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Post by egranger on May 23, 2015 14:36:44 GMT
I have missed the news about Kevin Bond - is he staying for next season?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:19:16 GMT
Can't believe he was kept on anyway , FFS Tony get rid , you've lumbered us with Ramsey at least do the right thing here !!
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 15:21:25 GMT
What exactly has Bond done wrong?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 23, 2015 16:25:58 GMT
Hopefully not.
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Post by timewaster on May 23, 2015 16:40:19 GMT
What exactly has Bond done wrong? It is not a case of what he has done wrong It is a case of what he has done right
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 16:56:41 GMT
What exactly has Bond done wrong? It is not a case of what he has done wrong It is a case of what he has done right Either way, we don't know. But silly to call for someone to be sacked when we don't actually know whether his contribution was positive or negative. Smacks of looking for a scapegoat to me
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Post by superckat on May 23, 2015 17:53:37 GMT
For me it's s case of what has he actually done. Because he doesn't really seem to do anything.
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 18:00:31 GMT
For me it's s case of what has he actually done. Because he doesn't really seem to do anything. How do you know?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:53:59 GMT
Guilty by association ?
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 19:30:43 GMT
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Post by superckat on May 23, 2015 19:46:42 GMT
For me it's s case of what has he actually done. Because he doesn't really seem to do anything. How do you know? That's my point. I don't. Does anybody? The players talk about the difference Ramsay's made since he took over. When you see training sessions you often see Ransay taking them. No visibility of what Bond does. Also when Arry left wasn't it supposed to be joint caretaker management between Bond and Ramsay? If's not a case of what has he done wrong. It's what has he done. If you know I'd love to hear it.
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 20:00:09 GMT
That's my point. I don't. Does anybody? The players talk about the difference Ramsay's made since he took over. When you see training sessions you often see Ransay taking them. No visibility of what Bond does. Also when Arry left wasn't it supposed to be joint caretaker management between Bond and Ramsay? If's not a case of what has he done wrong. It's what has he done. If you know I'd love to hear it. Just because it isn't shown on camera or shouted from the roof tops, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Of course video footage of training sessions are going to concentrate on Ramsey, he's the one in the limelight. There are o-ther co-aches as well, are they shown in all the video sessions?
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Post by superckat on May 23, 2015 20:13:41 GMT
That's my point. I don't. Does anybody? The players talk about the difference Ramsay's made since he took over. When you see training sessions you often see Ransay taking them. No visibility of what Bond does. Also when Arry left wasn't it supposed to be joint caretaker management between Bond and Ramsay? If's not a case of what has he done wrong. It's what has he done. If you know I'd love to hear it. Just because it isn't shown on camera or shouted from the roof tops, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Of course video footage of training sessions are going to concentrate on Ramsey, he's the one in the limelight. There are o-ther co-aches as well, are they shown in all the video sessions? So I'm guessing you don't know what he does either. That's my point. You're defending something but you don't know why or what you're defending. So I'll ask again and remember I'm asking not attacking. What has he done? Do you know?
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 21:05:54 GMT
Just because it isn't shown on camera or shouted from the roof tops, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Of course video footage of training sessions are going to concentrate on Ramsey, he's the one in the limelight. There are o-ther co-aches as well, are they shown in all the video sessions? So I'm guessing you don't know what he does either. That's my point. You're defending something but you don't know why or what you're defending. So I'll ask again and remember I'm asking not attacking. What has he done? Do you know? I'm not defending anyone, I just don't get why people keep inferring that he hasn't done anything when they don't know if he has or hasn't. People seem to want to judge people based on no more than assumptions. Do you think he'd still be employed by the club if he was spending his days sitting on the touchline at the training ground, reading a newspaper?
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Post by superckat on May 23, 2015 21:25:17 GMT
So I'm guessing you don't know what he does either. That's my point. You're defending something but you don't know why or what you're defending. So I'll ask again and remember I'm asking not attacking. What has he done? Do you know? I'm not defending anyone, I just don't get why people keep inferring that he hasn't done anything when they don't know if he has or hasn't. People seem to want to judge people based on no more than assumptions. Do you think he'd still be employed by the club if he was spending his days sitting on the touchline at the training ground, reading a newspaper? This is QPR we're talking about so cannot in all honestly an answer of yes to your last question isn't that surprising. Remember we had Redknapp Jordan, Hoddle and Bond. Yet apparently training was better and stepped up when 3 of those left and the 1 still remaining isn't even mentioned. So do I think the club pays and keeps on people who aren't pulling their weight. Yes. Those 3 weren't kicked out. They left. I'll guess we'll see how much Bond is valued if he's still around at the beginning of the season.
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Post by Marc on May 23, 2015 21:47:09 GMT
I'm not defending anyone, I just don't get why people keep inferring that he hasn't done anything when they don't know if he has or hasn't. People seem to want to judge people based on no more than assumptions. Do you think he'd still be employed by the club if he was spending his days sitting on the touchline at the training ground, reading a newspaper? This is QPR we're talking about so cannot in all honestly an answer of yes to your last question isn't that surprising. Remember we had Redknapp Jordan, Hoddle and Bond. Yet apparently training was better and stepped up when 3 of those left and the 1 still remaining isn't even mentioned. So do I think the club pays and keeps on people who aren't pulling their weight. Yes. Those 3 weren't kicked out. They left. I'll guess we'll see how much Bond is valued if he's still around at the beginning of the season. How many other coaches are mentioned, why are people fixated on Bond? Why assume he isn't contributing just because you haven't seen it happening? A lot happens on a daily basis in a football club that we don't see or hear about.
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Post by superckat on May 23, 2015 22:29:15 GMT
This is QPR we're talking about so cannot in all honestly an answer of yes to your last question isn't that surprising. Remember we had Redknapp Jordan, Hoddle and Bond. Yet apparently training was better and stepped up when 3 of those left and the 1 still remaining isn't even mentioned. So do I think the club pays and keeps on people who aren't pulling their weight. Yes. Those 3 weren't kicked out. They left. I'll guess we'll see how much Bond is valued if he's still around at the beginning of the season. How many other coaches are mentioned, why are people fixated on Bond? Why assume he isn't contributing just because you haven't seen it happening? A lot happens on a daily basis in a football club that we don't see or hear about. You're missing the point. I haven't assumed anything I'm asking what has he done. But your point seems to be That you also can't see what he's done. You have no idea what he's done. You cant say what he's done. But he must be doing something because stuff happens that we can't see. I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much. Training videos, player interviews. You seem to have 1 point that you're flogging like a dead horse in that we can't see what he's doing so he could be doing something. How is that any different to saying we can't see what he's doing so he can't be doing much? You're trying to defend something when you don't actually have a defense
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Post by londonranger on May 23, 2015 23:26:23 GMT
Besides, we all have the right to think what we want about Kevin Bond, and express it here..
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Post by timewaster on May 23, 2015 23:42:42 GMT
Besides, we all have the right to think what we want about Kevin Bond, and express it here.. Ok london, he is a useless ****
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2015 0:26:37 GMT
The last of the people whom helped drag us ddown, that's what he was partly responsible Fabs. The 4 Muskateers will have been banished. and if you think he is good, then pray tell us all. After all,n Ramsey inherited their mistakes and he stayed on and things did not improve. As a result I have to say his input is negligible and not worth the money we are paying him. Now is a chance for Chris Ramsey to sell us his coaching team and set up his way and sign his players.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 2:42:10 GMT
How many other coaches are mentioned, why are people fixated on Bond? Why assume he isn't contributing just because you haven't seen it happening? A lot happens on a daily basis in a football club that we don't see or hear about. You're missing the point. I haven't assumed anything I'm asking what has he done. But your point seems to be That you also can't see what he's done. You have no idea what he's done. You cant say what he's done. But he must be doing something because stuff happens that we can't see. I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much. Training videos, player interviews. You seem to have 1 point that you're flogging like a dead horse in that we can't see what he's doing so he could be doing something. How is that any different to saying we can't see what he's doing so he can't be doing much? You're trying to defend something when you don't actually have a defense Training videos? Player interviews? In what world do these give any insight into what he does/doesn't do? "I haven't assumed anything" "I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much" Talk about contradicting yourself!
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 2:44:34 GMT
Besides, we all have the right to think what we want about Kevin Bond, and express it here.. Do you think you have the right to say what you like about anyone without backing it up?
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 2:48:27 GMT
The last of the people whom helped drag us ddown, that's what he was partly responsible Fabs. The 4 Muskateers will have been banished. and if you think he is good, then pray tell us all. After all,n Ramsey inherited their mistakes and he stayed on and things did not improve. As a result I have to say his input is negligible and not worth the money we are paying him. Now is a chance for Chris Ramsey to sell us his coaching team and set up his way and sign his players. I've never said he was good or bad, all I've done here is try to ascertain why people think he hasn't done much and all I'm getting is assumptions because people haven't seen anything with their own eyes despite that fact that what he does do doesn't generally happen in front of us in the 1st place.
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Post by superckat on May 24, 2015 7:21:48 GMT
You're missing the point. I haven't assumed anything I'm asking what has he done. But your point seems to be That you also can't see what he's done. You have no idea what he's done. You cant say what he's done. But he must be doing something because stuff happens that we can't see. I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much. Training videos, player interviews. You seem to have 1 point that you're flogging like a dead horse in that we can't see what he's doing so he could be doing something. How is that any different to saying we can't see what he's doing so he can't be doing much? You're trying to defend something when you don't actually have a defense Training videos? Player interviews? In what world do these give any insight into what he does/doesn't do? "I haven't assumed anything" "I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much" Talk about contradicting yourself! Explain your comment as I haven't contradicted myself. I haven't assumed anything as I've said "it appears" which isn't an assumption no conclusion has been drawn. But your ideology seems to be based on if you can't see it's not happening then it must be. Therefore your whole argument is flawed, unbalanced and without foundation so not really surprised why you come to that conclusion. So actually don't try to explain as to be honest you've not been able to explain anything during this whole discussion and I can't see that changing now. It's clear we don't agree, So I'm happy to agree to disagree and make this my last comment on the subject as we're just repeating ourselves and I fear we have both probably bored everyone to death over this.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2015 7:37:12 GMT
The last of the people whom helped drag us ddown, that's what he was partly responsible Fabs. The 4 Muskateers will have been banished. and if you think he is good, then pray tell us all. After all,n Ramsey inherited their mistakes and he stayed on and things did not improve. As a result I have to say his input is negligible and not worth the money we are paying him. Now is a chance for Chris Ramsey to sell us his coaching team and set up his way and sign his players. I've never said he was good or bad, all I've done here is try to ascertain why people think he hasn't done much and all I'm getting is assumptions because people haven't seen anything with their own eyes despite that fact that what he does do doesn't generally happen in front of us in the 1st place. And I asked for your opinion on him. That is all. Opnions are like arseholes, everyone has one.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 9:13:01 GMT
Training videos? Player interviews? In what world do these give any insight into what he does/doesn't do? "I haven't assumed anything" "I've explained more than once why it appears he's not doing much" Talk about contradicting yourself! Explain your comment as I haven't contradicted myself. I haven't assumed anything as I've said "it appears" which isn't an assumption no conclusion has been drawn. But your ideology seems to be based on if you can't see it's not happening then it must be. Therefore your whole argument is flawed, unbalanced and without foundation so not really surprised why you come to that conclusion. So actually don't try to explain as to be honest you've not been able to explain anything during this whole discussion and I can't see that changing now. It's clear we don't agree, So I'm happy to agree to disagree and make this my last comment on the subject as we're just repeating ourselves and I fear we have both probably bored everyone to death over this. In the contexst of this thread, "it appears" can be interpreted as drawing a conclusion which, without any facts (of which we have none), can only be based on assumption. Not sure where I've even intimated that "he must be". I've said on more than one occasion that I don't know either way.
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 9:15:19 GMT
I've never said he was good or bad, all I've done here is try to ascertain why people think he hasn't done much and all I'm getting is assumptions because people haven't seen anything with their own eyes despite that fact that what he does do doesn't generally happen in front of us in the 1st place. And I asked for your opinion on him. That is all. Opnions are like arseholes, everyone has one. Opinions have to be based on known facts otherwise they're just assumptions.
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Post by Macmoish on May 24, 2015 9:24:34 GMT
So maybe Joe Jordan should have been kept on as well
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Post by Marc on May 24, 2015 9:28:49 GMT
So maybe Joe Jordan should have been kept on as well Why?
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Post by blatantfowl on May 24, 2015 9:30:57 GMT
Kevin is guilty by association. He was brought in by Harry and I believe it is rational to question his capability when he was a contributing part of a coaching team that was perceived as failing.
If Ramsey sees him as offering something then he can retain him if he wants to.
It is quite regular that an entire coaching team is swept away so there is no need to to justify an opinion that Bond should have gone as well . It's not as if his future depends on this thread.
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