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Post by canadaranger on Oct 13, 2023 21:14:46 GMT
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Post by robindubois on Oct 14, 2023 6:43:09 GMT
The most telling point for me was about what he would do differently; Paraphrased answer was that having made a plan he/they should have stuck to the plan and not changed it. raises plenty of questions. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 14, 2023 6:56:35 GMT
Les, it was not because of your colour, You are delusional if you think that. It was your performance that pissed people off. Inept signings, total ignorance of going after several strikers, The academy vanishing faster than a Beef Masala down the toilet. Hiring you ex Spurs buddies looked like junkets for the boys. A total lack of some sort of future vision where the club survived. Dealing with the FFP bulcrap.
So NO Les, it was not because of colour.
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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 14, 2023 8:53:40 GMT
I swallow hard before joining this thread - and do so, only because he is talking about his QPR tenure.
My take:
The stats talk for themselves, people of colour do not get the same opportunities.
I am in very little doubt myself that much of the criticism directed at Ferdinand is to do with his colour.
The fact that he hired mainly coaches of colour fuels that fire, but he clearly was trying to redress the balance and made appointments accordingly - several of his appointments subsequently went on to get their coaching badges. I have seen many comments (not on this MB) telling him to take his coaches with him - unashamedly mentioning their colour.
And that is only what we can see. I can only image what he suffered on social media - and by no means just from QPR supporters.
So only he really knows. Just because many here have no such prejudice, it does not mean it is not there in others.
There are so many players of colour and yet as he says, so few who follow the paths of the Wayne Rooneys in this world, who can get a successful manager sacked, just because of the profile he can bring. Could there be a greater contrast?
Of course, where he loses it for me is when he starts talking about managers like Paul Ince. I never liked Ince as a player, never liked him as a manager, and I think he has been treated fairly when losing his job. It does not mean that he did not suffer prejudice along the way - I just did not like his constant moaning and general persona.
The points Lonegun makes above are all subjective - and probably fair enough.
For me, I think that the club was in a total mess thanks to Fernandes and then the appointments of Ferdinand and Hoos saved us from oblivion. Remember Philip Beard? Much of my current frustration stems from how Lee & Les got us out of trouble and then allowed to get back into the crazy situation we find ourselves in today.
We all agree about having a plan and sticking to it, and much of our decline has been down to owners and chairman making decisions over and above a Director of Football (or CEO).
Flavio turned us into a joke. Palladini put us in court. Fernandes defies definition, and now we have Amit (hero to many) appointing Ainsworth who could not be further away from our stated strategy. Ferdinand's position was untenable then if not before.
I also think the BBC headline is slightly misleading. He is not saying it is all about his colour.
But for me, most of what he says is probably spot on.
Just my view of course!
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Post by robindubois on Oct 14, 2023 9:45:07 GMT
Excellent post Ricky.
I also do not want to get into the colour debate as there are so many factors. No doubting there is much discrimination even if subliminal but most openly from "fans" hiding behind social media so I will stop there.
The important part from a club point of view is that we can hardly be accused of discrimination when you look at the appointments we have made both on and off the field and indeed our ownership.
But as I said in my post above the intriguing point is the comment about not sticking with the strategy. I can only guess but I think we had decided to build slowly with more attractive open football with a balance of youth and experience as we saw under Warburton. Looking at what changed the only major things I can guess at are the "investments" made in Austin Johansen etc , almost a secretive spend to push for a quick promotion. Then the other major killer change of course came with the decision (which I believe was caused by Amit) to appoint GA and go for a non-league pub football style (maybe an exaggeration) That appointment was I believe the last straw for Sir Les and probably above his head or behind his back and I am surprised that Hoos is still here as well.
I agree re Ince - he deserved the sack whether he was white black blue or green and it is when such instances are drawn into the debate as examples of d"discrimination" that the picture becomes murky, almost a case of reverse prejudice.
Still an excellent balanced post Ricky, although it does little to ease my sense of impending doom - not that anything likely to happen can.
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Post by rangersman on Oct 14, 2023 9:59:06 GMT
I agree totally with Lonegunmen, he was not fit for the job but played the race card as is common these days. He see the club as a selling commodity and had no ambition to move the club forward. His so called wisdom as a director was not in evidence during his entire reign at this club. To then come out and run off this age old bilge is a reflection of the times at present. He is indeed priviliged on this stance because had he been White he could not have used the race card. This club has done a lot of work towards combatting racism, more than other clubs i think. And this revelation has put a damper on that work IMO.
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Post by robindubois on Oct 14, 2023 10:23:03 GMT
I agree totally with Lonegunmen, he was not fit for the job but played the race card as is common these days. He see the club as a selling commodity and had no ambition to move the club forward. His so called wisdom as a director was not in evidence during his entire reign at this club. To then come out and run off this age old bilge is a reflection of the times at present. He is indeed priviliged on this stance because had he been White he could not have used the race card. This club has done a lot of work towards combatting racism, more than other clubs i think. And this revelation has put a damper on that work IMO. I cannot see anywhere in this article that he has accused or blamed the club or anyone at it for his performance or departure on the race issue. He talked generally about inequality in the game. We can discuss his abilities for ever but he has not used the race card as you state but has stated that a lot of the criticism he received was racially based and I would bet a look at what he received on social media would fully support that. The criticism he spoke about was from outside the club (some from so called fans) not from within the club so this should not dampen the anti-racism work that the club has done - probably more than any other club. What it does show though is whatever the club may do it has little or no impact on the general public. |
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Post by rangersman on Oct 14, 2023 11:03:30 GMT
He has plainly used the race card i can see that even if you cant. It matters not to me, he was not fit for the job. And once again his stance i think does the club no good at all, each to their own opinion.
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Post by surreychad on Oct 14, 2023 13:17:50 GMT
I lost a lot of respect for him today. Some great posts here, never had an issue with his colour, I did have issues with the decisions he made. Calling himself a trailblazer is a joke, he got the job and wasn't very good at it, thats not a trailblazer.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 15, 2023 6:52:18 GMT
QPR Managers Here An interesting list of former managers.... Ted Vizard was our best!! |
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