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Post by Macmoish on May 20, 2022 7:57:38 GMT
Both Viera and Everton should be in big trouble |
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Post by rickyqpr on May 20, 2022 9:22:28 GMT
There have been serious pitch invasions and incidents at every play-off game this season.
It is really shocking and must be very frightening for the players.
Of course victorious players are often only too keen to celebrate with the fans, but it is now a serious problem.
Fans think they have a right to go on the pitch, they don't, it is trespass. But within the group of invaders are motivated idiots, all recording on their phones.
I do not know how you stop it though. Points deductions? Ban away fans and impose closed doors penalty on the home side.
Answers on a postcard, but the serious incidents this week suggest it is going to get even worse and someone could die.
It is only football after all...
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Post by Marc on May 20, 2022 9:39:47 GMT
There have been serious pitch invasions and incidents at every play-off game this season. It is really shocking and must be very frightening for the players. Of course victorious players are often only too keen to celebrate with the fans, but it is now a serious problem. Fans think they have a right to go on the pitch, they don't, it is trespass. But within the group of invaders are motivated idiots, all recording on their phones. I do not know how you stop it though. Points deductions? Ban away fans and impose closed doors penalty on the home side. Answers on a postcard, but the serious incidents this week suggest it is going to get even worse and someone could die. It is only football after all... Therein lies the problem, pitch invasions have become the norm. Can't remember the game but at the end, the linesman was already halfway across the pitch when the referee blew for full-time. Every time one goes unpunished, it becomes ever more impossible to punish the next. I don't know what the answer is. We certainly don't want to go back to fences and warnings over the tannoy have little effect. |
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Post by stylecouncillor on May 20, 2022 10:17:26 GMT
Both Viera and Everton should be in big trouble I have to disagree I don't see why Vierra should be in big trouble . Everton is a different matter . Why there was no stewards or police with Vierra is all down to Everton . They moved the away dressing room (Covid reasons). It was hardly a shock fans ran on last game of the season. Imagine how fans would of reacted if Palace had Won . |
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Post by rickyqpr on May 20, 2022 13:50:50 GMT
Both Viera and Everton should be in big trouble
I have to disagree I don't see why Vierra should be in big trouble . Everton is a different matter . Why there was no stewards or police with Vierra is all down to Everton . They moved the away dressing room (Covid reasons). It was hardly a shock fans ran on last game of the season. Imagine how fans would of reacted if Palace had Won . Well it certainly raises the question of how much provocation is a manager expected to withstand. My point about someone could get killed - well if they can do this sort of thing when they win, player safety had they lost is a huge open debate. The officials are particularly at risk if there has been a controversial decision (perhaps thank heavens for VAR for a change!) Players used to sprint off on the last day final whistle but now hang around shaking hands clapping their fans. |
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Post by londonranger on May 20, 2022 18:24:37 GMT
Well this was a critical game for Everton which guaranteed they would stay in the Prem. Having come b ack from a 2-0 Palace at half time, to win 3-2 made the fans delirious that they would stay in the Prem. Apparently Everton have never been relegated from the old First division and the Prem. But the fans reacted like they had just won the Premier league with fans running hither and yon and blue lights flashing. I don't know the capacity of Goodison Park, but it seemed all of them were on the pitch. There were some police but no way could there be a holding back of the entire crowd. Veira had to get to the other side of the pitch and was blocked by the massive crowd. Apparently some one or two were blocking him, hence the fisticuffs.
The irony is that Everton would not have gone down, either Leeds or Burnley were more likely to be relegated but this was a win that sealed the deal for them. The celebrations went on for at least an hour and more. Being in Liverpool this was a more intense celebration when Liverpool won the league a couple of years ago. Actually it was frightening
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Post by powerpump on May 21, 2022 7:51:37 GMT
I say Patrick Viera was threatened and provoked. His reaction was in the circumstances-in my view-fully justified.
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Post by powerpump on May 21, 2022 7:52:14 GMT
delete repeat post
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Post by Macmoish on May 21, 2022 10:25:56 GMT
I don't doubt Viera has provocation and mitigation. And I think Everton need to be punished big time. I just think there has to be A punishment for Viera.
If he'd just been pushing back/defending himself. But he went after the thug. So some punishment; but not massive. (Not a Cantona type ban)
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Post by londonranger on May 21, 2022 21:18:57 GMT
I made a mistake in my post which has to be corrected. Everton were in the 2nd division in 1929 and also early 1950s.Well it was a very long time ago.
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Post by powerpump on May 26, 2022 0:33:07 GMT
I say Patrick Viera was threatened and provoked. His reaction was in the circumstances-in my view-fully justified. No action by FA or police against him: www.bbc.com/sport/football/61584400 |
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Post by harr on Nov 17, 2023 12:50:55 GMT
10 point deduction soon to be in the Championship.
BBC
Everton have received an immediate 10-point deduction after being found to have breached the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules.
The punishment is the biggest sporting sanction in the competition's history and leaves Everton 19th in the table on a new total of four points.
The club said it was "both shocked and disappointed" by the "wholly disproportionate and unjust" ruling.
Everton have said they intend to appeal against the decision.
The Premier League referred Everton to an independent commission in March but did not reveal the specifics of the club's alleged breach.
Everton posted financial losses for the fifth successive year in March after reporting a £44.7m deficit in 2021-22.
Premier League clubs are permitted to lose £105m over a three-year period and Everton admitted to being in breach of the profit and sustainability rules (PSR) for the period ending 2021-22.
Following a five-day hearing in October, the commission found in favour of the Premier League that Everton's losses during that period amounted to £124.5m.
In a statement, Everton said: "The club does not recognise the finding that it failed to act with the utmost good faith and it does not understand this to have been an allegation made by the Premier League during the course of proceedings.
"Both the harshness and severity of the sanction imposed by the commission are neither a fair nor a reasonable reflection of the evidence submitted.
"The club will also monitor with great interest the decisions made in any other cases concerning the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules."
In Premier League history only two other clubs have received a points deduction.
Middlesbrough were deducted three points for failing to fulfil a fixture against Blackburn during the 1996-97 season, while in 2010 Portsmouth were deducted nine points after going into administration.
Neither club was able to avoid relegation following those sanctions.
The deduction leaves the Toffees level with bottom club Burnley on four points after 12 matches - and two points adrift of safety.
More to follow.
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Post by londonranger on Nov 18, 2023 20:31:25 GMT
Doubtful if they would get more than a 2 point reduction on appeal. The next big punishment will befall to Manchester C and Chelsea.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 20, 2023 5:46:12 GMT
"Wholly Disproportionate"?? Try a 40 Million Pound fine for wholly disproportionate".
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