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Post by londonranger on Apr 22, 2023 21:38:36 GMT
Please compute it for us. Cheers
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Post by harr on Apr 22, 2023 22:00:14 GMT
Hi Harry, there is so many possibles still.
We need to get 3 points from 2 matches to be 100% safe.
If Reading lose one of their last 2 matches, Wigan (H) Hudderfield (A) we can afford to lose both of ours, providing Blackpool don’t win both.
If Reading Win one and draw one, we need one point from Stoke and Bristol City. ( this one point also stops Blackpool catching us and guarantees Championship football)
There’s many other permutations with all the others Cardiff, Hudds and Rotherham but this is the most easiest to follow.
Wigan can’t catch us but because of the 10 goal swing when Blackpool beat us they still can.
We need them not to win both games against Millwall and Norwich , otherwise we need a point to finish above them.
Let’s get a point at Stoke minimum , that will see us safe from Blackpool and proving Reading don’t win see us safe in full.
I always thought 47-48 would be the magic number this year, let’s get to 48 this weekend, anything more a bonus.
Rotherham v Cardiff game in hand is Thursday better for us if Rotherham win.
Then Cardiff will be up for beating Huddersfield Sunday as they will want points .
Cardiff beating Hudderfield is important also because if WARNOCKS Huddersfield lose at Cardiff and fail to beat Sheff Utd game in hand Thursday week, they will still need points to beat Reading last game and be up for it.
We can update Permutations again Friday as Millwall play Blackpool then , they need play off points, if they get a draw or win we know we just have to worry about Reading Saturday ..
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Post by londonranger on Apr 23, 2023 0:53:26 GMT
Great stuff Harles. Have to print this out and follow. But after beating Burnley aren't we closer to it.
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Post by harr on Apr 23, 2023 5:41:39 GMT
Nearly there but not quite and Readings last two games are two games against bottom teams so cant be complacent.
If we go to Stoke and get a point and the results go in our favour we should be safe with a game to go.
Or like Marc says get the win at Stoke and no last day stress.
The trouble being all these games with them playing each other is not great, Reading v Wigan , Cardiff v Huddersfield , last day Huddersfield v Reading .
I have never thought Wigan and Blackpool would catch us, Wigan can’t and Blackpool have to beat Millwall and Norwich, I think Millwall will be there stumbling block.
It’s been a nervous few weeks Harry, who would have thought that at the end of 2022.
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Post by bristolpete on Apr 23, 2023 8:17:26 GMT
Whilst we were the biggest upset yesterday, we were not the only upset. I did not see Millwall losing at Wigan and Norwich 0 Swansea 3 was not anticipated. So I think Blackpool beating both Millwall and Norwich is a real possibility. We need to do it for ourselves.
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Post by robindubois on Apr 23, 2023 8:51:45 GMT
I have all the remaining fixtures by my PC and have done different permutations such as Harr's above - all good fun and interesting.
The more simple answer is we need to win one of our last 2 games, reach 50 points and stop worrying about other teams.
But as we know anything can happen with only 2 or 3 games left, such as yesterday with Blackpool Wigan and ourselves all winning. Could have made a fortune betting for that to happen. So the worse case scenario is that the 6 goals we let in at Blackpool will come back to haunt us and we go down on goal difference.
The three teams below us have a game in hand so if Rotherham and Cardiff draw against each other in theirs and Huddersfield win their game in hand (against Cardiff) we will be back down in 21st place with 2 to play. If we lose both, and Reading pick up 4 points or Blackpool win both their games we are down on goal difference and can even still end up in 23rd place. If we draw one, Reading can still send us down on goal difference by winning both their games.
Bottom line with the actual fixtures in sight is if we win one we are safe, draw one and we are in the hands of others, lose both and we could well be in trouble.
For a while there have been posts on here that we are doomed, having our fate in our own hands will guarantee to send us down, we deserve to go down etc etc. Throughout I have held the line that I will not give up hope until it is all over and even quoted the famous "fat lady sings" saying. Yesterdays win re-affirmed my views but it's too early to get carried away. The result obviously helps us and puts pressure on others - but in real terms little has changed so I still live in hope, pleased that we still have control of our own fate but the fat lady has not started to sing yet. Remember the Watford win was the turning point to make Loftus Road a fortress........ummm
I have put out my view that appointing Ainsworth was the wrong choice and still hold that view for the long term but take my hat off to him for yesterdays win and hopefully will do the same if we stay up.
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Post by Marc on Apr 23, 2023 8:52:03 GMT
Stoke & Bristol City could each go one of two ways. Neither are under any pressure so they could go out and play free flowing football without fear of their heads could already be on the beach.
Either way, it's in our hands. 1 point will put Blackpool out of our minds and even then, Reading will have to win both of theirs. Both are winnable, but this is the Championship and anything can happen. Bear in mind, Wigan are fighting for their lives so Reading certainly aren't guaranteed anything from that game. Also, if they beat Huddersfield, that could potential save us, depending on Huddersfield's next 2 results.
A Harr says, so many permutations, but I'm a hell of a lot more optimistic than I was this time yesterday.
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Post by robindubois on Apr 23, 2023 9:04:12 GMT
Stoke & Bristol City could each go one of two ways. Neither are under any pressure so they could go out and play free flowing football without fear of their heads could already be on the beach. Either way, it's in our hands. 1 point will put Blackpool out of our minds and even then, Reading will have to win both of theirs. Both are winnable, but this is the Championship and anything can happen. Bear in mind, Wigan are fighting for their lives so Reading certainly aren't guaranteed anything from that game. Also, if they beat Huddersfield, that could potential save us, depending on Huddersfield's next 2 results. A Harr says, so many permutations, but I'm a hell of a lot more optimistic than I was this time yesterday. Four words that worry me about Stoke and Bristol City - Dwight Gayle & Nakki Wells In days now gone ,teams like this with nothing much to play for (although I think league position determines how much share of TV money they get) would experiment with young and fringe players looking ahead to next season. Given the implications of these games I expect both will put out full strength teams and be going for wins. Then there is the question of nerves -we still have a relatively young squad who could freeze on the day. Looking at the fixtures of the bottom 7, I would not attempt to forecast any results and any of the bottom 7 including us can still go down. We will see  |
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 23, 2023 9:26:33 GMT
Those 17 minutes after we scored our second goal felt like an eternity.
I think that if we had conceded again, all hope would have drained from us everyone. So I paced and I paced, thinking 'it is the hope that kills'.
Other games finished and Reading and QPR continued on into the night. There was a fair bit of injury, bur I was expecting four maybe five, but not eight!
It just felt like the punishment was going to come from either Turf Moor or Coventry. We had already lived through the earlier Reading equaliser and the Burnley equaliser, just how bad was the day going to get?
So much was the stress, that I could hardly believe it when both results were confirmed. I even woke this morning wondering if it had been a dream.
I have said for some time that we have been devoid of any good fortune, but yesterday it came by the bus load - and we parked it successfully.
We all know that over the last 30 matches, we would have lost that game and it is now hard not to get carried away, even though we know how disappointment has been the order of the season.
We have given ourselves a big opportunity and it would be so good to go along to the Bristol game free of all this pressure. But this is QPR, so I expect another nervous wait next Saturday followed by squeaky backside on Monday 8th May. Please, please, please boys, do the business.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Apr 23, 2023 10:33:55 GMT
Thank god for the points deduction too!!
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Post by Marc on Apr 23, 2023 10:38:00 GMT
Thank god for the points deduction too!! Yes. A part of me hopes that Reading survive as well as us so people can't say we only stayed up because of it. |
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Post by robindubois on Apr 23, 2023 13:27:09 GMT
Just as a distraction and to look on the bright side I hope our first 3 league games next season are Forest at Home Everton away and Leeds at home - in the Championship of course and then see what the EFL do with FFP for that lot.
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Post by robindubois on Apr 23, 2023 13:43:32 GMT
Thank god for the points deduction too!! Yes. A part of me hopes that Reading survive as well as us so people can't say we only stayed up because of it. Win our next 2 and their points deduction is irrelevant as far as we are concerned. I would really like to see Wigan survive and they are on a decent run. They cannot catch us and would also put Reading out of reach of us in the process. So many variations possible - just wish we were talking top 7 teams instead of bottom 7. |
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Post by kerrins on Apr 24, 2023 8:54:30 GMT
Well I have already played my part. I sold my soul to the Devil on Saturday for those Burnley v QPR and Coventry v Reading results.  I much prefer Hell to League one Football |
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Post by harr on Apr 26, 2023 6:55:49 GMT
CHAMPIONSHIP
THURSDAY ,8 PM, Game in hand
ROTHERHAM 1 CARDIFF 2 ✔️
FRIDAY , 8 PM
BLACKPOOL V MILLWALL
SATURDAY, 3 PM
READING V WIGAN
STOKE V QPR
SUNDAY 12 PM
CARDIFF V HUDDERSFIELD
MONDAY 1st May, 1 PM
ROTHERHAM V BORO
THURSDAY 4th May ,7.45 PM Game in hand
HUDDERSFIELD V SHEFF UTD
MONDAY 8th MAY, 3 PM
BURNLEY V CARDIFF
HUDDERSFIELD V READING
NORWICH V BLACKPOOL
QPR V BRISTOL CITY
WIGAN V ROTHERHAM
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 26, 2023 13:41:51 GMT
Rotherham and Cardiff would both be above us tomorrow if they draw. A victory would make one of them safe. I guess a Roitherham victory is better for us.
We have to hope that Blackpool fail to beat Millwall on Friday - then on Saturday it will be all eyes on Reading v Wigan - Come on Wigan!!!
By the time Cardiff and Huddersfield kick off on Sunday, they will know more or less what they need. Warnock will have 3 games to every other team's one.
I still think that we are more likely to survive by the failings of others (and points deductions).
Huddersfield could yet mess it up. Games against Cardiff, Sheffield United and Reading, not easy.
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Post by harr on Apr 26, 2023 15:10:08 GMT
Yeah I’m rooting for Rotherham as reckon Warnock might go to Cardiff and get a Win and then Burnley smash them at home and they don’t get any points from all three games  |
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Post by harr on Apr 27, 2023 21:36:13 GMT
Cardiff get the win versus Rotherham so practically safe now.
Rotherham remain below us with two games to go each.
Blackpool v Millwall tomorrow we want Millwall to get a point or as much as I hate to say it, Millwall win.
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Post by harr on Apr 27, 2023 21:40:55 GMT
Wigan playing a big part still even if they can’t catch us, as they play Reading Saturday and Rotherham last day.
Whilst they can still stay up at least they should be up for it versus Reading but the final game v Rotherham they could be gone.
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Post by sharky on Apr 27, 2023 23:18:11 GMT
Cardiff get the win versus Rotherham so practically safe now. Rotherham remain below us with two games to go each. Blackpool v Millwall tomorrow we want Millwall to get a point or as much as I hate to say it, Millwall win. Sorry, I know it's important for us, but I never want Millwall to win |
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Post by powerpump on Apr 28, 2023 8:04:37 GMT
I have been looking at some of the fans forum of our rivals for relegation. They are contemptuous of Burnley losing to us. There are a number of predictions. One is suggesting that if we need points on the last game of the season and it is learnt during that last game we are losing at home, Huddersfield and Reading playing at the same time would then make sure their game is a O-O draw to save each other and relegate us.
(Just reporting what is being suggested).
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Post by robindubois on Apr 28, 2023 8:24:37 GMT
I have been looking at some of the fans forum of our rivals for relegation. They are contemptuous of Burnley losing to us. There are a number of predictions. One is suggesting that if we need points on the last game of the season and it is learnt during that last game we are losing at home, Huddersfield and Reading playing at the same time would then make sure their game is a O-O draw to save each other and relegate us. So many variables at the bottom with clubs playing each other that it is impossible to predict. Other clubs maybe upset that Burnley did not beat us but they cannot say Burnley did not try. They absolutely threw every thing at us especially in that first half and it was a miracle we did not go in 3-0 down at half time. Re the last game It would be very dangerous for teams to be thinking of playing out draws and I would hope Warnock would have more respect for the game. If we were 1-0 down to Bristol with 10 minutes to play and Reading Huddersfield was 0-0, sending us down on goal difference what would they do? Pass the ball around at the back and make a match fix obvious, but knowing that if we scored a late equaliser one of them would go down. I hope it gets sorted this weekend - as I have said before our fate is in own hands so 3 points at Stoke and we can relax but of course other teams can help us. Blackpool v's Millwall tonight will be a prime example of what can happen in this league in the last couple of games. Blackpool have won 2 of their last 3 games and will be fighting to stay up. Millwall dropped points last week so will want a win to keep their play-off hopes alive. One or both teams could be affected by the pressure or by nerves, one mistake, one wrong ref decision and either team could win or maybe a draw. The same applies to every game left for the bottom 7 - Will Luton and Boro ease up and rest players for the play-offs knowing their places are secure. Will Sheff Utd be in party mood after promotion. Will Stoke and Bristol be taking it easy or trying out young players against us or will they be relaxed and play good football while we are under pressure. There has never been much love lost between Stoke or Bristol and ourselves so I do not expect an easy ride in either game. I would not predict the result of any remaining game this season but it is certainly going to be interesting and unpredictable until the last kick of the season |
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Post by robindubois on Apr 28, 2023 8:29:50 GMT
Cardiff get the win versus Rotherham so practically safe now. Rotherham remain below us with two games to go each. Blackpool v Millwall tomorrow we want Millwall to get a point or as much as I hate to say it, Millwall win. Sorry, I know it's important for us, but I never want Millwall to win Agree and a draw would be the best result. That would leave Blackpool 5 points behind us with only one game left and it would dent Millwall's play-off hopes - best of both worlds. But then either team could win 6-1  |
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Post by harr on Apr 28, 2023 9:55:44 GMT
Draw best result for me, hate those parasites to get to play offs.
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Post by Marc on Apr 28, 2023 12:18:54 GMT
Just had a look at the top half of the table (It's been a while), anyone down to Watford in 13th could mathematically make the play offs. With only 2 games left, that's mad!
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Post by harr on Apr 28, 2023 12:59:10 GMT
Just had a look at the top half of the table It's been a while), anyone down to Watford in 13th could mathematically make the play offs. With only 2 games left, that's mad! If our players had some balls could have been us …. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 28, 2023 15:11:38 GMT
Just had a look at the top half of the table It's been a while), anyone down to Watford in 13th could mathematically make the play offs. With only 2 games left, that's mad! If our players had some balls could have been us …. Last October I heard a distinctive sound - "Clink Clink", that's when they dropped their balls. |
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Post by harr on Apr 28, 2023 19:07:20 GMT
Millwall 1 up 4 minutes
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Post by harr on Apr 28, 2023 20:01:31 GMT
Darn it, 1-1 HT
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Post by Marc on Apr 28, 2023 20:29:34 GMT
2-2 now
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