|
|
Post by londonranger on Dec 27, 2016 16:41:36 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by spanishal on Dec 27, 2016 17:39:11 GMT
Looked every bit as dejected as he did in his last post-match interview. The look on the faces of Fernandes, Ferdinand and Ramsey suggests it can't go on much longer. Though they're all just as clueless.
|
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 27, 2016 18:11:00 GMT
And there was there look...... |
|
|
|
Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 27, 2016 20:12:39 GMT
And there lies in the problem, Ramsey still has some influence, Les has not done such a great job with Recuitment and Uncle Tony has been let downnby poor advise from the other two and others. Uncle Tony is not completely innocent but those around him have a true football back ground......but then so have I. I played Fifa Manager for 16 years and could organise and do things better. 4 years ago, I would have thoutht I was joking but now, this lot have given me real belief that I could actually do a better job.
|
|
|
|
Post by terryb on Dec 28, 2016 10:26:08 GMT
: And there lies in the problem, Ramsey still has some influence, Les has not done such a great job with Recuitment and Uncle Tony has been let downnby poor advise from the other two and others. Uncle Tony is not completely innocent but those around him have a true football back ground......but then so have I. I played Fifa Manager for 16 years and could organise and do things better. 4 years ago, I would have thoutht I was joking but now, this lot have given me real belief that I could actually do a better job. While all that may be true the dlevil inside tells me that Many R's "supporters" have got what they deserve. Many of us pleaded for stability, giving JFH time to build a squad and get them playing together. Yet less than half way through the season and 6 points off the play-offs the annual " manager out" clan started again. We were admittedly taking 3 steps forward and 2 steps back but the clamor was to appoint a new manager, one who "knows QPR and its traditions" - as if that makes a good manager. I believe that the decision to replace JFH resulted as much from fan pressure as any footballing reason. Now those fans have the sort of manager who knows QPR and cares about the club. Sadly it is a long time since he has had any success and has been out of the game for a time during which players, tactics training and the game has changed rapidly. Now we see the result -or lack of results. Maybe a record losing run and record scoreless run may wake up those fans to the fact that it would have been better to have a professional manager and players who know what they are doing and take pride in their own performance.  Not one word I can disagree with 57 & said far better than I could have mustered! |
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Dec 28, 2016 10:56:20 GMT
There are always fan views. But voices expressed I don't think were anywhere near a majority. And anyway
what we need in an owner is someone who LISTENS to what fans are saying, but ultimately does what he thinks is best...Not just bend in the wind all the time.. Sometimes he acts too slowly- Think Redknapp...
And I do not believe "THE FANS" were calling for Ramsey's appointment...or his axe or JFH...or Holloway
|
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 28, 2016 11:16:45 GMT
None of the fans were calling for any of these 3 to take us forward at any of those times of appointment.
The first two were poor choices.
I like alot of other fans accepted Ollie at this time, he liike the other two were never anywhere near most of our fans first choices though, far from it and along way down peoples lists.
Yet its now our fault for wanting better, really.
The Club were saying they wanted play offs still few weeks ago, that was there ambition.
So under JFH in a year we were going around in circles, they had to try and make a change.
So Very easy to say they got what they deserve.
What we really deserve is some organisation from the Management at the top all the way down.
There's alot wrong with QPR right now and I dont just mean the players.
|
|
Dufster
Neil Warnock
I say!
Posts: 548 
|
Post by Dufster on Dec 28, 2016 16:13:56 GMT
Cant expalin it but oddly calm about things at the moment and I know DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt!
Admitedly in the past after 6 straight losses I'd b sweating like a Geordie going into a spelling test.
But in Ollie we trust and I have faith he can turns things around.
The picture of TF, CR, LF is interesting though, what are they thinking?
Here we go again?
I told him he was sh1T?
This team are mugging us off?
If they let me stay on as Manager we'd be in the play offs by now?
I do know that as a leadership team they have consistently under performed over the last 2 years!
Would actually like to see Ramsey as part of the coaching team in the dug out (Birch inexperience does make me nervous!)...not sat next to the chairman because that does not look right and undermines the Manager and coaching staff.
Ollie will need their backing in January,I hope its there because.....he has been succesful in the past few years by getting 2 under performing clubs into the play offs and ultimatey promotion.
|
|
|
|
Post by rangersman on Dec 28, 2016 17:48:09 GMT
Doomed i tell ye ,,, doomed i say
|
|
|
|
Post by sharky on Dec 28, 2016 23:09:56 GMT
At least they aren't smiling at our umpteenth defeat like BosingW*nker did!
|
|
|
|
Post by Roller on Dec 29, 2016 7:23:47 GMT
|
|
Dufster
Neil Warnock
I say!
Posts: 548
|
Post by Dufster on Dec 29, 2016 9:15:35 GMT
Thanks Roller, just read it!
Fabulous post, he nails home some of the issues but its a tad generous IMO.
|
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 29, 2016 10:16:07 GMT
So is Ferdinand free of blame for our debacle of two seasons.
Some say if we go down as well as the Managers the players we have brought have not been good enough (Les's remit) or the correct players for this league.
(Too many overseas and not enough already use to this division)
Surely Ferdinand is part accountable if we go down.
|
|
|
|
Post by powerpump on Dec 29, 2016 10:58:44 GMT
What to say?.......
By the way (and thx in advance) does anyone know the last time we lost 6 league games in a row?
|
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 29, 2016 11:30:07 GMT
What to say?....... By the way (and thx in advance) does anyone know the last time we lost 6 league games in a row? 26 years ago apparently .... Although it was the first Division, not the second tier. We lost 8 consecutive matches, 7 in the League and a Cup. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990–91_Football_League_First_Division Queens Park Rangers - 1990 Sat 3rd Nov League Everton 3-0 Queens Park Rangers Sat 10th Nov League Southampton 3-1 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 17th Nov League Queens Park Rangers 1-2 Crystal Palace - Table Sat 24th Nov League Queens Park Rangers 1-3 Arsenal - Table Tue 27th Nov League Cup Queens Park Rangers 0-3 Leeds United - Table Sat 1st Dec League Manchester City 2-1 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 8th Dec League Wimbledon 3-0 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 15th Dec League Queens Park Rangers 1-2 Nottingham Forest |
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 29, 2016 11:50:21 GMT
What to say?....... By the way (and thx in advance) does anyone know the last time we lost 6 league games in a row? 26 years ago apparently .... Although it was the first Division, not the second tier. We lost 8 consecutive matches, 7 in the League and a Cup. However, we did score 5 goals, unlike this rabble. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990–91_Football_League_First_Division Queens Park Rangers - 1990 Sat 3rd Nov League Everton 3-0 Queens Park Rangers Sat 10th Nov League Southampton 3-1 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 17th Nov League Queens Park Rangers 1-2 Crystal Palace - Table Sat 24th Nov League Queens Park Rangers 1-3 Arsenal - Table Tue 27th Nov League Cup Queens Park Rangers 0-3 Leeds United - Table Sat 1st Dec League Manchester City 2-1 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 8th Dec League Wimbledon 3-0 Queens Park Rangers - Table Sat 15th Dec League Queens Park Rangers 1-2 Nottingham Forest |
|
|
|
Post by Roller on Dec 29, 2016 20:56:43 GMT
So is Ferdinand free of blame for our debacle of two seasons. Some say if we go down as well as the Managers the players we have brought have not been good enough (Les's remit) or the correct players for this league. (Too many overseas and not enough already use to this division) Surely Ferdinand is part accountable if we go down. It doesn't say that he is free of blame does it mate, but it does point out that the majority of what we are now suffering from was instigated before his time and that he has taken on a thankless task in trying to sort out our mess. Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp spunked away 250 million pounds, our current recruitment policy is dictated by that. We do now, however, have some players with a resale value, there haven't been many of those in the last few years. Our academy was decimated before his time, he is re-building it. It also questions whether the managerial appointments have been Ferdinand's choices. I suspect that both Ramsey and Holloway were Fernandes' choice; Holloway said that the first contact was made by Fernandes. Ferdinand is battling against FFP and the heightened expectations of the fan base (for which Fernandes must take a significant degree of responsibility) in an era when the patience of many is measured in weeks not months or years. He may not be the greatest Director of Football in the world, but he is trying to do the right job against considerable odds. It also hints at highlighting the ridiculous theory that still holds sway among the QPR fan base that we are just one sacking away from everything coming good. How many times do we have to prove that it doesn't? |
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 29, 2016 21:55:55 GMT
So is Ferdinand free of blame for our debacle of two seasons. Some say if we go down as well as the Managers the players we have brought have not been good enough (Les's remit) or the correct players for this league. (Too many overseas and not enough already use to this division) Surely Ferdinand is part accountable if we go down. It doesn't say that he is free of blame does it mate, but it does point out that the majority of what we are now suffering from was instigated before his time and that he has taken on a thankless task in trying to sort out our mess. Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp spunked away 250 million pounds, our current recruitment policy is dictated by that. We do now, however, have some players with a resale value, there haven't been many of those in the last few years. Our academy was decimated before his time, he is re-building it. It also questions whether the managerial appointments have been Ferdinand's choices. I suspect that both Ramsey and Holloway were Fernandes' choice; Holloway said that the first contact was made by Fernandes. Ferdinand is battling against FFP and the heightened expectations of the fan base (for which Fernandes must take a significant degree of responsibility) in an era when the patience of many is measured in weeks not months or years. He may not be the greatest Director of Football in the world, but he is trying to do the right job against considerable odds. It also hints at highlighting the ridiculous theory that still holds sway among the QPR fan base that we are just one sacking away from everything coming good. How many times do we have to prove that it doesn't? Im not sure who selects the Managers or who refers them Roller, probably mostly the owners etc. I would say Les had a big hand in selecting or putting forward Ramsey as Manager though, that was our first downfall falling from the Prem without getting in a proper Manager to give us half a chance, employong someone who had no clue in Management. (It also hints at highlighting the ridiculous theory that still holds sway among the QPR fan base that we are just one sacking away from everything coming good. How many times do we have to prove that it doesn't?) I agree no it wont help now. We are lost in so many levels apart from just the Manager. Some good posts on that thread though Roller, thank you for posting it. |
|
|
|
Post by powerpump on Dec 30, 2016 4:58:28 GMT
Thank u to harr for answering my question.
Anyway:
Our team really is at a low point and some might say TF ought to have stuck to owning an airline.
As others have observed the priority now and for this season is avoiding relegation.
Will we get in some "new" players perhaps on loan?
Is the answer another management change?
Bring in a "coach" to assist IH?
|
|
|
|
Post by marshbowles10 on Dec 30, 2016 9:44:27 GMT
I fear for Ian Holloway's health and really hope he isn't a heart attack just waiting to happen. Nothing is worth that.
His comments (especially against the Brighton fans) before and after games seems to be one of a man that is tottering on the brink.
Whilst quite often he is seen as a 'funny man' ready with the puns, I'm finding it all a bit sad and genuinely have concerns that mentally the pressure has got to him.
I'm not quite sure what he is saying some times (how on earth do players?)
I really hope I'm wrong, but my fear is that it will be Ian's health that will be the reason for any new manager.
|
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Dec 30, 2016 9:52:26 GMT
Some managers THRIVE on such things - think Neil Warnock. Others don't. Remember how Gerry Francis also
|
|
|
|
Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Dec 30, 2016 10:01:56 GMT
I kind of agree with Marshbowles, but think Ollie has more resilience than crumbling after only 7 games.
He'll bring in some old warhorses on frees, loans or cheap deals in January, and I think he'll pull things round.
My biggest concern is that he may lose the dressing room, and that would be difficult to recover from. I think if things get too bad, Ollie would walk, rather than be pushed.
The Wolves game will be difficult, but I think the losing streak will stop on Monday against Ipswich.
|
|
|
|
Post by terryb on Dec 30, 2016 10:50:14 GMT
Was Ramsey our first downfall?
I'm sure many of us could point to many an error before that move.
Personally, I think this is very low in the order compared to appointing Redknapp to replace Hughes. That was the moment we should have changed our mercenary policy. On & off the pitch.
The chances of avoiding relegation at that time were nearly zero.
TF has made many blunders IMO, but this is his worst!
|
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Dec 30, 2016 11:47:15 GMT
I'd add: Decision to Stick with Redknapp after our Playoff Final success...And then again to stick with Redknapp after the early losses back in Prem... Almost too passive a Chairman....Reactive rather than Proactive
|
|
|
|
Post by marshbowles10 on Dec 30, 2016 12:06:44 GMT
His biggest fault IMO was thinking he knew it all and didn't need anyone with any football knowledge on the Board.
Whilst he has a thankless task and he is easy to criticise, can you imagine if he was the owner of a successful football club (yes I know I'm pushing reality to the boundary)? As the football club was so successful, he decided to buy a low cost airline.......can you imagine him appointing non-aircraft knowledgeable members to his board? Can you imagine him saying.....'well we know all about football, we don't anyone with aircraft management experience?'
That to my mind has been the key reason we are in this mess now.
He allowed Phil Beard to ruin the football club because poor soul he didn't know what he was doing.
Complete and utter madness.
|
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Dec 30, 2016 12:10:06 GMT
I'd add: Decision to Stick with Redknapp after our Playoff Final success...And then again to stick with Redknapp after the early losses back in Prem... Almost too passive a Chairman....Reactive rather than Proactive Why on earth do you think it was a mistake not to sack a manager when you've just won the play-off final? |
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Dec 30, 2016 12:36:57 GMT
Because Redknapp showed little enthusiasm for the job - and spoke as if he was doing QPR a favour; and it was his decision to stay or retire. That's why...While Fernandes merely sent passive messages "I won't stand in his way if wants to move on" etc etc..
|
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Dec 30, 2016 12:43:48 GMT
Because Redknapp showed little enthusiasm for the job - and spoke as if he was doing QPR a favour; and it was his decision to stay or retire. That's why...While Fernandes merely sent passive messages "I won't stand in his way if wants to move on" etc etc.. Lot of supposition and assumption there mac. People do seem to interpret what people say in very odd ways. |
|
Dufster
Neil Warnock
I say!
Posts: 548
|
Post by Dufster on Dec 30, 2016 21:38:21 GMT
When they converted the debt into shares TF was absoleved for mistakes made before that as far as I'mentioned concerned.
That act was a display of accountability and generosity few clubs will ever be the beneficiaries of.
|
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 31, 2016 11:38:09 GMT
Ollie telling us to read his CV and weep.... Umm, maybe should just be getting his head down at the minute. Our old Rory giving an opinion on it..... |
|
