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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2023 8:45:46 GMT
Not an argument for spending more...I'm aware of our finances and FFP..I'm aware they're funding the club/putting money in..Although it is fair to question the actions of any manager...Or the Director of Football or Lee Hoos (without scapegoating) Even with limited budgets; how we spend that money; sign or loan players is a fair question... But for me it's total lack of communication from owners... Rather than type it out. My views as I tweeted
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Post by robindubois on Feb 1, 2023 9:22:03 GMT
Yeah - I think they should put out a message that all fans can see (not a Tweet) once a month to say how much they have had to put their hands in their pockets in the previous month just to to keep us alive.
Abandoned by the owners ? No - fans (if you can call them that) running the club down on social media (as they are free to do). Lucky there are fans who support the club and do not rely on Twitter as the source of all knowledge.
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2023 12:28:24 GMT
Dave mcs take on it…. I guess we wouldn’t have got Lowe if Beale hadn’t left and give us 1.5 |
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Post by robindubois on Feb 1, 2023 13:50:43 GMT
Plus how many other clubs sit down and do this sort of communication and those who do certainly do not often comment on potential signings/ departures. That all comes from click bait press and Sky.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 1, 2023 14:24:01 GMT
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Post by londonranger on Feb 1, 2023 15:53:27 GMT
I also feel abandoned by the Club. For not putting a competitive team on the field.Nor explaining the absurd Beale situation. My dearest cousin just passed away. He was a lifelong Arsenal fan.
I have been a QPR fan since World War 2. Im getting up in age and thinking I want to leave this world as a fan of a good team. Henceforth I will be an Arsenal fan and also see some games at the emirates.
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Post by rangersman on Feb 1, 2023 17:02:11 GMT
Nothing new is it? we are just badly run and crap, period. Relegation battles are our Forte...........
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Post by Marc on Feb 1, 2023 17:05:07 GMT
Nothing new is it? we are just badly run and crap, period. Relegation battles are our Forte........... When was our last actual relegation battle in the Championship? |
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Post by rangersman on Feb 1, 2023 17:07:35 GMT
Nothing new is it? we are just badly run and crap, period. Relegation battles are our Forte........... When was our last actual relegation battle in the Championship? Not that long ago, i think you know what i mean, ok the yearly plummet down the table........ |
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Post by Marc on Feb 1, 2023 17:14:52 GMT
When was our last actual relegation battle in the Championship? Not that long ago, i think you know what i mean, ok the yearly plummet down the table........ I'm not psychic! So not relegation battles then. Last 2 seasons finished top half. Previous seasons since 2015, averaged 16th, never near a relegation battle except once when a crazy set of results on the last day of the season meant that a defeat would've sent us down. None of them involved plummeting down the table. Want to try again? |
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Post by harr on Feb 1, 2023 18:10:41 GMT
If anyone fancies a listen, 6-7 Critchley will be on there. |
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 1, 2023 18:40:45 GMT
I'm not talking about hearing from the CEO or the Director of Football or the Manager...(All of course are welcome)
I want to hear from the Owners. Their plans...Their issues. Not a tweet or a like from the Chairman or the Majority owner. But actually what...
I'm not calling for a return to the insanity of the Tony Fernandes tweeting era. I'm talking about communication with the owners. I don't follow other clubs; but I get impression other fans occasionally hear from the owners...With us. It's literally years I thin
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Post by maude on Feb 1, 2023 22:53:51 GMT
How I miss the transparency of Thompson .
And the blatant disregard of briatore .
All owners are bastards .
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 2, 2023 8:25:43 GMT
I do think there are disagrees of "Bad Owners" - and I have no doubt I'd rather work for any other QPR owner than Flavio and Gianni (although I'm sure they're both fun to go out for a drink with) But to fit into Maude's "Theme" - As I noted in other thread: "On This Day" in 2001: Chris Wright announces he's quitting! qprreport.proboards.com/post/5615 |
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Post by robindubois on Feb 2, 2023 9:55:28 GMT
I also feel abandoned by the Club. For not putting a competitive team on the field.Nor explaining the absurd Beale situation. My dearest cousin just passed away. He was a lifelong Arsenal fan. I have been a QPR fan since World War 2. Im getting up in age and thinking I want to leave this world as a fan of a good team. Henceforth I will be an Arsenal fan and also see some games at the emirates. Sorry to hear about your cousin. Abandoned by the club? Sounds like you are abandoning your club to follow the team temporarily at the top of the PL. Will that make you feel any better? Good Luck at Arsenal and have fun on their message boards. Top of the PL is not good enough for some of their supporters even if they manage to stay there for a while longer. Plus read back to what was being said about them and their manager this time last year and even the divided opinions on their activity during this window. No better than some of the comments you see on here. Our coaches put out the most competitive team in their opinion from the fit players we have. Those players can do it at times, but inconsistently, as we have seen over the last 2 seasons. The reason why we do not put out a better team is because we cannot afford to buy or pay better players and we have been very open in saying so. The coaches have to make those decision - that's what they are paid for and if they get in wrong they usually pay by losing their jobs far too quickly without being given time to sort things out. I think the club explained the Beale situation very clearly and simply. We did not want to lose him and were disappointed that he went but he wanted to go, we did not want to force someone to stay who did not want to be at the club - as LF said publicly "we only want people who want to be at the club". Not much more too it - we got the compensation, he got the job he always wanted - the bad taste comes from the manner in which it all happened. For once we were dumped by the manager before we dumped him. This whole thread is getting ridiculous. Enough links showing the club does communicate, over the top emotive comments people will live to regret, and inaccurate claims about relegation battles etc . Simple facts- we are financially stuffed, we have some good players, who for some reason are not performing to their ability at the moment and we have slid down the table - just as WBA have gone the other way. That's football for you. Not every team can be top of the table. If "fans" cannot accept the facts of life of football and that every club will have good and bad runs and move up and down - give up completely. Of course we all want the club to be the best but the same can be said for supporters of every team in the country. A massive "if' but what will we read on here if we were to win the next 4 games - 50 points, no risk of a relegation battle, back up near the play-off spots. What if we lose the next 4 - we will be down there fighting to stay up. That's football so get real and accept it or give up football. If the team has a problem or bad run there are 2 possible reactions. 1.look for someone to blame or 2 try to work out the problem and fix it. I am a firm believer in no 2 and have little or no time for no 1 Lock the thread and close it down.  Rant over |
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Post by surreychad on Feb 2, 2023 10:04:21 GMT
I also feel abandoned by the Club. For not putting a competitive team on the field.Nor explaining the absurd Beale situation. My dearest cousin just passed away. He was a lifelong Arsenal fan. I have been a QPR fan since World War 2. Im getting up in age and thinking I want to leave this world as a fan of a good team. Henceforth I will be an Arsenal fan and also see some games at the emirates. This is very sad. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 2, 2023 10:11:36 GMT
Owners get involved with football clubs for various reasons, but unlike most other business ventures, vanity and ego plays a huge part.
Looking back through our dreadful owners, most thought they had an idea that had not been thought of before.
Moist ideas involve moving out of Loftus Road or merging with someone else.
The only merger that went ahead was Chris Wright / WASPS. Chris was a successful music entrepreneur, but beyond selling the Sudbury ground, had very little clue.
Most new owners (of all clubs) have bought into the notion of getting into the top tier, where clearly money (and vanity) can be made.
Few achieve it though - but we did it twice and screwed it on both occasions. Big time.
I have been a CEO of big companies, owned by venture capitalists. Owners tend to communicate only with the shareholders, leaving the CEO to do the rest.
Football is slightly different, but mainly due to the vanity side of the equations. Owners want to rejoice in the football success and shrink away from the failures.
The reaction is to sack the manager / coach - but rarely the CEO. That is mainly because the real shareholders of most clubs are the supporters and the keyboard warriors that go with them.
The vanity with Fernandes was so great that he actively encouraged social media debate, before shrinking away as he slowly lost his majority.
We now have a majority shareholder who prefers to stay quiet. That does not concern me at all - so long as the CEO has a direct channel and fully understands the owners' objectives and short-term plans.
Fernandes got so involved in the football, that we had to appoint a Director of Football to distance him. That has been more or less achieved, although now we are left not knowing who is responsible for what.
We have allowed coaches to dictate to the Director of Football (and presumably CEO) so that now we have a new coach with a squad assembled by the last coach, with disinterested players and loans.
So to me, the silence from our owners is perfectly natural, but we do need to hear from the CEO and DofF - especially as the accounts are due out shortly.
N.B. I think that Hoos has done a very good job turning round the mess he inherited from Beard - but in Beard's shaky defence, it must have been a nightmare being a CEO to those owners.
I am used to the buck stops with the CEO - but football is more complicated it seems.
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2023 10:19:45 GMT
I think we were probably used to Fernandes tweeting every day which was too much anyway.
Bhatia has gone very quiet I must admit, he tweets once a month or so but things are a little quieter than usual.
Most owners don’t update the fans all the time anyway.
I’m not to bothered about it really.
I’m much more concerned the players get off their backsides and actually play what they are paid to do and take some of the pressure of Critchley which is not what he deserves.
I guess we are only wanting more info from the owners while we are going through a consecutive season with a spell of torrid results , had we been in the top six we wouldn’t be bothered about the owners so much.
Rangers, actually play a game with some pride for your Manager and at least get at a point at Huddersfield minimum , anything else is a disaster and will only suck us closer to the bottom three with all there games in hand coming up in the next week or so.
Just man up.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 3, 2023 6:25:53 GMT
I also feel abandoned by the Club. For not putting a competitive team on the field.Nor explaining the absurd Beale situation. My dearest cousin just passed away. He was a lifelong Arsenal fan. I have been a QPR fan since World War 2. Im getting up in age and thinking I want to leave this world as a fan of a good team. Henceforth I will be an Arsenal fan and also see some games at the emirates. This is very sad. As a life long Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Chelsea fan And Leicester & Newcastle (Whichever is winning the EPL) - Only joking. I do feel your pain. September will see me celebrate 48 years of following the hoops and over the last 30, various owners have just chipped away at my loyalty. With what looks like a desire to lose any cup competition at the earliest possible moment, to paying ridiculous wages for used passed by date retirees. It just gets to me. What more do owners want from fans?? All we want is some effort, not over the top blank cheques but a desire to actually be a successful club. Can we please roll back the clock to 1974 and Gordon Jago?? The whole player mentality has changed too. No loyalty, no pride in the club they play for. Kissing the badge is like kissing my arsenal. Yes, they are professional. Perhaps they should try acting like one on and off the pitch. They show more interest is bling, tattoos and haircuts than they do about putting in a shift on the pitch. |
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Post by robindubois on Feb 3, 2023 7:49:53 GMT
As a life long Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Man United, Chelsea fan And Leicester & Newcastle (Whichever is winning the EPL) - Only joking. I do feel your pain. September will see me celebrate 48 years of following the hoops and over the last 30, various owners have just chipped away at my loyalty. With what looks like a desire to lose any cup competition at the earliest possible moment, to paying ridiculous wages for used passed by date retirees. It just gets to me. What more do owners want from fans?? All we want is some effort, not over the top blank cheques but a desire to actually be a successful club. Can we please roll back the clock to 1974 and Gordon Jago?? The whole player mentality has changed too. No loyalty, no pride in the club they play for. Kissing the badge is like kissing my arsenal. Yes, they are professional. Perhaps they should try acting like one on and off the pitch. They show more interest is bling, tattoos and haircuts than they do about putting in a shift on the pitch. Well I calculate i am heading for 65 years since my first game in September so I'm not about to give up now. The game has changed, players and just about everything else has changed. One thing that will not change is my loyalty to the club I support. Pity players and others in the game do not show just a little of the same loyalty. |
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Post by harr on Feb 3, 2023 8:30:26 GMT
If the players go to Huddersfield and put in the same level of away performance as Luton,Cardiff and Hull I really feel for Critchley.
He deserves better.
They owe it to him to put in a good showing, if they don’t who knows what will happen.
Players need to understand that of performance is unacceptable, yet they did exactly the same last year.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 3, 2023 9:53:23 GMT
First goal really important tomorrow. Both teams struggling.
Even an ugly win would do for me to relieve the pressure.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 4, 2023 11:29:37 GMT
Do we have a striker?? or is it 5-5-0??
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Post by robindubois on Feb 4, 2023 11:49:33 GMT
First goal really important tomorrow. Both teams struggling. Even an ugly win would do for me to relieve the pressure. The bottom 3 all play each other in the next couple of weeks - good news they cannot all close the gap - bad news some of them will pick up points. So 3 points today, anyway we can get them, will be great. Just hope we are awake from the start or I can see Huddersfield sneaking a 10th minute soft goal from a free header then parking the bus for the rest of the game. Plus if we do take the lead I hope we do not think the job is done and switch off or drop back to defend it. |
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Post by surreychad on Feb 4, 2023 12:44:36 GMT
Do we have a striker?? or is it 5-5-0?? False number 9 , if its good enough for Man city then its good enough for us  |
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Post by robindubois on Feb 4, 2023 14:30:35 GMT
3-2-5 would be interesting - should keep them pushed back in their own half but look out for their fast breakaways, corners, free kicks, free headers penalties and own goals ......  |
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Post by rangersman on Feb 4, 2023 17:19:34 GMT
Not that long ago, i think you know what i mean, ok the yearly plummet down the table........ I'm not psychic! So not relegation battles then. Last 2 seasons finished top half. Previous seasons since 2015, averaged 16th, never near a relegation battle except once when a crazy set of results on the last day of the season meant that a defeat would've sent us down. None of them involved plummeting down the table. Want to try again? No not if you cannot understand, no point is there? |
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Post by Marc on Feb 4, 2023 18:44:19 GMT
I'm not psychic! So not relegation battles then. Last 2 seasons finished top half. Previous seasons since 2015, averaged 16th, never near a relegation battle except once when a crazy set of results on the last day of the season meant that a defeat would've sent us down. None of them involved plummeting down the table. Want to try again? No not if you cannot understand, no point is there? Understand what? I laid out a few facts for you, sorry they don't suit your narrative. |
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Post by surreychad on Feb 4, 2023 18:49:04 GMT
I also feel abandoned by the Club. For not putting a competitive team on the field.Nor explaining the absurd Beale situation. My dearest cousin just passed away. He was a lifelong Arsenal fan. I have been a QPR fan since World War 2. Im getting up in age and thinking I want to leave this world as a fan of a good team. Henceforth I will be an Arsenal fan and also see some games at the emirates. Sorry but I had to smile today, QPR fan becomes an Arsenal fan and the very next game Arsenal lose.  |
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Post by maude on Feb 11, 2023 21:55:45 GMT
Watcha mark . !
How’s stuff and shit ?
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