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Post by bowranger on Sept 26, 2018 13:21:56 GMT
That's why I think the critique of the players (gave them a chance and they didn't produce) is not fair. Like Clive points out, BOS has played about 15 minutes of football in four games after ripping Bristol Rovers a new one. Prove yourself and then what? It means nothing.
You can't play all the fringe players and say you're 'giving them a chance' when you're not - that line up was far more a case of 'barely any of you lot are in my plans, the ones I care about haven't travelled'. It's not integration - it's a preferred and not preferred list of players. Most of the latter category played last night despite rarely ever playing together before as a unit, let alone in that shape.
I don't buy it for a second that a good chunk of those players are suddenly somehow now "not good enough" to be around the first team, based on this game. Too easy. Many of them played in the first team or featured off the bench last season as part of a system. They aren't suddenly crap because McClaren chucked an unfamiliar team together. Many of them weren't crap in the previous cup performances. Or to flip it, many of our more experienced players are also crap when we play in the cup, regardless of the manager. Many of them weren't crap last season when we actually cared about integration and development.
To me, for all the poor performances, McClaren pissed this game up the wall and then threw our young and fringe players to the wolves to save his own skin. His reaction for this has genuinely pissed me off more than the result has. QPR lose in the cup all the time, but beyond 'Arry, we don't just lay they blame squarely at the feet of our youngsters.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 26, 2018 13:26:54 GMT
I think teams in previous rounds were stronger. Take Peterborough game for example defence ... 13Lumley 24Kakay 15Baptiste 37Leistner 3Bidwell Your right about point 1 though 75. True - to my mind that was the weakest team we have put out all season and I am not going to single out anyone player - just general c**on the day.
I'm sure some of those younger kids from last night would do ok if there were just a couple of them in the first team surrounded by the experience of the first team players and loans we have brought in. That's why they need to be introduced carefully, not rushed, or couple of disaster performances like last night could destroy their confidence before they get going and it would take them a while to recover unless they are really self confident.
I disagree with bits of your previous post on this, but actually completely agree on this. You use those young and fringe players to supplement the shape and system of the first team, then it makes sense. It builds a culture, it gives us insight into who can cover for who if there's an injury. Nine changes does not do that and as you say, a disaster performance like that with an unfamiliar starting eleven can wreck players' confidence. And then factor in McClaren publicly slating them afterwards. Edit: On the previous point about the low attendance, that's largely down to most Blackpool fans' boycott of all home games while the Oystons are still there, rather than lack of interest. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 26, 2018 13:28:37 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 26, 2018 13:35:48 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 26, 2018 15:38:03 GMT
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/match-verdict-blackpool-in-control-from-start-to-finish-in-cup-upset-against-qpr-1-9368209Match verdict: Blackpool in control from start to finish in cup upset against QPR Blackpool might have made five changes to their side for last night’s League Cup triumph against QPR, but you wouldn’t have noticed. MATCH REPORT: Blackpool 2-0 QPR Neither would you have noticed which side was the Championship outfit, such was Blackpool’s dominance. The Seasiders stamped their authority on the game from the first minute and rarely did they allow their foot to come off the gas. QPR just couldn’t deal with it. Steve McClaren admitted as much in his post-match interview, saying: “We didn’t handle it very well, we didn’t play football and we didn’t earn the right to play.“That’s what Blackpool did – they took the initiative and didn’t relinquish it. We couldn’t get back into the game.” Such was QPR’s surprise at Blackpool’s supremacy, they resorted to churlish tactics. In the first half alone, the Hoops committed 18 fouls. That number totalled 22 at the final whistle, compared to Blackpool’s six.They might have ended the game with 10 men, with Jordan Cousins picking up a second booking with 20 minutes left to play, but they were fortunate not to lose more. Josh Scowen in particular was in a petulant mood, but it was amusing to see him sulk down the tunnel, kicking a bottle in the direction of Terry McPhillips, after being substituted just 25 minutes in having already been fortunate not to pick up a second yellow for a cynical foul on Callum Guy.QPR were playing like a non-league side who couldn’t get near their opponents, so resorted to over-physical, underhand challenges. In fact no, that’s an insult to non-league teams. Blackpool should take it as a compliment, because they really were that good Mark Howard, the main source of Blackpool’s exemplary defensive record so far this season, won’t have an easier night’s work.The keeper barely had a save to make, other than a weak effort that rolled into his midriff. In front of him, Curtis Tilt and Ben Heneghan were utterly dominant against the 6ft 6ins Matt Smith. Heneghan has stood up to the challenge of taking over the mantle from Donervon Daniels, who serves the third game of his suspension on Saturday when Blackpool travel to top-of-the-table Peterborough United.Beside him, Michael Nottingham was in imperious form at right back, catching the eye with his powerful runs down the flank. He’s also a constant threat from set pieces, and I’m not exactly sure what he’s done wrong to find himself on the bench in recent weeks. But such is the strength of Blackpool’s squad, Nottingham won’t be the only one with question marks.The other four to come in on Tuesday - Callum Guy, Joe Dodoo, Ryan McLaughlin and Armand Gnanduillet - all staked a claim for a spot in the first team at London Road on Saturday.You’ve still got the likes of Harry Pritchard, Joe Bunney and Chris Taylor to come back from injury. The same applies for Jimmy Ryan, although he’s not likely to be back any time soon. To be honest though, the centre of midfield isn’t really a concern at the minute. Jay Spearing continues to patrol that area of the pitch with considerable ease, delivering 8 out of 10 displays on a weekly basis.The 29-year-old has taken his game to a whole other level this season, and is now even adding goals to his game. He’s now the club’s joint top scorer alongside Mark Cullen.READ MORE: We couldn't cope with Blackpool's physicality, says QPR boss Steve McClarenAll in all, things are going as smoothly as you could realistically expect them to be for Blackpool. When the Seasiders are winning games in the League Cup - a competition they usually exit at the first round - you know all is well.Eleven games unbeaten, seven clean sheets from 13, three consecutive shutouts - it all makes for great reading.But the biggest test comes this Saturday, when Blackpool’s spotless defensive record away from home comes up against free scoring Peterborough United. Read more at: www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/sport/football/blackpool-fc/match-verdict-blackpool-in-control-from-start-to-finish-in-cup-upset-against-qpr-1-9368209
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Post by harr on Sept 26, 2018 16:57:56 GMT
He screwed up, made to many changes only himself to blame.
If he put 2-3 changes in the team,we might well of progressed but once you make that many changes we rarely ever win a match and to be honest don’t deserve to imo.
Obviously we didn’t want to make the last 16 that much.
If Derby can put a near full 11 out against Man U to try and win a match and get through to last 16, you would think the powers at be at QPR might reckon on doing the same to beat Blackpool.
Nothing ever surprises me with QPR oh so predictable.
Outplayed by the Seasiders.
What a load of old Cockles
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 26, 2018 17:12:34 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 26, 2018 17:27:11 GMT
That's why I think the critique of the players (gave them a chance and they didn't produce) is not fair. Like Clive points out, BOS has played about 15 minutes of football in four games after ripping Bristol Rovers a new one. Prove yourself and then what? It means nothing. Y ou can't play all the fringe players and say you're 'giving them a chance' when you're not - that line up was far more a case of 'barely any of you lot are in my plans, the ones I care about haven't travelled'. It's not integration - it's a preferred and not preferred list of players. Most of the latter category played last night despite rarely ever playing together before as a unit, let alone in that shape.I don't buy it for a second that a good chunk of those players are suddenly somehow now "not good enough" to be around the first team, based on this game. Too easy. Many of them played in the first team or featured off the bench last season as part of a system. They aren't suddenly crap because McClaren chucked an unfamiliar team together. Many of them weren't crap in the previous cup performances. Or to flip it, many of our more experienced players are also crap when we play in the cup, regardless of the manager. Many of them weren't crap last season when we actually cared about integration and development. To me, for all the poor performances, McClaren pissed this game up the wall and then threw our young and fringe players to the wolves to save his own skin. His reaction for this has genuinely pissed me off more than the result has. QPR lose in the cup all the time, but beyond 'Arry, we don't just lay they blame squarely at the feet of our youngsters. I think that is it really. One team /squad for Saturday and the remainder off to Blackpool. As others have pointed out, in earlier rounds, a few seasoned pros (hopefully leaders) supported the fringe players, and this one was away from home as well. But last night, the most any of them could hope for was a subs bench place on Saturday. So no senior players on the bench, Goss and Hall just getting valuable game time and both could have struggled to make the 90 (70 in the case of Goss) so he only had Smythe to bring on to effect change. The manager took the decision not to risk any players due to go to Swansea. Extremely hard on the 500 who went hoping to see a victory or at least a game. But it is that decision that is behind us being hopelessly out classed. I predicted 9 of the team selected, but I also said that the bench should be made up of first teamers in case we needed them. But the manager decided that he did not want that option. |
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Post by nomar on Sept 26, 2018 17:47:01 GMT
Just another day in the life of QPR.
What’s naffed me off more is that this guy never wanted Tiltt when it’s clear he’s a talent at a position we desperately need good young players in.
Mind you, probably better we didn’t sign him as no doubt we’d ruin him too and then still have signed someone like Cameron to take his place.
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Post by rangersman on Sept 26, 2018 19:15:07 GMT
( Marc ) Going into hiding  you plank, be quiet you know nothing. Just because i am not on here everyday you think you know me pmsl jog on . We deserved to lose last night because we were shite and Mc the man was bereft of ideas ie also shite. I will state what i see son if you dont like it ignore it. There is a certain clicky bunch on here who think they run the place, wind your necks in. |
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Post by Marc on Sept 26, 2018 19:32:28 GMT
( Marc ) Going into hiding you plank, be quiet you know nothing. Just because i am not on here everyday you think you know me pmsl jog on . We deserved to lose last night because we were shiteee and Mc the man was bereft of ideas ie also shiteee. I will state what i see son if you dont like it ignore it. There is a certain clicky bunch on here who think they run the place, wind your necks in. So I'm still none the wiser about what my "sort" is and now I'm a plank apparently. As for the rest of your post, I really can't be arsed to try and decipher the unintelligent drivel! *Oh, and the word you're looking for is cliquey. |
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Post by blatantfowl on Sept 26, 2018 19:52:04 GMT
( Marc ) Going into hiding you plank, be quiet you know nothing. Just because i am not on here everyday you think you know me pmsl jog on . We deserved to lose last night because we were shitee and Mc the man was bereft of ideas ie also shitee. I will state what i see son if you dont like it ignore it. There is a certain clicky bunch on here who think they run the place, wind your necks in. What did you think of the win against Millwall last week? |
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Post by kerrins on Sept 27, 2018 9:36:28 GMT
I was at the Bolton fixture where our pass and move style was for the first hour a delight to watch. I also saw the home game against Wigan where we had a good win against an inform side at the time.
What the Hell has been going on in the last 2 matches against Norwich and Blackpool? When we played Norwich we were never in the game. Our Manager says we created chances. Is he having a laugh? Also watching the TV screen when Norwich were passing the ball about in Midfield and in defence with ease there was not a QPR Player in sight. What happened to pressing? Furthermore the pass and move played at Bolton was replaced by hit and hope.
The Blackpool game was a big letdown to say the least. Outplayed throughout. Glad I gave that one the proverbial Spanish Archer.
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Post by egranger on Sept 27, 2018 12:59:47 GMT
The truth is we were outplayed by Norwich because they were a better team than Bolton, Wigan and Millwall.
I expect to see Norwich high up in the Championship...
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Post by harr on Sept 27, 2018 15:36:36 GMT
I was at the Bolton fixture where our pass and move style was for the first hour a delight to watch. I also saw the home game against Wigan where we had a good win against an inform side at the time. What the Hell has been going on in the last 2 matches against Norwich and Blackpool? When we played Norwich we were never in the game. Our Manager says we created chances. Is he having a laugh? Also watching the TV screen when Norwich were passing the ball about in Midfield and in defence with ease there was not a QPR Player in sight. What happened to pressing? Furthermore the pass and move played at Bolton was replaced by hit and hope. The Blackpool game was a big letdown to say the least. Outplayed throughout. Glad I gave that one the proverbial Spanish Archer. Have to agree with all that Kerrins. We set out totally wrong against Norwich ( or they set out correctly against us )and we couldn’t even change it at ht. We were outplayed in both games to me. |
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Post by harr on Sept 27, 2018 15:38:47 GMT
The truth is we were outplayed by Norwich because they were a better team than Bolton, Wigan and Millwall. I expect to see Norwich high up in the Championship... Surely everyone in the League is beatable by everyone, as Birmingham proved Saturday. Norwich are no world beaters, they just outclassed us tactically and SM couldn’t do anything about it. |
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Post by bowranger on Sept 27, 2018 17:29:06 GMT
The truth is we were outplayed by Norwich because they were a better team than Bolton, Wigan and Millwall. I expect to see Norwich high up in the Championship... Surely everyone in the League is beatable by everyone, as Birmingham proved Saturday. Norwich are no world beaters, they just outclassed us tactically and SM couldn’t do anything about it. Yeah, agreed. Not for a second saying Norwich didn't play better than us, they did and deserved the win. But it was the manner of it and the fact we set up in a way that, to me, made little to no sense to combatting a possession-focused Norwich side. We made it far too easy. I can take losses (god knows we are all used to that), but seeing us sabotage ourselves with such a negative shape and set of tactics in a home again was annoying. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Sept 27, 2018 17:47:57 GMT
The truth is we were outplayed by Norwich because they were a better team than Bolton, Wigan and Millwall. I expect to see Norwich high up in the Championship... Surely everyone in the League is beatable by everyone, as Birmingham proved Saturday. Norwich are no world beaters, they just outclassed us tactically and SM couldn’t do anything about it. Yes, crazy league - it still would not surprise me if we beat WBA at home on the 26th January 2019! |
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Post by bowranger on Sept 28, 2018 10:54:52 GMT
Haha yeah, very true. We put a sword through Wolves, Aston Villa and Sheffield United last season and still struggled, after all.
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Post by harr on Sept 29, 2018 20:37:16 GMT
Could have had a game with Arsenal, with SM current team selection, could have been a cricket score.
or was it West Ham
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you plank, be quiet you know nothing. Just because i am not on here everyday you think you know me pmsl jog on . We deserved to lose last night because we were shite and Mc the man was bereft of ideas ie also shite. I will state what i see son if you dont like it ignore it. There is a certain clicky bunch on here who think they run the place, wind your necks in.
