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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 12:54:09 GMT
Will Sandro play or be on the bench. We'll know in 5 mins
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 13:01:03 GMT
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 13:02:28 GMT
No Sandro. Sylla starts in preference to Polter and Washington. Interesting!
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 13:04:13 GMT
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Post by rangersman on Sept 24, 2016 13:34:04 GMT
Once again no Sandro , what the hell is wrong with JFH
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Post by tom007 on Sept 24, 2016 14:16:47 GMT
clueless , if he actually wanted to get rid play him and let someone see him
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Post by rangerjake on Sept 24, 2016 14:37:27 GMT
0-1 ffs
If we had scored we would have given up the equalizer before I could even finish this post.
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Post by Marc on Sept 24, 2016 14:39:58 GMT
Caulker equalises!
1-1
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Post by rangersman on Sept 24, 2016 14:40:04 GMT
He is a joke as a manager , good player but useless as a manager .
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 14:49:06 GMT
1-1 HT, Could have been worse. Can we get a winner in the 2nd half? I hope so.
COME ON UUUURRRRRRRssssssssss!!!!!!!!
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 14:57:41 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/half-time-qpr-1-birmingham-1-caulker-hauls-ropey-rangers-level?Half-time: QPR 1 Birmingham 1 – Caulker hauls ropey Rangers levelBy David McIntyre 24/09/2016 Steven Caulker hauled QPR level at Loftus Road after Lukas Jutkiewicz’s 23rd-minute goal had put the visitors ahead. Caulker headed home Tjaronn Chery’s right-wing corner six minutes before half-time. It was a much-needed boost for Rangers, who have struggled to create clear-cut chances and had been punished for another defensive lapse. Jacques Maghoma’s left-wing cross was headed back across goal by Michael Morrison at the far post and the unmarked Jutkiewicz had the simple task of scoring from close range. The goal came shortly after striker Jutkiewicz had been denied by keeper Alex Smithies after drifting in behind Grant Hall. Earlier, Jordan Cousins fired over with keeper Adam Legzdins to beat after Hall’s long ball had been nodded on by Idrissa Sylla. Rangers were dealt a blow when Cousins limped off injured on the quarter-hour mark – and worse followed for them when Birmingham took the lead, before Caulker netted his second goal of the season. But Rangers switched off again and were unlucky not to concede just before the break when Maghoma’s left-wing corner was blazed over by Morrison. Striker Sylla and Polish midfielder Ariel Borysiuk are making their first league starts for the R’s. |
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Post by rangerjake on Sept 24, 2016 15:22:43 GMT
Sounds like we're getting some chances, but no end product.
We'll be punished for that. Guaranteed.
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Post by rangerjake on Sept 24, 2016 15:35:58 GMT
Has Luongo ever scored for us?
He finds the back of the net regularly for the socceroos.
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 15:52:19 GMT
1-1 FT. Better than a loss and it's against a team in the top 6.
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 15:52:51 GMT
Has Luongo ever scored for us? He finds the back of the net regularly for the socceroos. No |
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 16:05:00 GMT
Fakes beat Huddersfield. Has their bubble burst?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 18:06:51 GMT
10 points dropped at home , not really a fortress is it . The polish boys played well today , but Jfh will probably drop them for Burton game , I know Caulker scored but he is such a poor defender , would like to see Lynch instead . If we lose to Burton and then succumb to our annual annihilation at Fulham I think that will be that for JFH !
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 24, 2016 18:20:11 GMT
Not sure why people are so disappointed having drawn with a side who were 4th before today's game - should we have such big expectations this season?
Our signings have been largely lower league, bargain basement youngsters on grounds of financial necessity.
We 'hope', because they're young and hungry, they'll develop and improve to a high Championship, or even Premiership level. But statistically, most of them probably won't.
JFH is a manager in the same category - relatively new in his managerial career and (hopefully) developing and improving himself.
The whole lot of them, players and manager, have to grow together, and it's not going to happen overnight.
Which is why, going back to a different thread, I think bringing Shteeve would be a good thing - I believe he can help accelerate that process.
Mind you, it's probably just paper-talk with very little substance...
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Post by harr on Sept 24, 2016 18:42:29 GMT
A better display, problem really Ashdown is 2 points from 12 at home in last four matches, this wont get us anywhere near the playoffs.
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Post by terryb on Sept 24, 2016 19:22:58 GMT
A far better performance & we deserved to win.
The two Poles made a big difference. Both should be automatic starters.
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2016 19:27:15 GMT
Not sure why people are so disappointed having drawn with a side who were 4th before today's game - should we have such big expectations this season? Our signings have been largely lower league, bargain basement youngsters on grounds of financial necessity. We 'hope', because they're young and hungry, they'll develop and improve to a high Championship, or even Premiership level. But statistically, most of them probably won't. JFH is a manager in the same category - relatively new in his managerial career and (hopefully) developing and improving himself. The whole lot of them, players and manager, have to grow together, and it's not going to happen overnight. Which is why, going back to a different thread, I think bringing Shteeve would be a good thing - I believe he can help accelerate that process. Mind you, it's probably just paper-talk with very little substance... Occasionally, these days, a post like this comes along that actually is rational and makes sense. |
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Post by steveb66 on Sept 24, 2016 20:48:51 GMT
I have to you agree with you Ashdown. Really disappointed that fans are calling for Jimmy's head, I am convinced that this team and he as a Manager will improve collectively, given time.
I thought we looked much more lively second half and Wszolek looked like he has mproved already in just a couple of games. We still need to do certain things better, sharpen up our passing and move the ball quicker but as JFH said if we can repeat that level of performance we will get results.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 24, 2016 22:46:56 GMT
A far better performance & we deserved to win. The two Poles made a big difference. Both should be automatic starters. Does that make them poles apart? tadabooosh. |
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Post by sharky on Sept 25, 2016 12:05:24 GMT
Not sure why people are so disappointed having drawn with a side who were 4th before today's game - should we have such big expectations this season? Our signings have been largely lower league, bargain basement youngsters on grounds of financial necessity. We 'hope', because they're young and hungry, they'll develop and improve to a high Championship, or even Premiership level. But statistically, most of them probably won't. JFH is a manager in the same category - relatively new in his managerial career and (hopefully) developing and improving himself. The whole lot of them, players and manager, have to grow together, and it's not going to happen overnight. Which is why, going back to a different thread, I think bringing Shteeve would be a good thing - I believe he can help accelerate that process. Mind you, it's probably just paper-talk with very little substance... Most sensible realistic post I have read on here for some time.
Just to emphasis the point I cannot agree that anyone should be calling for JFH's head. We should have learnt by now that the knee jerk hire them and fire them routine does not work and just takes us 2 steps backwards after making one forward.
Look around the league table and the results where anyone can and will beat anyone else - and look at Nigel Pearson's Derby. Time to get real and understand where we are now and that it will take some considerable time to try to get back to where most of us want to be. I expect the arguments that JFH has had "time" and has signed his own players. But the time he has had is really a spec of sand in terms of the time it takes to build a successful club and team, and how much time or better still how many games has he had since he completed the last few signings at the end of August.
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Post by Roller on Sept 25, 2016 19:56:52 GMT
A match which showed a distinct improvement by both team and manager, started with more than a little disquiet when we mulled over the team selection down the pub. I guess we should have become accustomed to trying to guess who will be playing in what position and without detailed knowledge of the players’ fitness we probably shouldn’t jump to conclusions, but it did look like yet another case of shoe-horning the supposedly better players into a team. Jordan Cousins’ unfortunate injury did go some way to addressing the inherent weakness in JFH’s selection and offer a far better balance to our team (as identified by Terry before Cousins had even left the pitch), but did little to improve our performance at the time.
I don’t think that any of our defenders covered themselves in glory in conceding the opening goal. It is easy to say that Onuoha was too far from their player out wide, but this was immediately in the aftermath of a corner and so the players’ positions are determined more by who or which space they are marking as opposed to their standard starting positions. Caulker raced out but was never going to get there and left a gaping hole in defence. Hall was beaten to easily in the air and the ball headed back into the space Caulker had vacated. A collective failure which was equalled up by Birmingham’s poor marking allowing Caulker a free header to level the match.
There was little optimism in the back row of the Upper Loft at half time and I think that we must be thankful to the referee for an abysmally poor performance. As the sense of injustice after a series of bad decisions went against us grew in the stands the supporters started to really get behind the team. Whether it was that or their own sense of injustice or because of the increased support, the team started to click. Borysiuk started to dominated the midfield and hopefully, in the process, kill all of the “Why isn’t Sandro starting” nonsense; Borysiuk is more mobile than Sandro, tackles better than Sandro and can play for 90 minutes. I’m expecting some inconsistency in his performances otherwise he’d be playing for a better team than us, but our scouts deserve credit for identifying him.
With Borysiuk claiming total control in the middle of the pitch, we were able to push forwards quicker and start to release the wingers; Wszolek in particular thrived on the improved service. I’m struggling to remember the last winger we had who could not only roast his fullback but then also supply threatening crosses. After being less than convinced by him previously, he was a revelation, unfortunately I can’t see any mention of an option to buy him in the press release announcing his signing, I hope that there is one.
The ultimate shock arrived when Shodipo was replaced by Polter; I’m sure that is JFH’s first non like-for-like substitution. Borysiuk’s dominance allowed him to go to 4-4-2 which further geed up the crowd. I wouldn’t say that it was especially successful with Sylla and Polter getting in each other’s way, even though Polter often dropped back into more of a 4-4-1-1 with Chery pushed out wide despite Hasselbaink previously stating on the podcast that he reluctant to play him out there.
While far from a complete performance and several players were below their best, it was a considerable improvement on recent visits to W12 despite coming up short in our attempts to force a winner. An argument could be made that this was the first occasion that Hasselbaink felt confident enough in the performance of our spine to actually play more offensively. Luongo looked impressive and Sylla is better at holding up the ball and laying it back to our midfielders than Polter. Several failings are still glaringly obvious, but we need to understand that knowing the problems doesn’t necessarily mean that they can be fixed overnight. We have to understand the constraints that we are operating under which, for one example, explain why we failed to sign a right back over the summer – while we all know that we needed one, but there were other more pressing demands on our limited budget.
I’m still far from convinced about Hasselbaink, but he cannot be as clueless as some would suggest. Perhaps we will see a more attacking and progressive side of him if Borysiuk repeats this performance on a regular basis.
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Post by harr on Sept 25, 2016 20:59:49 GMT
We need a win, improvements are a good sign but its easy to improve on some really dreadful displays. Anything less than 3 points this week again Burton and we are still dropping down the table. A loss would put us in the bottom 6 so pressure is on, whatever TF tweets. We have played some weak teams and a few decent ones, a good mix for 9 games but 1.2 points a game gives you 56 points, less than last year. Form table last 6 games www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:6/type:home-and-away |
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Post by bowranger on Sept 27, 2016 13:11:03 GMT
Thought it was an incomplete but pretty strong, improved performance. Roller pretty much covers it, really. Having some threat on the wings is exciting, too. Love how Sandro not being on the bench is being seen as proof of JFH being clueless, considering he played for most of the Sunderland game and has, ever since his time at Spurs, only ever managed to play 1 in 3 games on average. So even if we ignore all the reasons why integrating him back into the regular 11 is problematic (no less so because he literally cannot play regularly), there's just as much reason to presume that he couldn't actually manage to play as opposed to him being frozen out. Playing players to put them in the shop window barely ever works and Sandro already put himself in the shop window with his independent doctor news story and cup performances. Brute fact is that no-one seriously came in for him other than Porto, because he's a difficult punt to take on very, very high wages and a poor fitness record. Remember when we put Watson in the shop window and Wigan came in for him? He turned into an absolute shadow of a footballer.
I think it's absolutely embarrassing calling for the manager's head at this point, considering the experiences of the last few years. Ashdown has it pretty much nailed on in terms of where we are at the moment - the risks we are taking, the position we're in, the investments we are attempting to make in terms of personnel.
I'm not a happy clapper but it's proper tiresome seeing fans trying to just needle on every single thing and twist it as negatively as possible, like it's relished. Improved performance? Only because the others were crap, so no credit given there. How about the fact that bouncing back from an abysmal 0-6 defeat and throwing away the lead in the cup takes a lot of guts and motivation? The Newcastle game was unacceptable so we have to expect a turnaround and we saw that. The confidence of those players must have been in absolute bits but they can only play the team put in front of them and they rose to the challenge pretty well. So - losing to Preston and not beating Blackburn, we get hammered over the head with the fact that they were in the bottom three. But we put in a decent performance against a team who are fourth in the league and there's no credit given for that at all. Just inconsistent.
Umming that the "pressure is on" because losing a game that we havn't even played yet would put us in the bottom 6 (what's the bottom 6, is that the new relegation zone?) whilst still in September is not a statement of fact, it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'm not fully convinced by JFH either (for the reasons Ashdown puts out there - he's developing, could be fantastic, could be poor, could be somewhere in the middle) but speculating on pressure after 9 games with a very different squad is the very thing that creates the pressure in the first place.
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