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Post by Marc on Jun 19, 2023 16:46:21 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 19, 2023 17:17:59 GMT
I guess cementing Gareth Ainsworth going to be staying as manager
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Post by rangersman on Jun 19, 2023 17:43:48 GMT
Sad news IMO, a very good player. He knows GA does not have a clue, good luck to him wherever he goes.
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Post by harr on Jun 19, 2023 18:00:59 GMT
Shame that
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Post by hitmanrangers on Jun 19, 2023 19:54:01 GMT
Never really performed at the level he showed when he first joined on loan in first lockdown and I guess not suited to GA’s style given lack of mobility
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Post by robindubois on Jun 20, 2023 8:57:08 GMT
Sad to see him go but he does not fit Ainsworths style . A talented player dogged by too many injuries lately and past his best. It would have been good to have him around the squad as the experienced head and good sub but on his salary too expensive a luxury. On the other hand I assume we had to pay him off - maybe not the whole contract if he has something already lined up back home. So we move on and see who Ainsworth has in mind as a midfield general and creator - or more likely he will bypass midfield and play direct from keeper to striker  |
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Post by surreychad on Jun 20, 2023 10:54:29 GMT
We have been crying out for a midfield general for years. We haven't had anyone decent in the position for year, someone who stops play and can charge forward with he ball
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Post by nomar on Jun 21, 2023 7:09:10 GMT
Another signing based on a good loan spell, causing the fans on social media to demand the club 'show ambition' and sign him.
Then realise the next season that there was a reason why Fulham were letting him go and now being stuck with another expensive contract for a player with no sell on value and rapidly declining skills.
The anti GA brigade are ready to pronounce that he doesn't fit Ainsworth's style.
Well, probably not, seems as Ainsworth likes players who are fit and can run box to box for 90 minutes.
But don't let that spoil another opportunity to bash Ainsworth, the club, the board etc...
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Post by nomar on Jun 21, 2023 7:28:42 GMT
Whilst on this subject, am I missing something here?
Didn't Ainsworth have Eze at Wycombe, and didn't Eze have praise for him recently as part of those that helped develop him?
This is a talented midfield creator who loves to play with the ball at his feet and excelled at Wycombe, no?
All I'm hearing is hoofball this and hoofball that, and I'm trying to reconcile that with a manager who had a player like Eze and actually helped him progress.
It seems to be completely the opposite of what should have happened to him at Wycombe.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 21, 2023 7:44:15 GMT
Sad to see him go but he does not fit Ainsworths style . A talented player dogged by too many injuries lately and past his best. It would have been good to have him around the squad as the experienced head and good sub but on his salary too expensive a luxury. On the other hand I assume we had to pay him off - maybe not the whole contract if he has something already lined up back home. So we move on and see who Ainsworth has in mind as a midfield general and creator - or more likely he will bypass midfield and play direct from keeper to striker Am I missing something here? Didn't Ainsworth have Eze at Wycombe, and didn't Eze have praise for him recently as part of those that helped develop him? This is a talented midfield creator who loves to play with the ball at his feet and excelled at Wycombe, no? All I'm hearing is hoofball this and hoofball that, and I'm trying to reconcile that with a manager who had a player like Eze and actually helped him progress. It seems to be completely the opposite of what should have happened to him at Wycombe. Very true! However, Eze is such a good bloke, he speaks well of everyone. But his Wycombe loan was certainly a turning point for him. But with regard to Johansen's departure, he was very effective when we were passing around at the back, he was the who that ran deep to give them the 'out' ball. He had injuries and lost what little pace he had. But when he returned, we were no longer playing that 'style'. Depending how you like your bread buttered, Ainsworth prefers 'no nonsense defending' - that I think translates as 'don't ponce about, clear the ball'. Now we saw several of our players lose the ball by poncing about, and we conceded many goals as a consequence. So, to a certain extent, i agree with that. That can mean by-passing the midfield - and so Johansen looked lost in an Ainsworth team. But the main issue with the approach last term was that ' no nonsense defending' also depends on having some pace. We have not had any pace since Bright left. So the ball comes back more often than not, making it little more than hoof ball at times. But let us all wait and see what the structure of the squad looks like when the window closes before judging too much. We need a midfield general and some pace up front / on the wings. We need a pacier central defender (like Clarke-Salter) to play alongside the likes of Dunne, for the plan to work. The other consideration is that Ainsworth seems to be the motivator, the front man. Dobson 'dobbo' is the thinker, the brains, the coach. Wycombe wanted Dobbo to succeed Gareth, but he opted to go to the team he supported as a kid. My forecast would be that even if Ainsworth does prove to be short term, worth putting a few bob on Dobbo being our next manager. My only worry, he sounds like Beale! Early days. |
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Post by robindubois on Jun 21, 2023 7:50:12 GMT
I think what you are missing are the actual words of Ainsworth himself about how he wants to play and the type of player he wants, plus the evidence of how he has lined up and played his team at Wycombe in the past and even in the end of our season with Dieng hoofing the ball out instead of passing it forward.
Yes Ainsworth had Eze and helped part of his development - one of the things he was taught and continued to be told under other managers was to work harder off the ball - Eze's own words. Eze was one special talent and it would be wrong to judge a manager on the ability of one player. If that were the case why have subsequent QPR managers been sacked when they have picked up or developed developed players like Chair and Willock.
As long as Ainsworth is our manager I will give him my full support as I want the club to do well but it will not stop me expressing my views on his stated intended style of play which I doubt will achieve much at the Championship level. I am not anti GA just anti long ball just to see it come straight back at us. We should expect better than that.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 21, 2023 8:32:53 GMT
As long as Ainsworth is our manager I will give him my full support as I want the club to do well but it will not stop me expressing my views on his stated intended style of play which I doubt will achieve much at the Championship level. I am not anti GA just anti long ball just to see it come straight back at us. We should expect better than that. It is all about opinions and it is why we bother to go on a message board - and I am always pleased to read contrary views that are well articulated rather than just sounding off 'sack everyone' without offering solutions. The only thing I would say though is that although you type 'full support' it really does not come across as that. It is as if you are willing him to fail so that we can introduce a different style. I just hope he succeeds so that we don't have to start yet again with some Continental coach full of mercenaries or travel men - probably the next cab on the rank for us (assuming I am wrong about Dobbo being next!). It is hard to judge Ainsworth on last term. There was so much wrong, when he arrived. He made mistakes - some big ones, but it is hard to ignore how a reputable coach like Critchley had completely capitulated. It is clear today that our most senior players were plotting their summer exits. Loan players were thinking about their next loan. But he did manage those two 'lucky' victories. Dickie was outstanding against Burnley having looked lost (and we are told unhappy) beforehand. Perhaps he knew Bristol were watching! But Laird who was sensational for Beale, and woeful for Critchley, also came on at Burnley and played out of his skin. My point is that last term was dreadful, and yet we survived somehow. We all just wanted to get to the Summer and go again. He has not signed anyone yet and the chances are that any funds from sales will need to go towards the FFP shortfall for the year. So, he has a huge task ahead and he probably thinks that his best shot is to do it his way with players he trusts, who work hard. If he was the wrong appointment then that is history, we need him to succeed, and I hope he does. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 21, 2023 9:57:29 GMT
Roll on July when things should start happening. Oh and happy "longest day of the year" to you all in the Northern Hemisphere, It is our shortest day to down under.
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Post by robindubois on Jun 21, 2023 12:57:05 GMT
As long as Ainsworth is our manager I will give him my full support as I want the club to do well but it will not stop me expressing my views on his stated intended style of play which I doubt will achieve much at the Championship level. I am not anti GA just anti long ball just to see it come straight back at us. We should expect better than that. It is all about opinions and it is why we bother to go on a message board - and I am always pleased to read contrary views that are well articulated rather than just sounding off 'sack everyone' without offering solutions. The only thing I would say though is that although you type 'full support' it really does not come across as that. It is as if you are willing him to fail so that we can introduce a different style. I just hope he succeeds so that we don't have to start yet again with some Continental coach full of mercenaries or travel men - probably the next cab on the rank for us (assuming I am wrong about Dobbo being next!). It is hard to judge Ainsworth on last term. There was so much wrong, when he arrived. He made mistakes - some big ones, but it is hard to ignore how a reputable coach like Critchley had completely capitulated. It is clear today that our most senior players were plotting their summer exits. Loan players were thinking about their next loan. But he did manage those two 'lucky' victories. Dickie was outstanding against Burnley having looked lost (and we are told unhappy) beforehand. Perhaps he knew Bristol were watching! But Laird who was sensational for Beale, and woeful for Critchley, also came on at Burnley and played out of his skin. My point is that last term was dreadful, and yet we survived somehow. We all just wanted to get to the Summer and go again. He has not signed anyone yet and the chances are that any funds from sales will need to go towards the FFP shortfall for the year. So, he has a huge task ahead and he probably thinks that his best shot is to do it his way with players he trusts, who work hard. If he was the wrong appointment then that is history, we need him to succeed, and I hope he does. I have never willed any manager player owner or anything/anyone connected with the club to fail. If Ainsworth fails the the club fails and that is the last thing I want. I want him to succeed but to do so in a way that is good to watch. A sign of a good manager is that they can, and do, adapt style of play to suit the players available, modern and changing tactics and other necessary changes maybe enforced by injury or suspension. Tactics that work in the lower leagues rarely work with success at higher levels. Ainsworth has done a reasonable or good job in the lower leagues with Wycombe but if he wants to impress and take his career forward in the Championship or Premier League I feel he needs to adapt his style. Just having hard working players is not enough at this level. However good he may be as a motivator, tactics are just as important and I fear that if he does not adapt then he, and the club, may fail. So he does have my full support just as the club and all involved have always had my full support whether they be top of the old First division and in Europe or low down the the old third division south. I expect that finance will once again limit what Ainsworth or any other manger we could have named will be able to do so we may be stuck with a hard working team short on flair and hope that is enough. Will it be good to watch? only time will tell and then it depends on what fans feel is good to watch. On a different note you mention Dickie and his performance at Burnley. I still wonder how did that sudden change, back to the player we thought he was when he first joined, come about. Was he highly motivated by the coach? maybe but then where was he and others against Bristol City. Or maybe he was motivated to show the coach what he could do knowing that his style of playing out from the back would not be required next season. Admittedly his style did lead to giving away a few soft goals whereas a hoof into the stands may have been safer. All water under the bridge now. But the big take away from the Burnley and to a lesser extent Stoke games is that we conceded possession , hung on for dear life and won against the odds having been completely outplayed and our goal bombarded . We can get away with that a few times but not a whole season in the Championship. |
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Post by robindubois on Jun 21, 2023 14:13:07 GMT
It is all about opinions and it is why we bother to go on a message board - and I am always pleased to read contrary views that are well articulated rather than just sounding off 'sack everyone' without offering solutions. The only thing I would say though is that although you type 'full support' it really does not come across as that. It is as if you are willing him to fail so that we can introduce a different style. I just hope he succeeds so that we don't have to start yet again with some Continental coach full of mercenaries or travel men - probably the next cab on the rank for us (assuming I am wrong about Dobbo being next!). It is hard to judge Ainsworth on last term. There was so much wrong, when he arrived. He made mistakes - some big ones, but it is hard to ignore how a reputable coach like Critchley had completely capitulated. It is clear today that our most senior players were plotting their summer exits. Loan players were thinking about their next loan. But he did manage those two 'lucky' victories. Dickie was outstanding against Burnley having looked lost (and we are told unhappy) beforehand. Perhaps he knew Bristol were watching! But Laird who was sensational for Beale, and woeful for Critchley, also came on at Burnley and played out of his skin. My point is that last term was dreadful, and yet we survived somehow. We all just wanted to get to the Summer and go again. He has not signed anyone yet and the chances are that any funds from sales will need to go towards the FFP shortfall for the year. So, he has a huge task ahead and he probably thinks that his best shot is to do it his way with players he trusts, who work hard. If he was the wrong appointment then that is history, we need him to succeed, and I hope he does. I have never willed any manager player owner or anything/anyone connected with the club to fail. If Ainsworth fails the the club fails and that is the last thing I want. I want him to succeed but to do so in a way that is good to watch. A sign of a good manager is that they can, and do, adapt style of play to suit the players available, modern and changing tactics and other necessary changes maybe enforced by injury or suspension. Tactics that work in the lower leagues rarely work with success at higher levels. Ainsworth has done a reasonable or good job in the lower leagues with Wycombe but if he wants to impress and take his career forward in the Championship or Premier League I feel he needs to adapt his style. Just having hard working players is not enough at this level. However good he may be as a motivator, tactics are just as important and I fear that if he does not adapt then he, and the club, may fail. So he does have my full support just as the club and all involved have always had my full support whether they be top of the old First division and in Europe or low down the the old third division south. I expect that finance will once again limit what Ainsworth or any other manger we could have named will be able to do so we may be stuck with a hard working team short on flair and hope that is enough. Will it be good to watch? only time will tell and then it depends on what fans feel is good to watch. On a different note you mention Dickie and his performance at Burnley. I still wonder how did that sudden change, back to the player we thought he was when he first joined, come about. Was he highly motivated by the coach? maybe but then where was he and others against Bristol City. Or maybe he was motivated to show the coach what he could do knowing that his style of playing out from the back would not be required next season. Admittedly his style did lead to giving away a few soft goals whereas a hoof into the stands may have been safer. All water under the bridge now. But the big take away from the Burnley and to a lesser extent Stoke games is that we conceded possession , hung on for dear life and won against the odds having been completely outplayed and our goal bombarded . We can get away with that a few times but not a whole season in the Championship. PS To make myself crystal clear there is a massive difference between my expressing concerns or fears of what I think could happen to actually willing them to happen. I recall raising some similar concerns when JFH was appointed but was also vocal against his premature sacking. If I wanted Ainsworth to "fail" I would not waste my and other peoples time writing posts on the subject but would convert to rangersman style and simply say Ainsworth should be sacked now and let who ever is next through the door select his own staff and players. (That's a bit long winded ) While Ainsworth would not have been my first choice he is our manager and therefore I wish him success. |
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Post by harr on Jun 21, 2023 14:23:49 GMT
Personally I couldn’t give a hoot what sort of ball game it is , long ball, short ball, sideways ball as long as whoever plays has a bit of desire and passion to play for QPR and actually put a shift in each week to try to get the three points and not be statues out there.
Unlike the garbage we had to watch from January to May this year, apart from about 4 matches the rest was pants under Critchley and Ainsworth.
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Post by nomar on Jun 21, 2023 16:01:23 GMT
Personally I couldn’t give a hoot what sort of ball game it is , long ball, short ball, sideways ball as long as whoever plays has a bit of desire and passion to play for QPR and actually put a shift in each week to try to get the three points and not be statues out there. Unlike the garbage we had to watch from January to May this year, apart from about 4 matches the rest was pants under Critchley and Ainsworth. This. |
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