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Post by londonranger on Dec 22, 2019 17:36:19 GMT
.Still would be nice. Me hinks we need it.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 22, 2019 18:53:18 GMT
Dont think we will and personally, I'd like to keep it that way!
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Post by harr on Dec 22, 2019 20:45:13 GMT
VAR, what a load of old rubbish as far as I am concerned, they can keep it. Should just be using goal line technology only.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 23, 2019 21:52:00 GMT
Agree Harlow. Watched Spurs Chelsea and Son given a yellow and then VAR decided it was a red card. Actually Son accidentally touched scum player with foot. Never a red-card. Now, he has to miss the entire holiday season. He's a great player. Of course they can appeal it Spurs. Doubt it will work.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 26, 2019 1:39:15 GMT
You do NOT want VAR. it slows the game and momentum right down. Goal line cameras = YES, VAR = NO.
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Post by rickyqpr on Dec 29, 2019 10:18:40 GMT
VAR For years the suggestion of technology was frowned upon because it would mean that top level football would differ from the grass roots game. However, goal line technology was introduced with great success and the difference commenced. Then it gets rolled out to VAR and the difference from grass roots soccer could not be more extreme. But there are many elements to the near disaster that we now have. I watched the Norwich / Spurs game live. The Pukki ‘goal’ was a superb strike and it marked the end of a woeful Tottenham first half performance. 3 points for Norwich it seemed. Then VAR is called for. The TV commentators and directors have a lot to answer for here though. I thought live the ‘goal’ was a great strike and that he came from behind the defender. Looking at the replay, I could not understand why they kept showing that he was behind the defender. I thought surely the issue is that he ran back from off-side? In the Championship, Refs apply that rule relentlessly to the point that it becomes ridiculous at times. That rule is crazy and needs reviewing, but it is the rule. The application of the rule varies enormously - how long does the player have to be back behind the line for him to count as on-side? So, the first point is, are we all working to the same rules and do we understand them? The second point is the time it takes to get a decision as the VAR tries to calculate the smallest of margins, just because it can. Do we need this exact science at the cost of slowing and killing the moment? Players no longer celebrate the initial goal and the fans now experience 2 reactions to a possible major event in a game. Paul Merson of a Saturday afternoon goes on and on about this. Think he is usually a complete plank about most things, but I think he has a point here. Why so long for something so obvious? The third point is consistency. We know that Refs all vary in their interpretation of the rules with some far more strict than others. But surely, a set of strict guidelines and maybe two making the decision back at Stockley Park could help. My fourth point is that technology aids Rugby and Cricket – but we have made it a hindrance to football and as M o f D concluded last night, it is ruining the game. Why is that? Would not take much to fix it, but I am not very confident that the powers that be will do it. It used to be all about the Ref. Now it is mores about the VAR of the day. Quite relieved that we do not have it in the Championship – but it will come………….
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Post by harr on Dec 29, 2019 11:06:10 GMT
I watched the Palace Highlights last night VAR robbed them of a legitimate goal again, it wants scrapping......
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Post by bowranger on Dec 29, 2019 20:01:51 GMT
So, the first point is, are we all working to the same rules and do we understand them? The second point is the time it takes to get a decision as the VAR tries to calculate the smallest of margins, just because it can. Do we need this exact science at the cost of slowing and killing the moment? Players no longer celebrate the initial goal and the fans now experience 2 reactions to a possible major event in a game. I think that's the part that annoys me most about it and gets to the heart of what we want watching football to be about. Firstly, it's about the spirit of how rules like that are applied. The offside rule to me is about strikers not having an unfair advantage. It isn't to make defenders' jobs harder and it isn't about microscopic permutations of someone's toe being ahead of someone else's - let alone when it is based on a frame of footage that is captured slower than the pace of the game in real time. And secondly, marginal decisions in real time being decided upon by human beings on the ground is part of the essence of football to me. I've said it in an earlier thread and understand that people will disagree, but a degree of controversy is part of the game to me. As Ricky questions, does the delay, disruption and focus on refereeing as an exact science outweigh potentially getting every call bang on? To me, no. And I hammer refs all the time, but I'd rather a few debatable calls get missed if it means we don't completely screw up the ebb and flow we love so much about the live game. You could counter that if VAR removed controversy...but it clearly doesn't. MOTD pour over and debate the VAR decisions just like they poured over live refereeing decisions. Goal line tech is instant and binary. The rest is largely debatable and still open to interpretation. And that interpretation takes ages, makes mugs of people in the stadium and still gets plenty wrong. With my tinfoil hat on, I suspect that it has a lot more to do with bumping up the viewing experience for people watching on TV. It adds value to not going to matches, as streaming audiences get all the analysis and debate in real time while fans in the stadium sit around like lemons, not knowing what on earth is going on. Fortunately I don't think the Championship has the desire or TV audience share to justify implementing it, but of course, I could be very wrong on that. Just hope I'm right.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 30, 2019 14:25:24 GMT
See some prem games. Offside rules on VAR really micro clinical. Elbow off side, ankle offside. They need to clean the whole thing up Teams celebrating goals then have to decelebrate. Takes joy out of game. At least with our refs, some lousy ones true, we know whats right and what isn't.
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