QPR vs Brentford - match thread

[Ashdown_Ranger]

JFH says he's pleased with our last two performances and wants to see 'more imagination' in the final third of the pitch.

Hopefully he'll be a little more relaxed tonight in the knowledge that Pulis has just signed a one year contract extension at West Brom.

The bookies have Brentford as favourites tonight (average across 10 bookies):

Away win: 42%
Home win: 31%
Draw: 27%

Interesting to see that tonight's game is one of the closest local derbies in English football - in fact QPR have 3 in the top 10:

0.26 mile: Notts County - Nottingham Forest
0.59 mile: Everton - Liverpool
1.4 miles: Chelsea - Fulham
1.52 miles: West Ham - Leyton Orient
2.42 miles: QPR - Fulham
2.43 miles: Aston Villa - Birmingham
2.61 miles: QPR - Chelsea
3.11 miles: Sheffield United - Sheffield Wednesday
3.33 miles: Aston Villa - West Brom
3.37 miles: QPR - Brentford

[harr]

Brentford are the favs cos the Bookies have looked at our Home form chart

[bowranger]

Last time was amazing, really hoping for a win tonight. Under the lights, (hopefully) full HQ, could be magic. Head says low scoring score draw, heart says we do them 3-0 again haha.

[Macmoish]

Not so far...o-1

[Lonegunmen]

For F***s Sake!! 2-0 "Fortress Loftus Road, Yeah right Jimmy!!

[Macmoish]

Oops 0-2

[Lonegunmen]

52 F***en years since their last win at Fortress Loftus Road, well done Jimmy!!

[harr]

Keep it short and sweet.
Another poor first half, how many games at home is that.
Certainly not going forwards at the minute under JFH , if this is consolodation I will eat my hat.

Doubtful If we even get the 60 points last year let alone progress and with better players.
I think our defence has been worse this year than last, thought you are supposed to start at the back.

[Lonegunmen]

I thought it was meant to start in the Managers office with a coaching briefing to his assistants informing them of a game plan, a training plan and then going out and making it happen. Jimmy Out!! Fortress Loftus Road - my Arsenal!!

[londonranger]

We seem pretty safe from promotion or relegation. Still, its not even Novenber.

[Macmoish]

Don't count on safety from relegation. These sometimes start gathering steam (Remember how we almost went down - from Magilton to Hart ...Harford - till Warnock saved us

[harr]

Exactly Mac and our home form is dreadful.
Going by social media, JFH probably lost the support of another 2 or 3,000 supporters tonight.
Cant wait for press conference to explain this one.

[harr]

[marshbowles10]

Just got back. That was woeful. The scoreline flattered us, it could easily have been another Newcastle type score.

Play Jack Robinson coming back from long term injury with Washington who never tracks back and wonder why Brentford attacked time and time again on that wing.

Accept that Brentford are quite mobile but they made us look slow and pedestrian and bereft of ideas. We never competed at the same level. Always a yard slower, always second.

What's the answer?

As fans we can call for the BFG but that is in hope, a vain hope that someone can change a clueless team, lead I'm afraid by a clueless manager and supported perhaps by us the clueless fans that still turn up and hope.

I'm hurting.

This is a local derby,

I have Brentford mates.

There's one thing losing.

It's another thing being embarrassed by their performance .........and at 10.47pm on Friday evening that's how I'm feeling, embarrassed that my team, sorry our team and how they can perform in such a spineless, gutless and appalling manner.

[harr]

Deary Me

[harr]

#nail #head

[Deleted]

He has to go but he won't , seems like Fernandes is leaving it all to Ferdinand and co . They can all go , Ferdinand , his mate Ramsey and Jfh !

[Lonegunmen]

You don't mind losing if the team is showing some back bone, trying their arses off and losing to a better side but when they give a limp wristed effort, one has to be peeved off. And where is our invisible leader on the field? when plan A (Not that we have a plan B) does not work, the Captain should be introducing plan B and getting stuck into the team to lift their game.

[hitmanrangers]

That was poor at home (again) last night. We signed Cousins as one of the most promising centre midfielders in the Championship and he moves him to play right back in second half - no idea. Jimmy's constant changing during games (formations and subs) seem to have no cohesion and just chunking on attacking players but lacking shape is like kids football! With some tough games to come, I can't see Jimmy lasting much into December. Could take losing but the way we play is so boring and lacking in ideas. Chery needs a rest as not performing like last season, and is usually the reason why we don't play 4-4-2 with 2 out and out strikers.
I can't see much money being available in January so need an experienced manager to get us going again, and sign two pacey full back who can get up and down the pitch on loan. I would move quickly for Jackett.

[harr]

Tony and the boys will dress it up.


Truth of the matter 42 League games , JFH has won just 12 . 28 % win per cent
Ramsey 28 % win per cent and he managed in the Prem lol, some would say Ramseys football was better to watch than JFH and he was one of our worst.

Going forwards, Na not for me.... more like sideways.

[marshbowles10]

Agree with Lone about Ned, there is a complete lack of captain-ship (is that a word?) from Ned.

It doesn't matter so much when everything is going OK.......but every team that is going through this type of turgid form needs a captain to inspire and motivate those around them.

Ned just looks to feel sorry for himself and that just isn't good enough.

Trouble is, I'm not sure that we have any suitable candidates that can do any better. Perhaps Bidwell has the potential but he seems injury prone.

It's another problem along with a manager that is obviously completely out of his depth, with players that are not capable of even raising their passion for a London derby that there is a complete lack of leadership on the pitch.

I think we have to face it that our club has been built on sand for many, many seasons and even today we are just a vehicle for the current owner to get planning permission to build homes and shops and recoup his investment once the money brokers carve out their commissions and back handers on agreeing where the people of West London will live and shop.

I've been a supporter for 50+ years, a season ticket holder for 30 and after last night question my own sanity in wanting to contribute my pension to these millionaires that can't give a toss.

Still we've got a new badge.

[kerrins]

Oh Dear.....but don't worry Mr Blackadder I have a very cunning plan to rescue the situation. This is a plan so cunning it goes beyond the laws of cunning itself.

Instead of signing any new players in the next transfer window we simply get rid of the entire current squad. This will then leave us with no players at all but in consequence will have removed at a stroke the massive amount of dross put on the clubs books since the summer of 2015.

Thank you Baldrick. You have surpassed yourself. Truly a Zenith of a cunning plan. Its either that or await the arrival of Herr Klopp at the Loftus Rd stadium.

[Bushman]

Oct 29, 2016 8:18:11 GMT hitmanrangers said:

That was poor at home (again) last night. We signed Cousins as one of the most promising centre midfielders in the Championship and he moves him to play right back in second half - no idea. Jimmy's constant changing during games (formations and subs) seem to have no cohesion and just chunking on attacking players but lacking shape is like kids football! With some tough games to come, I can't see Jimmy lasting much into December. Could take losing but the way we play is so boring and lacking in ideas. Chery needs a rest as not performing like last season, and is usually the reason why we don't play 4-4-2 with 2 out and out strikers.
I can't see much money being available in January so need an experienced manager to get us going again, and sign two pacey full back who can get up and down the pitch on loan. I would move quickly for Jackett.

Jacket signed a 3 year deal with Rotherham last week.


The football is as dull as ditchwater.
The clowns fighting in R Block was just as bad

[steveb66]

Not much to add but after a relatively bright starts in each half without actually threatening very much we proceeded to lose our way. Our irritating habit of bypassing midfield with endless hopeful, looping balls or constant head tennis is a recipe for disaster. Second half we lost our shape with the substitutions, we never seem to regroup with our subs, moreover we just look like a disorganised rabble with a Captain that does little to inspire with his lack of confidence on the ball.

I truly wanted JFH to be 'the one' but is it he or Sir Les who is pulling the strings at QPR?

There has certainly been a missing ingredient most of this season, something has to change because the natives are restless, the football mostly dire and one win in seven home games is simply not good enough.

[harr]

Oct 29, 2016 9:44:08 GMT steveb66 said:

Not much to add but after a relatively bright starts in each half without actually threatening very much we proceeded to lose our way. Our irritating habit of bypassing midfield with endless hopeful, looping balls or constant head tennis is a recipe for disaster. Second half we lost our shape with the substitutions, we never seem to regroup with our subs, moreover we just look like a disorganised rabble with a Captain that does little to inspire with his lack of confidence on the ball.

I truly wanted JFH to be 'the one' but is it he or Sir Les who is pulling the strings at QPR?

There has certainly been a missing ingredient most of this season, something has to change because the natives are restless, the football mostly dire and one win in seven home games is simply not good enough.

But surely Steve, Les is not picking the team and its not Les shouting instructions and making the substitutions ?
Im not a big fan of DOF roles but cant see how much of the team performances you can blame on Les.

Bad players yes but get the team motivated, surely thats JFH remit, supposedly.

[Marc]

I must have had a permanent WTF expression on my face whilst watching that game.

Why didn't we start Wzsolek? He's done well when he's played, why does JFH keep starting him on the bench?

Chery's best position is behind the striker, why was he started on the right? He moved into the centre at the beginning of the 2nd half and we improved. Then he brought Polter on and we went to 442 with Chery on the left! Why?? The midfield was then overrun.

Jack Robinson was so out of his depth, felt really sorry for the lad. As for moving cousins to RB when Robinson was subbed, another WTF moment! Hall was on the bench, why not bring him on ad move Ned to RB?

Kerrins, I no yo like to pop up ever now and again and call the players "dross" but I couldn't disagree with you more. We've signed some very good players in the last year or so but they're not being utilised as they should be, quite often, they're not being utilised at all.

[Roller]

I was talking to a couple of mates on the way home last night, one of them summed it up brilliantly for me "JFH's inept tactics are sucking the life out of players and fans".

I agree with Fabs, we have some good players at the club but they are not being allowed to play because Hasselbaink is regularly out thought by the opposing manager and powerless to really effect a change.

[nomar]

I had a migraine last night and forgot this was even on.

Which shows you how much interest I have in this season as currently constituted.

[bowranger]

Think the main part that worried me was seemingly a lack of definitive prep and a game plan. We see teams coming to LR with a plan which sometimes works, sometimes doesn't - but it's definitely there. Often it's nullifying Chery (felt like Brentford tried to do that with Woods). With Brentford, it seemed like they wanted to rely on Hogan worrying our back four with his movement and at first we nullified that quite well with a high line. But then it went to pot. With us though, it seemed like we had a plan to be positive in a 4-3-3 but nothing more - that we were gonna play our way but that we hadn't put anything in place to deal with the specific threats that Brentford had. That felt naive. This game always means more to Brentford than us and they raised their game and we simply did not match it. It wasn't as bad as the home defeat to Fulham but it felt similar - I'm gutted about that.

I don't feel like it was a lack of effort, but it felt like a lack of organisation, quickness and grit. You could see how things were going, how we were being pressed (until later in the second half) and we couldn't cope. On paper, I can get why trying to bypass part of Brentford's midfield made sense in exploiting gaps, but it didn't work and we did not adapt. As Roller rightly says, we have a good core of players here but we got out-thought.

Felt awful for Robinson. Partly cos he's clearly rusty and got thrust into a big game - he knows he can do better than that and that must be frustrating. But he wasn't helped by people around him - so often he'd collect the ball, get pressed quickly and he just wasn't given an option from midfield - I saw him screaming at Luongo about that. Makes me realise how much we miss Bidwell - consistent, vocal, calming and hard.

Borysiuk was a rare positive. I disagree with some others here on Washington, who I thought worked hard. But overall, it was poor. A team came to LR fired up and very well organised and we didn't match them for intensity, movement, speed or tactics.

For what it's worth, I still don't feel panicked, just sad. We look inconsistent and a work in progress and as crap as I feel after last night, I'm ok with that because it's what I expected from this season and feel we probably need to take our medicine. I won't dwell on it cos I've written about it plenty on here before but RE a DoF, I feel like that's a role we've been screaming out for for years considering our boardroom and whilst I'm not happy with how we are on the pitch yet, I still feel like we are moving in the right direction as a club. I still feel like as a fanbase we take more serious information from losses than we do from the wins, but that's understandable after losing a derby game cos they simply hurt more and we care.

[Marc]

Oct 29, 2016 11:53:02 GMT nomar said:

I had a migraine last night and forgot this was even on.

You lucky bastard! (I speak as someone who suffers from migraines)