Flashback! Time for a change ?

[qprman]

Just wondering how many of us are thinking that the man at the helm has finally started to run out of ideas ?

If you look at every club he has been at it’s almost the same story. Well known for not having a plan “B”. Starts well but slowly fizzles out. As a team we are slowly going backward. I can take losing but not in the manner of how we are playing. And so often we are being totally outplayed by far poorer teams.

So many people I have spoken to feel we were in a false position for much of this season and I have to agree and as much as many thought we had a great transfer window I was sure we needed a goal scoring midfielder and or another forward. I think we should have gone all out to do that as it would have been taking a calculated risk with the rewards at the time being a chance of catching Bournemouth and that would have been a realistic goal.

I’m not really sure what the answer is however what I honestly think is that under the current regime we have probably gone as far as we can go.

Finally I’ve lost count of how many times our manager has said we are lacking quality in the final third. Well you really don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see that.

Taking a year on year look we are making progress but in reality I can’t help thinking we may have gone as far as we can go.

[Macmoish]

Obviously we probably have all considered the pros and cons.

I'd slightly-unhappily stick with Warburton (assuming he wants to stay); because I have no confidence we'd pick someone better - Ainsworth? - and seen too
many clubs fire a manager cos he doesnt achieve enough. And then the next manager does even worse - and down they go.

[rangersman]

I completely agree, i have never liked his methods or thought he was a good manager. He is lower league competent only, we really do need to let him go. This joke today, has only cemented those facts IMO.

[nomar]

Hard to defend any of them today after that.

Peterborough are by no means a good team and regardless of this result they will deservedly go down and get beat by most everyone else they play.

The fact that everyone else in this league has no problem beating Posh yet every time we play them this season they pull our pants down and make us their own personal b*tch. That's hard to take and indefensible.

I can't honestly say anything good after today result. Shameful and fkn embarrassing.

[rico]

Yes it now time to change warbs and his team completely run out of idea's to be honest its been coming but can't see it happening he's had a good run but cannot take us any further

[surreychad]

100% agree. We need a bounce and some new ideas to give us a change in the remaining games, we have the players we just need the manager

[harr]

All I am going to say on the subject we won’t get more points than last year on current form and from where we was
with 16 or 17 games to go that will be shocking.
We seem devoid of ideas and to pick up one point from Barnsley , Cardiff, Hull and Peterboro is a joke.
I think we might finish somewhere between 9 th and 11 th the way things are heading.

[kerrins]

Speaking on a personal basis I have still not forgotten the awful first 16 months Warburton was in Charge and the defensive shambles that went with it and at the time said

so on various message boards. Some Clubs would have sacked him then. Certainly thereafter there was a big improvement and we all quite rightly had our hopes raised.

Now Sadly we seem to be going backwards

[egranger]

Do none of you think MW has done a great job this season? Yes we are on a poor run but still in the mix for the play offs - we must back the manager who has done so well on a limited budget for the last two years - still 21 points to play for. MW has raised expectations this season - lets give him some credit please

[harr]

Mar 21, 2022 17:03:51 GMT egranger said:

Do none of you think MW has done a great job this season? Yes we are on a poor run but still in the mix for the play offs - we must back the manager who has done so well on a limited budget for the last two years - still 21 points to play for. MW has raised expectations this season - lets give him some credit please

He did a great job for a whole year right the way thro the first half of 21 then the second half of 21.
Our points average for 12 months was superb but since end of Jan when we played Peterboro in the cup our performances have been poor and realistically we could have had no wins in our last 10.
We are looking just like WBA and we know what happened there.
No point changing a Manager with 8 games to go, so happy to go thro the motions for the remainder.
By the way it’s 24 points to play for but if you think we will pick up points against Fulham,Huddersfield , Sheff U twice and others I think we are kidding ourselves.
We are sitting 23rd in the 10 match form table, with one point from Barnsley,Hull,Cardiff and Peterboro, I think we would be mad to think we could reach the play offs.
Forest have games in hand, playing well, Luton are on form, Millwall have games that look like a walk in the park, Boro,Huddersfield will pick up more points.
I realistically think we are looking at 10th, with possibly less points than last season.
Sitting where we where, if we finish outside the top 10 do I want him starting next season, probably No.
Forget the budget thing, Luton , Millwall and others all do ok on budgets in the lower end.

[rickyqpr]

www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/injuries-errors-and-a-poor-january-window-have-halted-qprs-play-off-charge
A pretty good and fair summary from WLS.
I would love to see a stat of our performances with Willock compared to those performances without him.
To me, he is the big difference.
I don't think a change of manager will help us (depends who it is of course) but we do need a big lift.
I hope our bad form started and ended with Peterborough and I would love to beat Fulham - but looks unlikely.

[harr]

I would agree with most of that apart from the fact we still have a chance to get in the play offs.
Nope, not any more gone.
Hendricks was a crap signing and Sanderson who got sent off earlier is pretty average.
Two signings we never really needed.
Why are we not playing Barbet now.

[hitmanrangers]

Let’s see how we respond after international break. We probably need 6 wins from 8 which is a tall order given current form and our remaining fixtures. Assuming Dykes gets fit we need to go for it and play 2 upfront and leave Chair or Willock on the bench. If we do not go up then the summer will be interesting gives us a chance to improve squad by selling 2 or 3 players and reinvesting. Expect the owners to make a quick decision on whether Warbo stays so we can make those sales and signings quickly post season. This is an ageing team that lacks youth, enthusiasm and pace that needs addressing in the summer.

[harr]

Mar 22, 2022 7:23:45 GMT hitmanrangers said:

Let’s see how we respond after international break. We probably need 6 wins from 8 which is a tall order given current form and our remaining fixtures. Assuming Dykes gets fit we need to go for it and play 2 upfront and leave Chair or Willock on the bench. If we do go up then the summer will be interesting gives us a chance to improve squad by selling 2 or 3 players and reinvesting. Expect the owners to make a quick decision on whether Warbo stays so we can make those sales and signings quickly post season. This is an ageing team that lacks youth, enthusiasm and pace that needs addressing in the summer.

6 wins from eight when we have just managed 2 wins from 10 against Peterboro, Hull,Cardiff, Barnsley.
As much as I love QPR, It kills me to say it but it’s not gonna happen.

[robindubois]

Too many international and Covid breaks have been a curse for us imo. Apart from this one they have always come at a time when we were pushing on and then came back slowly after the breaks.

[qprman]

Well if the Breadman thinks we have been lacking quality in the final third then what happens now with no Willock.

So many people thought we had a “great” transfer window but to me it always needed a goal scoring midfielder and one more forward. Charlie has for whatever reasons not been himself this year, Chair is in and out , Dykes good when fit and Gray has been reliable but for me we should have done everything to have signed Lawrence or Peterson when we were close , not Hendricks.

To be honest Warburtons press conferences are starting to sound like a broken record, so it’s maybe time to think about a “change of record.”

[robindubois]

Mar 22, 2022 19:27:17 GMT qprman said:

Well if the Breadman thinks we have been lacking quality in the final third then what happens now with no Willock.

So many people thought we had a “great” transfer window but to me it always needed a goal scoring midfielder and one more forward. Charlie has for whatever reasons not been himself this year, Chair is in and out , Dykes good when fit and Gray has been reliable but for me we should have done everything to have signed Lawrence or Peterson when we were close , not Hendricks.

To be honest Warburtons press conferences are starting to sound like a broken record, so it’s maybe time to think about a “change of record.”

When will people ever learn. At the start of the season not many expected to see us in the play-off positions for most of the season, then until a few weeks ago it was all talk of how well Warburton, Ferdinand and Hoos had done in running the club and building a good team on little or no budget. 

But then we have a bad run - as every team in this division have at some time and the knives come out for the manager who was so good until 6 games or so ago, hindsight criticism of the transfer window and claims we should have broken our budget and FFP again to sign players who did not want to join us anyway. Look at Blackburns recent run, WBA, Bournemouth not so long ago. 

So those who want a new manager - name one who will be guaranteed to be better and who we can afford. The calls for change of managers sound as much like a broken record as a manager who tells it as it is and does not hide behind excuses at his press conferences. 

Having said all that would an another attacking midfielder have helped - we have people like Amos who should be given their chance. It is upfront where we have been found wanting especially with Dykes being crocked, Gray missing 50% of the games and Charlie just out of form and confidence or maybe something else going on his life especially when our own fans abuse his wife and children. Who knows what will happen in the next 8 games - not just our results but others. They look tough but those are the games we have done well in.

[rickyqpr]

I think if they parted with Warburton, then they would turn to Eustace.
He may well be on a promise after the roles he has turned down.
It is quite rare for that step up situation to work and I am not sure that we would get very much of a change or bounce.
It seems though that some rate him and now he is an international coach as well (ROI).
But I suppose careful what you wish for.

[robindubois]

Mar 23, 2022 16:31:29 GMT rickyqpr said:

I think if they parted with Warburton, then they would turn to Eustace.
He may well be on a promise after the roles he has turned down.
It is quite rare for that step up situation to work and I am not sure that we would get very much of a change or bounce.
It seems though that some rate him and now he is an international coach as well (ROI).
But I suppose careful what you wish for.

I really struggle to think of any club that has done better for anything more than a very short term by replacing the manager with his assistant. In fact these days when the manager goes most of his support team go as well.

Managers and their assistants such as Warbs and Eustace work together as a team - they may not agree on everything but if they were that far apart the assistant would not hang around in the hope of one day taking over.

So if the club did make the mistake (IMO) of changing managers now I think they would have to look outside. I can see the names being rolled out now. Holloway, Warnock, Pearson maybe even Hasslebank. 'arry could always come back or Hughes or Joey Barton with Clint Hill - but seriously, I have, in a couple of threads, asked for the pro change fans to name an alternative. Silence so far but I'm used to that on my posts 

[stylecouncillor]

Mar 23, 2022 16:52:09 GMT robindubois said:

Mar 23, 2022 16:31:29 GMT rickyqpr said:

I think if they parted with Warburton, then they would turn to Eustace.
He may well be on a promise after the roles he has turned down.
It is quite rare for that step up situation to work and I am not sure that we would get very much of a change or bounce.
It seems though that some rate him and now he is an international coach as well (ROI).
But I suppose careful what you wish for.

I really struggle to think of any club that has done better for anything more than a very short term by replacing the manager with his assistant. In fact these days when the manager goes most of his support team go as well.

Managers and their assistants such as Warbs and Eustace work together as a team - they may not agree on everything but if they were that far apart the assistant would not hang around in the hope of one day taking over.

So if the club did make the mistake (IMO) of changing managers now I think they would have to look outside. I can see the names being rolled out now. Holloway, Warnock, Pearson maybe even Hasslebank. 'arry could always come back or Hughes or Joey Barton with Clint Hill - but seriously, I have, in a couple of threads, asked for the pro change fans to name an alternative. Silence so far but I'm used to that on my posts 

Now I don't consider myself a pro changer . Though that's partly because there is not really any alternatives as you say. Also if another club sacked their manager in our current position we would think them deranged. I'm going to look ahead to if we do miss out , because then I think change is inevitable. First let me say I think bringing in Warnock now to work with Warbs would be an idea , can't see it happening because it would mean Warbs admitting he has lost the dressing room. Just think Warnock a brilliant motivater and it could pull us back together as a team .
Looking at the obvious names that are trotted out . Barton is the most obvious now I'm not as anti Barton as many and love him or loathe him he has done decent jobs at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. If Fernandes had a say I think Barton would be here tomorrow. There are probably just to many risk's and issues with Barton. As for Pearson probably the only man with more issues than Barton ! Ainsworth ? I just feel we've out grown him . I feel he's more a shoestring manager if that makes sense. Looking above to the Premier League of those possibly who could come down . Hodgson to old Dyche probably take a break and wait for a bigger club of the others who might come down most have just been appointed. So then you look at our division. Who might become available? Obviously those who miss out on the play offs. Nobody knows yet who that might be of those . Probably only Rowett Millwall and Jones Luton I could see be linked to us and I don't see either leaving their clubs anyway. Nearer the bottom only Rooney (no chance) and maybe Ince ( no thanks) . I feel Darren Ferguson will possibly get mentioned can't decide if that's good or bad so I'm indifferent. I would throw in Ishmael?? WBA and Barnsley's former manager as my current 1st choice from the manager merry go round , Can't see Alladyce or Coleman coming here from the same merry go round though not averse to Coleman but I think he's in Greece. Looking lower League I would assume those with potential will go up and probably want a crack at the next division. Mick McCarthy ? don't even know where he is? So that leaves promoting from within ? We've kind of tried them all haven't we ? Other than Sir Les , he's. probably more likely to push Sherwood yet again ( again NO ) . Maybe Charlie Austin hangs up his boots and has a crack not an instant no for me but surely the biggest Risk of the lot !! Anyway that's my two pence worth hope it makes you feel you've got a response from your post at the very least.

[robindubois]

Mar 24, 2022 10:11:36 GMT stylecouncillor said:

Mar 23, 2022 16:52:09 GMT robindubois said:

I really struggle to think of any club that has done better for anything more than a very short term by replacing the manager with his assistant. In fact these days when the manager goes most of his support team go as well.

Managers and their assistants such as Warbs and Eustace work together as a team - they may not agree on everything but if they were that far apart the assistant would not hang around in the hope of one day taking over.

So if the club did make the mistake (IMO) of changing managers now I think they would have to look outside. I can see the names being rolled out now. Holloway, Warnock, Pearson maybe even Hasslebank. 'arry could always come back or Hughes or Joey Barton with Clint Hill - but seriously, I have, in a couple of threads, asked for the pro change fans to name an alternative. Silence so far but I'm used to that on my posts 

Now I don't consider myself a pro changer . Though that's partly because there is not really any alternatives as you say. Also if another club sacked their manager in our current position we would think them deranged. I'm going to look ahead to if we do miss out , because then I think change is inevitable. First let me say I think bringing in Warnock now to work with Warbs would be an idea , can't see it happening because it would mean Warbs admitting he has lost the dressing room. Just think Warnock a brilliant motivater and it could pull us back together as a team .
Looking at the obvious names that are trotted out . Barton is the most obvious now I'm not as anti Barton as many and love him or loathe him he has done decent jobs at Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers. If Fernandes had a say I think Barton would be here tomorrow. There are probably just to many risk's and issues with Barton. As for Pearson probably the only man with more issues than Barton ! Ainsworth ? I just feel we've out grown him . I feel he's more a shoestring manager if that makes sense. Looking above to the Premier League of those possibly who could come down . Hodgson to old Dyche probably take a break and wait for a bigger club of the others who might come down most have just been appointed. So then you look at our division. Who might become available? Obviously those who miss out on the play offs. Nobody knows yet who that might be of those . Probably only Rowett Millwall and Jones Luton I could see be linked to us and I don't see either leaving their clubs anyway. Nearer the bottom only Rooney (no chance) and maybe Ince ( no thanks) . I feel Darren Ferguson will possibly get mentioned can't decide if that's good or bad so I'm indifferent. I would throw in Ishmael?? WBA and Barnsley's former manager as my current 1st choice from the manager merry go round , Can't see Alladyce or Coleman coming here from the same merry go round though not averse to Coleman but I think he's in Greece. Looking lower League I would assume those with potential will go up and probably want a crack at the next division. Mick McCarthy ? don't even know where he is? So that leaves promoting from within ? We've kind of tried them all haven't we ? Other than Sir Les , he's. probably more likely to push Sherwood yet again ( again NO ) . Maybe Charlie Austin hangs up his boots and has a crack not an instant no for me but surely the biggest Risk of the lot !! Anyway that's my two pence worth hope it makes you feel you've got a response from your post at the very least.

Thanks for the reply (I was only joking!) I think we are almost on the same page here in that if we scan through potential replacements no name jumps out as a step forward.

The biggest question is whether Warbs has lost the dressing room - rumours of some experienced players unhappy with change in tactics etc or is it a drop in confidence, injuries forcing changes or whatever. Now if he has lost the dressing room it would seem logical that we are done for this season. In that case there are 2 possibilities for the summer - just for a bit of controversial debate we can change the manager or we can change the team. We have a number of experienced/ older players who are not likely to be with us next season, a couple of younger ones who will be looking to make a step up so I can see we will need to be recruiting heavily again this summer anyway.

The other issue is what happens if we do reach the play-offs but do not get promoted. Would it be right to sack a manager who has taken us to the play-offs against the odds or do we say freshen things up and hope for something better. I have never called for a managers head and will not start now - especially with only a few games left, totally safe and still chances of the play-offs even if recent performances/results have made the task more difficult than it could have been. We also need to be realistic that 2 of whoever comes down are likely to take the top 2 slots next season and the rest of the league are going to be fighting for the play-offs. So would we sack a manager who has just achieved the best that we could potentially aim for with our resources?  

Time will tell - maybe when Everton get relegated (their run in fixture list looks terrible and they just lost Townsend for the season) Lampard would want a return to London - not that we could afford him. Ho Hum

[LifeR]

Warbs (with great use of limited funds by the R's brass) has come close to creating a silk purse.

Wretched misfortune with injuries and a wafer thin squad (compared with Forest, Bournemouth etc) exposed us.

I may be in a minority, but hope that the club does not change horses.

The team is still a work in progress and the Championship is a tough, unforgiving division.

Conversely, with enough TWITter-esque abuse, he may decide to move on.

[stylecouncillor]

I've also never really called for a manager's head. Although I obviously have thought in the past it might be time for managers to move on as they've gone as far as they are probably going. Warbs is probably the toughest yet . because it's hard to say if he has gone as far as he is going to go. Also he has bought in or bought through Players who are actually worth something in the transfer market . When you look at Chair Dickie Dunne Dykes Seny and Willock all worth a fair amount of profit on what they came for. It might not all be down to Warbs but he must of had quite a big say. Even the buying of Johansen Austin and Field were all applauded . So Obviously it's a hard decision to remove Warbs.

[rickyqpr]

I think it is a case of the grass being greener.
A club hits a bad run, the supporters want change.
QPR, more so than many other clubs, have a history of making poor changes.
We have been a basket case (under Flavio) changing every 5 minutes.
But I think that those calling for change at QPR now tend to think of an external appointment - but then struggle to name that appointment who could make the required difference.
I would love to hear from those on this board who want change what their view of Eustace as a replacement for Warburton would be.
I think he would be odds on favourite IMHO.

[robindubois]

Mar 24, 2022 16:17:07 GMT rickyqpr said:

I think it is a case of the grass being greener.
A club hits a bad run, the supporters want change.
QPR, more so than many other clubs, have a history of making poor changes.
We have been a basket case (under Flavio) changing every 5 minutes.
But I think that those calling for change at QPR now tend to think of an external appointment - but then struggle to name that appointment who could make the required difference.
I would love to hear from those on this board who want change what their view of Eustace as a replacement for Warburton would be.
I think he would be odds on favourite IMHO.

I am not in favour of a change but if it did happen Eustace is as good as any other name I have seen mentioned. However as he is already the assistant how much different would his approach be to what we already have. He obviously has some of his own ideas but if he is as good as people think he would already be influencing Warburton and the team. I therefore think it would be change for little or no benefit and I would insist he gives up his international appointment. Running QPR is enough without having the manager disappear every international break when he has teh opportunity to work with the club players on the training ground between the hectic league schedules.

Another part of the equation for next season will be the mid season break for the World Cup which I think will also co-incide with a transfer window (not sure on that), plus the Nations Cup games in June where Eustace would be with Ireland if they progress.

[Macmoish]

I would doubt we'd give it to Eustace. That would seem to me to be more of a midseason "Caretaker" (again) and then see. But if we're really looking
in the Summer; would think go elsewhere (G-d know where!) Ainsworth - if they're trying to do short "Crowd pleasing" (a la the Ian Holloway appointment.)
Not even I would advocate the return of Neil Warnock (unless we were struggling at the foot of the table)

[Marc]

[stylecouncillor]

Mar 25, 2022 11:59:23 GMT Marc said:

Well at least Charlie still believes good to see especially as I would guess he was one of the " unhappy dressing roomers" if that is the case.

[egranger]

Mar 22, 2022 9:59:41 GMT harr said:

Mar 22, 2022 7:23:45 GMT hitmanrangers said:

Let’s see how we respond after international break. We probably need 6 wins from 8 which is a tall order given current form and our remaining fixtures. Assuming Dykes gets fit we need to go for it and play 2 upfront and leave Chair or Willock on the bench. If we do go up then the summer will be interesting gives us a chance to improve squad by selling 2 or 3 players and reinvesting. Expect the owners to make a quick decision on whether Warbo stays so we can make those sales and signings quickly post season. This is an ageing team that lacks youth, enthusiasm and pace that needs addressing in the summer.

6 wins from eight when we have just managed 2 wins from 10 against Peterboro, Hull,Cardiff, Barnsley.
As much as I love QPR, It kills me to say it but it’s not gonna happen.

But the point is we have a chance - it's been a brilliant season - we get behind MW for the next eight games and see where it takes us. All this negativity does no one any good. MW has done a brilliant job and deserves some loyalty. Utterly ridiculous talk of letting him go when he does an outstanding job on a limited budget. I hope to see a full house for the Fulham game & a crowd getting 100% behind the team come what may.

[londonranger]

We are a poor team. We wont make the playoffs, nor should we. We've gone countless years finishing mid table. If thats what the Club brass want, as a fan, I have no power than to just follow but for me at a distance and getting less interested.

losing to Barnsley Peterboro endlessly and other awful teams as Harles lists is thoroly depressing. QPR Quite Poor Really.