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Post by QPR Report on Jun 4, 2009 7:21:55 GMT
Already the posts are out: Back the manager. Suddenly perceiving some great virtues whereas 24 hours ago, he was deeply flawed....Etc, etc.
Optimism is good. Backing the manager and hoping he succeeds is self-evident.
But of course the problem with all our recent managers has not come from the fans. Decisions have been made by Briatore et al.
So we could all love what Magilton is doing. But if Briatore says, go. He's gone.
And we could all hate what Magilton is doing. But if Briatore says,
stay, he stays.
You have to wonder what comes next: How much we're going to spend this summer (Doesn't sound like much). Who's going to be buying (Despite the "Manager" title). Whether Briatore is changing.
And the fact that we appoint Magilton, shows how far we've come (downwards) in the 21 months since Briatore took over. Yes we've progressed, and financially better off. But in our attractiveness to other managers to come QPR: I'd say we gone down, down, down.
Oh: And there's not going to be any silly "Don't discuss. Back the manager" on this site!
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jun 4, 2009 7:33:18 GMT
I posted before yesterday before the appointment:
Re: WTF Wednesday!
« Reply #2 Yesterday at 8:02am »
I hate those 'lets back the manager' posts especially as most tend to come from the same idiots that campaigned for the sacking of Dowie and Sousa.
None of us need to be told to get behind our team/back the manager WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT ALL OUR LIFE regardless of the tracksuit in the dugout.
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Post by QPR Report on Jun 4, 2009 7:52:02 GMT
I don't think managers suddenly change. The qualities and flaws Magilton displayed at Ipswich will be seen at QPR. Only at QPR with Briatore and Paladini involved, there will be more pressure and more external involvement. Now theoretically if you like the Briatore/Paladini involvement, that's actually a plus!
Could go back and really "research" what was said and done and opinions re Ipswich. But that's probably not worthwhile doing, since whatever find, it's all moot now.
More interesting is: What do Briatore and Ecclestone and Bhatia truly want and expect for QPR? Because it's far from likely that we'll make the playoffs this season - ESPECIALLY if Briatore hasn't learned to keep away from the playing side of QPR. And especially if we really don't "invest" in additional players for the club. If they want promotion, they have to help Magilton by giving him resources. With enough resources, you don't have to be a great manager to get us promoted.
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Post by cpr on Jun 4, 2009 8:02:38 GMT
In the announcement of Magilton's appointment Paladini did not warrant a mention in his involvement of the selection process.
In Magilton's interview on World his involvement was obviously markedly different to the statement.
Also in the statement, I cannot, for the life of me, every imagine Briatore using the words "stand out candidate", just thought I'd mention that. ;D
Magilton said the things one expect from an incoming manager, I quite like him already and hope he can get the players playing the way he says he wants them playing. If he does that could make a massive difference for me, it's about exciting football and being entertained.
We've hardly set the world alight over the years as b eing "winners" anyway so I would just like the team return to a proper footballing philosophy first.
As zed and indeed everyone will point out, we do not need some muppets to try telling us what to do in terms of supporting our club, we all know how to do that. The idiosy of the telling comes from the fact that the muppets themselves know they themselves cannot be trusted to support their team properly and assume that's true of everyone alse.
Which it patently is not.
I thank you.
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Post by QPR Report on Jun 4, 2009 8:45:50 GMT
There's an intangible in a managerial appointment just as a boost or otherwise to players' confidence....Bet the Ipswich players EXPECT promotion under Keane cos he's a winner. And players will want to come to Ipswich. The reverse is true at QPR now. That's obviously not the be all and end all. But I think it's a terrible appointment. (Yes there could have been worse. But could have been a lot better)
Managers talk the talk; but do they walk the walk. They ALL sound good (when you can understand them!) They all sound like they know what they're doing...
And as I tried to note yesterday, the very fact that it's "Failed Magilton" rather than "Intimidator Keane" or "G-d Venables" makes it more likely that Briatore will try to be "involved" early in the process. Because he'll fell Magilton "owes" him rather than we owe the managaer.
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Post by Markqpr on Jun 4, 2009 9:05:52 GMT
In the announcement of Magilton's appointment Paladini did not warrant a mention in his involvement of the selection process. In Magilton's interview on World his involvement was obviously markedly different to the statement. Also in the statement, I cannot, for the life of me, every imagine Briatore using the words "stand out candidate", just thought I'd mention that. ;D Magilton said the things one expect from an incoming manager, I quite like him already and hope he can get the players playing the way he says he wants them playing. If he does that could make a massive difference for me, it's about exciting football and being entertained. We've hardly set the world alight over the years as b eing "winners" anyway so I would just like the team return to a proper footballing philosophy first. As zed and indeed everyone will point out, we do not need some muppets to try telling us what to do in terms of supporting our club, we all know how to do that. The idiosy of the telling comes from the fact that the muppets themselves know they themselves cannot be trusted to support their team properly and assume that's true of everyone alse. Which it patently is not. I thank you. No sir, thank-you for saving me the time of typing out a post. That said it all for me. Especially getting back to playing decent football, I want to leave Loftus Road with my head held high, regardless of the result.  |
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Post by ingham on Jun 4, 2009 9:32:10 GMT
The whole 'backing the manager' concept is flawed. We'll back him for as long as he doesn't need it, while he's winning, when his job here is secure, and he'll have a job anywhere else because our rivals will be falling over themselves to land the new 'nine days' wonder'.
As soon as failure sets in, job options vanish, and we don't want to know.
We're doomed to dispose of managers for failure until we dispose of the idea that the team's incompetence, the Board's lack of know-how, and the Club's lack of resources is somehow the manager's fault.
The finances are the natural corrective to all this nonsense.
Pay the manager according to what he achieves, but more especially, what he earns, for the Club. If he turns out to be a winner, he can be paid as a winner then. Until he does, he's just a bloke in a tracksuit who knows how to shout. Pay him accordingly.
On that basis, the Club can make a profit based on what it actually IS, and not ongoing losses based on what the Board conspicuously AREN'T - shrewd, talented, intelligent, knowledgeable, decisive, well-informed, creative, resolute, realistic, thoughtful, perceptive ...
Even under Gregory, the Club built, went up, peaked (very briefly), collapsed, and started again.
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