, 2023 10:02:50 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 30, 2023 10:02:50 GMT
x.com/rosslee_/status/1740064348029268400?s=61&t=Mz6yAAzYY7mUo4fl_WBLowIts been shocking for years now so no real surprise where we are. WORST amount of football defeats in the Football League now not just 5 years but also 10 years. 104 losses 5 years 202 losses 10 years Added to that we also have the 4 th worst highest record goals conceded over the last 5 years, 335 goals, shocking. The Club has been a mess for a ages, deserve League One really. Owners that started the season off with Ainsworth and then stick with him for a further 14 of the games shows how much out there depth they are. I wonder if Wycombe will make a change. They are on a dreadful run. If they do, i wonder if they will opt for Ainsworth, or perhaps Dobson. Dobson was offered the job when we pinched Ainsworth.
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Marti
Dec 30, 2023 12:22:42 GMT
Post by harr on Dec 30, 2023 12:22:42 GMT
x.com/rosslee_/status/1740064348029268400?s=61&t=Mz6yAAzYY7mUo4fl_WBLowIts been shocking for years now so no real surprise where we are. WORST amount of football defeats in the Football League now not just 5 years but also 10 years. 104 losses 5 years 202 losses 10 years Added to that we also have the 4 th worst highest record goals conceded over the last 5 years, 335 goals, shocking. The Club has been a mess for a ages, deserve League One really. Owners that started the season off with Ainsworth and then stick with him for a further 14 of the games shows how much out there depth they are. I wonder if Wycombe will make a change. They are on a dreadful run. If they do, i wonder if they will opt for Ainsworth, or perhaps Dobson. Dobson was offered the job when we pinched Ainsworth. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did. Maybe he will do ok there again, he should stay in League One. I don’t dislike Ainsworth as a person wish him well, although fail to see why we would not have walked away before those 14 games added the fact he even wanted to continue beyond 14 was delusional beyond belief. It adds to the question if the Club had not sacked him at game 14 when would he have actually have decided to walk.
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Marti
Dec 30, 2023 13:00:14 GMT
Post by rickyqpr on Dec 30, 2023 13:00:14 GMT
I wonder if Wycombe will make a change. They are on a dreadful run. If they do, i wonder if they will opt for Ainsworth, or perhaps Dobson. Dobson was offered the job when we pinched Ainsworth. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did. Maybe he will do ok there again, he should stay in League One. I don’t dislike Ainsworth as a person wish him well, although fail to see why we would not have walked away before those 14 games added the fact he even wanted to continue beyond 14 was delusional beyond belief. It adds to the question if the Club had not sacked him at game 14 when would he have actually have decided to walk. Managers do not walk though. They wait for the compo package. I guess even they have mortgages to pay. One of the things that surprised me about the Ainsworth tenure, was that although Ainsworth created this strange pop star / cowboy image for himself, Dobson always sounded the part. At times it was like listening to Beale. Wycombe obviously thought highly of him, in many ways they were straddled with Gareth after all his years of overachieving, but they worked very hard to retain Dobson. Gareth said that if Dobson did not join him at QPR then he would turn down the job. Dobson, being a QPR supporter decided to jump, but perhaps he has some unfinished business at Wycombe should there be a vacancy. But for all that sounding the part, he either was complicit in our style and approach, or was not listened to. But given the thread is about Marti, I think the question is 'were the board right to wait for him'. They tried for him several times before and were turned down by his club until their season was all but over. They could have taken a Warnock type much earlier and offered expensive survival bonuses etc. I am not defending the club / owners, but if, as it seems, he is a good manager, then was it worth the wait?
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Post by harr on Dec 30, 2023 18:12:58 GMT
I would 100% stick with Martí even if we go down with 40 points. The only way I can see us going down Is the 8 point return from 14 matches killing us, barely more than 0.5 point a game, how do you turn that around with a third of the season gone, it’s difficult specially with the squad or lack of squad we have. That and the worst forwards in the Division will probably still send us down.
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