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Post by Macmoish on Jan 4, 2015 11:06:09 GMT
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 4, 2015 11:28:21 GMT
Its little bit mealy mouthed that. It sound like the respective agencies are gearing up for the blame game here. If Air Asia didn't have permission to fly the route why were they given permission to use the flight plan they would have to have logged with control a long time pre flight. Control logs the flight plan so each aircraft gets its own corridor and can fly safely. Requests for plan changes in flight are usually quite safe because the corridors have a large element of safety built in. Emergencies, bad weather etc can be dealt with accordingly. As far as I'm aware you cant just start the plane and fly off where you want regardless of co operative international flight plans - like over Europe (if the French aren't on strike). Perhaps the warning that this airline is not allowed to fly this day was not apparent when the flight plan was logged. It points I suppose to a system of control which has a few holes in it. None of that helps the poor people on the flight and I suppose in the end it will come down to the 'fact' that if they hadn't of flown on the 'wrong' day they would all still be alive.
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 4, 2015 12:20:35 GMT
If this indeed proven can they not be proscecuted for Corporate Manslaughter ,if this happens it could cost them millions in compensation ,and maybe could having their permits being revoked ,i bet Fernandes is hoping this is not true ,because the possibity of it I would think is frightening , anyway have to wait and see what happens and what the Indonesian Minister has to say on Monday They haven't had their permits for EU very long either. They were banned from EU airspace until 2010 as they couldn't/wouldn't meet safety standards (not the only airline from that area by any means). The Airbus has a good safety standard but of course has to have a competent and regular flight maintenance programme to keep the safety standard (this was where Air Asia was failing). This can and will get quite dark. One of my mates used to do a part time job as international courier. Basically he carried personal documents anywhere in the world door to door for corporates or rich people and did an awful lot of hours in the air. This is hearsay but one of the areas that concerned him when he flying was the refusal of 'western' airlines to allow some other airlines to carry out anything but the most basic of maintenance procedures. Aircraft engines that needed maintenance were bought back for repair rather than allow those airlines to get anywhere near them. As with all aircraft tragedies there will be a lot of speculation before any sort of answers can be found by accident investigators. At least here there isn't another country putting obstacles in the way of attempting to get at the truth.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 6, 2015 9:38:11 GMT
Independent AirAsia QZ8501: mentions of crash being removed from Wikipedia sites Little to no mention of crash on related pages, and new edits swiftly deleted Andrew Griffin Monday 05 January 2015 References to the crash of the AirAsia plane QZ8501 are being removed Wikipedia, leading to very little information on the airlineās page or those associated with it. There is only one reference to QZ8501 on AirAsiaās main page ā one sentence as part of the description of the airlineās fleet. An edit was created describing incidents on the airlineās flights, including QZ8501 as well as a plane that overshot the runway just days after that crash, but was swiftly removed. The users that delete the references to the crash commonly reference the pageās convention that information on AirAsia affiliates, such as the Indonesian airline, is kept to a minimum. AirAsia is based in Malaysia, and the crashed plane was being operated by Indonesia AirAsia, a part of the airlineās affiliate group. But clicking through to the page for Indonesia AirAsia also shows little information on the crash. The crash is described in a small part of the page, low down, under the header āIncidents and accidentsā. But the top of the page makes no mention of the crash, instead describing the airlineās success. The page does feature flattering information on the airlineās safety record ā including the fact that it is commended by the Indonesia Civil Aviation Authority for its safety ā and its domination of the local market. The crash does have its own page, titled āIndonesia AirAsia Flight 8501ā, which is linked to by the AirAsia Indonesia page, as well as showing up early in Google searches for related pages. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/airasia-qz8501-mentions-of-crash-being-removed-from-wikipedia-sites-9957800.html
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 6, 2015 14:39:10 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 9, 2015 14:47:58 GMT
@tonyfernandes From a guest. Have flown twice AA since to show my support, now boarding QZ 206 to KL. The airline is better than ever, and the staff are wonderful; there is a heightened sense of duty; although the smiles are scares, the level of service is excellent. Cynthia ushered me through the red carpet impeccably tonight. Thanks you Tony for having created a greater family for both your staff and your passengers. 2015-01-09
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 10, 2015 9:51:11 GMT
Be interesting to learn the cause but people still need to travel. I would travel on them if I had the money and they came to NZ.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 10, 2015 10:03:56 GMT
I think I'd travel on them, but I'd want to know more. There are some airlines I wouldnt travel on!
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jan 10, 2015 12:25:00 GMT
Be interesting to learn the cause but people still need to travel. I would travel on them if I had the money and they came to NZ. Well I have no qualms. I am flying with AirAsia in August to Bali with my family. Perth to Bali return, with a weeks accommodation, including breakfast, $500au.
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Post by Bushman on Jan 10, 2015 13:31:34 GMT
Be interesting to learn the cause but people still need to travel. I would travel on them if I had the money and they came to NZ. Well I have no qualms. I am flying with AirAsia in August to Bali with my family. Perth to Bali return, with a weeks accommodation, including breakfast, $500au. I was in Costa Del Oz last Sept,starting to get a bit pricey grub, booze etc!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 10, 2015 13:55:26 GMT
Just check your Boogie Board when you arrive in bali Blue.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 11, 2015 14:11:59 GMT
Black box supposedly found (just not yet recovered) Sad photo
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Post by sharky on Jan 12, 2015 16:19:49 GMT
One of the Black Boxes now recovered.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 20, 2015 9:29:20 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 21, 2015 8:04:50 GMT
Looking at Air Asia Wikipedia site, still edits but no idea if anything like before. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirAsiaReferences to the Crash are directed to a different wikipedia page "For the plane crash, see Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia_AirAsia_Flight_8501 (where not a single reference to Tony Fernandes) Independent AirAsia QZ8501: mentions of crash being removed from Wikipedia sites Little to no mention of crash on related pages, and new edits swiftly deleted Andrew Griffin Monday 05 January 2015 References to the crash of the AirAsia plane QZ8501 are being removed Wikipedia, leading to very little information on the airlineās page or those associated with it. There is only one reference to QZ8501 on AirAsiaās main page ā one sentence as part of the description of the airlineās fleet. An edit was created describing incidents on the airlineās flights, including QZ8501 as well as a plane that overshot the runway just days after that crash, but was swiftly removed. The users that delete the references to the crash commonly reference the pageās convention that information on AirAsia affiliates, such as the Indonesian airline, is kept to a minimum. AirAsia is based in Malaysia, and the crashed plane was being operated by Indonesia AirAsia, a part of the airlineās affiliate group. But clicking through to the page for Indonesia AirAsia also shows little information on the crash. The crash is described in a small part of the page, low down, under the header āIncidents and accidentsā. But the top of the page makes no mention of the crash, instead describing the airlineās success. The page does feature flattering information on the airlineās safety record ā including the fact that it is commended by the Indonesia Civil Aviation Authority for its safety ā and its domination of the local market. The crash does have its own page, titled āIndonesia AirAsia Flight 8501ā, which is linked to by the AirAsia Indonesia page, as well as showing up early in Google searches for related pages. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/airasia-qz8501-mentions-of-crash-being-removed-from-wikipedia-sites-9957800.html
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jan 21, 2015 9:00:47 GMT
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 21, 2015 9:25:38 GMT
Independent AirAsia QZ8501: mentions of crash being removed from Wikipedia sites Little to no mention of crash on related pages, and new edits swiftly deleted Andrew Griffin Monday 05 January 2015 References to the crash of the AirAsia plane QZ8501 are being removed Wikipedia, leading to very little information on the airlineās page or those associated with it. There is only one reference to QZ8501 on AirAsiaās main page ā one sentence as part of the description of the airlineās fleet. An edit was created describing incidents on the airlineās flights, including QZ8501 as well as a plane that overshot the runway just days after that crash, but was swiftly removed. The users that delete the references to the crash commonly reference the pageās convention that information on AirAsia affiliates, such as the Indonesian airline, is kept to a minimum. AirAsia is based in Malaysia, and the crashed plane was being operated by Indonesia AirAsia, a part of the airlineās affiliate group. But clicking through to the page for Indonesia AirAsia also shows little information on the crash. The crash is described in a small part of the page, low down, under the header āIncidents and accidentsā. But the top of the page makes no mention of the crash, instead describing the airlineās success. The page does feature flattering information on the airlineās safety record ā including the fact that it is commended by the Indonesia Civil Aviation Authority for its safety ā and its domination of the local market. The crash does have its own page, titled āIndonesia AirAsia Flight 8501ā, which is linked to by the AirAsia Indonesia page, as well as showing up early in Google searches for related pages. www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/airasia-qz8501-mentions-of-crash-being-removed-from-wikipedia-sites-9957800.htmlThe Indonesia Civil Aviation Authority may well have commended the airline on its safety, but they did this despite the EU refusing to allow Air Asia to fly over European skies (because they didn't meet EU safety standards). Air Asia met the standard in 2010. However the Indonesian authority continue to pass as 'safe' sixty four other Indonesian airlines which have been banned from European airspace. Their endorsement may not be all that it's cracked up to be.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jan 21, 2015 13:14:08 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 22, 2015 7:49:41 GMT
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes Ā· 1h 1 hour ago I believe 6 of our guests have been evacuated from the hull. This is so important to all of us at Airasia so ... tmi.me/1eXjn5 Nothing more important that finding all our guests and crew to their loved ones. I really really hope weather ... tmi.me/1eXjng
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 22, 2015 23:50:03 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2015 6:56:55 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 24, 2015 0:59:36 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 26, 2015 7:11:16 GMT
The Science Channel on Tuesday press release: AIRASIA 8501: ANATOMY OF A CRASH, PREMIERES ON SCIENCE CHANNEL TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH AT 10PM ET/PT Science Channel investigates one of the most perplexing airplane disasters in recent history with the US Premiere of AIRASIA 8501: ANATOMY OF A CRASH. This fateful event culminated on December 28th, 2014 when AirAsia flight 8501 and its 155 passengers and seven crew members were lost in a storm, 40 minutes into its journey from Indonesia to Singapore. Comparing and contrasting the story of this flight with aviation tragedies of the recent past such as Air France flight 447 and Malaysia Airlines flight 370, this in-depth documentary will examine the impact of the Earthās increasingly severe weather conditions on the aviation industry. It will also question whether so-called āsuper stormsā are becoming more frequent and severe, while looking at the cutting-edge technology currently being developed to prevent future tragedies. AIRASIA 8501: ANATOMY OF A CRASH airs Tuesday, April 28 at 10pm ET/PT on Science Channel. For the first time, computer-generated animation will breakdown radar data from the final moments of flight 370, while world-leading meteorologists will use weather data from the day of the accident to look at the effects of the storm on one of the worldās safest planes, the Airbus. The special will also demonstrate the consequences of a mid-air stall, performed in a light aircraft by an experienced test pilot, explaining how such an occurrence could have been a factor in flight 8501ās final moments. In a world that depends more and more on airplanes to get us from point A to point B, it is crucial to develop safer technologies to ensure safe passage. AIRASIA 8501 interviews scientists and aviation experts who are optimistic that with more advanced technology and understanding of the Earthās weather patterns, we can continue to build safer planes. tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/04/24/airasia-8501-anatomy-of-a-crash-premieres-on-science-channel-tuesday-april-28th-at-10pm/393980/
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