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Post by Marc on Feb 19, 2020 16:34:16 GMT
Great news!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 19, 2020 17:55:27 GMT
Excellent, Keep Eze too and at least we will have a base on which to build.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 19, 2020 19:34:02 GMT
A real test of whether you are a 'glass half full' or a 'glass half empty'. Half Empty:- This is not real news. We have always held the options to extend and would be mad not to. This is not as a result of a negotiation or a commitment from the players concerned. However, it says that new contract discussions are continuing, why have they not been signed? It just means that we have assets to sell in the Summer for real money. Beyond the Summer, the fee we will receive will diminish unless they sign new contracts. Half Full Great news, we have secured two fine talents and have several months to secure new contracts before the window re-opens. There is every chance that we will be entertained by these two promising youngsters next season. By delaying the new contracts until the Summer, we save FFP funds from our Year 3 FFP cashflow. The plan is working, securing young talent with contract options that the club controls. My Take On It This is all about timing. Contract re-negotiations have probably been progressing pretty slowly. The club could not commit until they were confident of what league we will be playing in next season. Likewise, the players need to know what division we will be in next year. So only superficial discussions establishing and managing expectations. We are not safe, but much safer after last Saturday. So now, negotiations on new contracts can start to move forward and how better a way than a PR statement that we have activated the options. Negotiations can then step up with every point we edge towards 50. If there is no meeting of the minds then they will be sold in the Summer - probably with Eze as well. So all to play for - not good news or bad news as yet - just Hoos/Ferdinand managing the process, the timings and the PR feelgood.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 19, 2020 21:03:00 GMT
Yes we do struggle but these two players could make the struggle a lot happier.
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Post by sharky on Feb 20, 2020 0:43:46 GMT
From the Offie www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/manning-and-osayi-samuel-contracts-extended/Manning and Osayi-Samuel contracts extendedPaul Morrissey @pjmorrissey77 QPR have exercised the option to extend the deals of Ryan Manning and Bright Osayi-Samuel, meaning the pair are now contracted at the club until the summer of 2021. Manning, 23, moved to QPR from Galway United as an 18-year-old and he has made 82 appearances in all competitions since his arrival, scoring five goals. He agreed a new three-year deal in 2017. Exercising the option to extend the deals of Ryan and Bright is recognition of how well they have done. LES FERDINANDOsayi-Samuel, 22, signed a three-year contract when he joined the R’s from Blackpool in the same year. The pacey winger has made 80 appearances for Rangers to date, scoring ten goals. Director of Football Les Ferdinand told http://www.qpr.co.uk: “Exercising the option to extend the deals of Ryan and Bright is recognition of how well they have done for us over the past three years. “They have both worked incredibly hard to become important members of Mark Warburton’s squad, and as such they are valuable assets to QPR. “When you are signing young players the contracts need to be long enough to protect the club while not too long that they can potentially take away their incentive to progress. “The extra one-year option which we have triggered gives us that ability to do both. “We will be continuing discussions with Ryan and Bright as we look to extend their deals further.”
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 20, 2020 10:41:43 GMT
Spot on Ricky.
Have to say I'm a little more in the glass half empty camp this morning - disappointed we've had to 'force' the contract extensions, rather than agreeing new, longer contracts with both players.
Suspect a summer sale at Loftus Road...
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Post by harr on Feb 20, 2020 11:56:40 GMT
Will be very surprised to Eze , BOS and Manning here come 1st September. Hopefully the rest that we want we can retain. This will at least give us funds for a Forward and Defender or two. Eze 15 - 20 Million, BOS 8 - 10 Million are the minimums I would want us to at least consider, no on the cheap deals . If we got 25-30 Million for these two, I would be really gutted as I was when Wells and Scowen went but we are where we are and this is sadly the way forward at the minute. Where’s the FFP Sucks emoji when you want it...
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Post by bowranger on Feb 20, 2020 12:36:36 GMT
Broadly agree with Ricky's take on it.
I'd also chuck in that it's worth bearing in mind the position of Manning and BOS (and their agents) in these kind of negotiations. No matter how happy both of them are at QPR, you've got to assume a natural motivation to earn as much as possible (balanced with happiness/game time) and the opportunity to play at the highest standard they possibly can.
In their position, no matter how happy they are and no matter what clubs have been sniffing around, there's no reason for them to sign for a longer period of time...yet. They know we want them, hence the contract negotiations. They also would have known the club was going to execute their right for a year extension. They'd also have a decent idea of the wage package on offer - cos even ignoring any concerns over where we're playing football next season, the chances are that we're going to be in the Championship and we're going to be operating under our wage structure. There may be some flex there, but find it hard to believe that most of the cards are not already on the table in terms of weekly wages.
Assuming they're both happy, they've got that additional year already in the bag and we get a positive PR bump off that. Meanwhile, Hoos and Ferdinand have been very open about how everyone is effectively for sale, for the right price. With a year left on their deal, they'd still be more than affordable for Prem clubs (or indeed, much of the upper Championship clubs) who may fancy them - Manning and BOS will know that as long as the offer doesn't take the piss, we won't stand in their way. And much as many fans don't like that, showing that we're a club that will develop you and not stand in the way of your progression to another club (do right by them, do right by us) is a positive for recruitment. Ironically, our willingness to sell when the deal is right is another good factor for attracting the next crop of young, talented players. A motivated, ambitious young player likes the look of a club where players play regularly and 'graduate' to better things.
So why sign anything extra? If they sign an additional extension, it cuts down their potential for better moves come Summer. If we start looking class next season, and they're both playing well, then those contract debates can open again. If I was them, even if I was really happy, I wouldn't bother to sign anything. There's months of football left to impress and a Summer of transfer business to assess.
Short version is obviously, ideal world, I'd love them (and Eze) tied down on affordable wages for multiple years. But the current deal leaves us setup not to be ripped off in Summer, while leaving the door open for BOS, Manning and the club to reassess their value once more if they don't get sold come summer. Like Harr, I'd assume all three may well be gone come September. Or at least two of them.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 20, 2020 12:52:30 GMT
Broadly agree with Ricky's take on it. I'd also chuck in that it's worth bearing in mind the position of Manning and BOS (and their agents) in these kind of negotiations. No matter how happy both of them are at QPR, you've got to assume a natural motivation to earn as much as possible (balanced with happiness/game time) and the opportunity to play at the highest standard they possibly can. In their position, no matter how happy they are and no matter what clubs have been sniffing around, there's no reason for them to sign for a longer period of time...yet. They know we want them, hence the contract negotiations. They also would have known the club was going to execute their right for a year extension. They'd also have a decent idea of the wage package on offer - cos even ignoring any concerns over where we're playing football next season, the chances are that we're going to be in the Championship and we're going to be operating under our wage structure. There may be some flex there, but find it hard to believe that most of the cards are not already on the table in terms of weekly wages. Assuming they're both happy, they've got that additional year already in the bag and we get a positive PR bump off that. Meanwhile, Hoos and Ferdinand have been very open about how everyone is effectively for sale, for the right price. With a year left on their deal, they'd still be more than affordable for Prem clubs (or indeed, much of the upper Championship clubs) who may fancy them - Manning and BOS will know that as long as the offer doesn't take the piss, we won't stand in their way. And much as many fans don't like that, showing that we're a club that will develop you and not stand in the way of your progression to another club (do right by them, do right by us) is a positive for recruitment. Ironically, our willingness to sell when the deal is right is another good factor for attracting the next crop of young, talented players. A motivated, ambitious young player likes the look of a club where players play regularly and 'graduate' to better things. So why sign anything extra? If they sign an additional extension, it cuts down their potential for better moves come Summer. If we start looking class next season, and they're both playing well, then those contract debates can open again. If I was them, even if I was really happy, I wouldn't bother to sign anything. There's months of football left to impress and a Summer of transfer business to assess. Short version is obviously, ideal world, I'd love them (and Eze) tied down on affordable wages for multiple years. But the current deal leaves us setup not to be ripped off in Summer, while leaving the door open for BOS, Manning and the club to reassess their value once more if they don't get sold come summer. Like Harr, I'd assume all three may well be gone come September. Or at least two of them. Yes, the players hold all the power. The better they play, the less likely they are to sign new contracts I guess. Shades of Nahki Wells with the club trying to sell the message that they have tried their best to secure these signatures but we have our constraints etc.
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Post by bowranger on Feb 20, 2020 13:05:47 GMT
Broadly agree with Ricky's take on it. I'd also chuck in that it's worth bearing in mind the position of Manning and BOS (and their agents) in these kind of negotiations. No matter how happy both of them are at QPR, you've got to assume a natural motivation to earn as much as possible (balanced with happiness/game time) and the opportunity to play at the highest standard they possibly can. In their position, no matter how happy they are and no matter what clubs have been sniffing around, there's no reason for them to sign for a longer period of time...yet. They know we want them, hence the contract negotiations. They also would have known the club was going to execute their right for a year extension. They'd also have a decent idea of the wage package on offer - cos even ignoring any concerns over where we're playing football next season, the chances are that we're going to be in the Championship and we're going to be operating under our wage structure. There may be some flex there, but find it hard to believe that most of the cards are not already on the table in terms of weekly wages. Assuming they're both happy, they've got that additional year already in the bag and we get a positive PR bump off that. Meanwhile, Hoos and Ferdinand have been very open about how everyone is effectively for sale, for the right price. With a year left on their deal, they'd still be more than affordable for Prem clubs (or indeed, much of the upper Championship clubs) who may fancy them - Manning and BOS will know that as long as the offer doesn't take the piss, we won't stand in their way. And much as many fans don't like that, showing that we're a club that will develop you and not stand in the way of your progression to another club (do right by them, do right by us) is a positive for recruitment. Ironically, our willingness to sell when the deal is right is another good factor for attracting the next crop of young, talented players. A motivated, ambitious young player likes the look of a club where players play regularly and 'graduate' to better things. So why sign anything extra? If they sign an additional extension, it cuts down their potential for better moves come Summer. If we start looking class next season, and they're both playing well, then those contract debates can open again. If I was them, even if I was really happy, I wouldn't bother to sign anything. There's months of football left to impress and a Summer of transfer business to assess. Short version is obviously, ideal world, I'd love them (and Eze) tied down on affordable wages for multiple years. But the current deal leaves us setup not to be ripped off in Summer, while leaving the door open for BOS, Manning and the club to reassess their value once more if they don't get sold come summer. Like Harr, I'd assume all three may well be gone come September. Or at least two of them. Yes, the players hold all the power. The better they play, the less likely they are to sign new contracts I guess. Shades of Nahki Wells with the club trying to sell the message that they have tried their best to secure these signatures but we have our constraints etc. For sure. I think for me it's just about balancing any conclusions fans draw with the natural motivations of our players. It's fair for people to be concerned with the implication that we've exercised this extension precisely because contract negotiations have not currently borne fruit. We don't know what's going on in the players' heads, but my argument is, even if they're really happy at QPR, why limit your options? With a contract in place until next Summer, some limited unknowns about our end of the season and the likelihood of offers come Summer, there isn't any motivation for players to lock themselves down. Agree there's shades of Wells there and the announcement is a little cynical in PR terms. But considering what they get from the fanbase, it's hard to begrudge them.
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Post by sharky on Feb 20, 2020 23:45:07 GMT
For me BOS and Eze, if they keep up at their current level, could play at a higher level but I believe Manning has reached the highest level he will play at and is your average Championship level player at the moment. Not sure we'd get much for him selling him and not sure that his pay package would be out of our league so I don't see him leaving.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 20, 2021 9:46:57 GMT
Year flashback
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