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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 19, 2014 20:47:28 GMT
I'm only putting this out there for discussion and to see how people feel about maybe dropping Charlie Austin to the bench. His work rate is unquestionable but to be honest I'm starting to feel "AT THE MOMENT" he's struggling to score at this level. He seems to me to want too many touches before getting his shot away and at this level your just not going to be given that privilege. You can get away with that in the Championship but the defenders are quicker and of a much higher quality in the Premier League.
This could all be irrelevant as looked like Zamora picked up a knock on his ankle today!!!!
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Post by harr on Oct 19, 2014 20:53:24 GMT
I wouldn't drop him . I think he can score goals at this level . Get the defence right first . That's one of the main reasons we are 20th
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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 19, 2014 21:01:19 GMT
I wouldn't drop him . I think he can score goals at this level . Get the defence right first . That's one of the main reasons we are 20th Agree about defence but my question was not about the team or anything else that is going on at the club and I am not blaming Charlie Austin in anyway for our position in the league but with Vargas getting 2 today and Zamora playing so well something has to give!!!!
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Post by kilburnhoop on Oct 19, 2014 21:01:32 GMT
Needs to be dropped, he would have been taken off today but harry knew bobby would break down at some point, ( a bit like pouring gin into a woman). He is costing us points.
Massive step up for him though and could not ask any more from him.
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Post by harr on Oct 19, 2014 21:05:48 GMT
I wouldn't drop him . I think he can score goals at this level . Get the defence right first . That's one of the main reasons we are 20th Agree about defence but my question was not about the team or anything else that is going on at the club and I am not blaming Charlie Austin in anyway for our position in the league but with Vargas getting 2 today and Zamora playing so well something has to give!!!! I like Vargas . We looked great with two up top. Maybe see how long Bobby is out . Vargas and Austin if he has problem .
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Post by timewaster on Oct 19, 2014 21:27:33 GMT
Play Austin and Vargas One of them has a bad first half then we have Bobby to bring on Bobby played well but we never scored while he was on the pitch
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 19, 2014 21:31:27 GMT
Play Austin and Vargas One of them has a bad first half then we have Bobby to bring on Bobby played well but we never scored while he was on the pitch We should've done!
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Post by harr on Oct 20, 2014 6:59:17 GMT
Play Austin and Vargas One of them has a bad first half then we have Bobby to bring on Bobby played well but we never scored while he was on the pitch We should've done! Good to have you posting on here again Jon
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Post by kenthoop on Oct 20, 2014 7:20:54 GMT
no i would not drop Charlie whenever he plays he is so committed to the cause , his work rate is phenomenal . brings so much to the team it is not onl what he does on the ball but off the ball , he played well yesterday alongside booby z and lets not forget it was his knock down that allowed us to score , for me i think he is quite capable of scoring at this level , he could have scored had it not been for a fantastic save from Mignolet so to single him out i think is a little unfair anyway thats my opinion i am sure othere have theirs
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 20, 2014 8:04:36 GMT
As good as Zamora was there's a big chance he won't even be fit enough to play on Monday night. Plus Austin is still our joint top goalscorer and got a brilliant assist for Vargas's first goal
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Post by Dufster on Oct 20, 2014 9:07:59 GMT
Vargas looked V/Sharp yesteday and should get the nod for Villa, rest Charlie as he has struggled last couple of games!
Such limited options, all 3 will get game time!
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Post by harr on Oct 20, 2014 10:58:42 GMT
I posted last week that Zamora should start with Vargas as Zamora holds up the ball and brings the midfield into play while Charlie is a different type of player. Zamora did exactly what I said yesterday and I have a feeling that Vargas would have put away the chances that Charlie had in the first half yesterday. Also I think Charlie would have put the same chances away last year - he looks short of confidence and under pressure. Maybe a couple of games on the bench coming on to replace Zamora as a super sub will help. Meanwhile Vargas showed what he is about - quick, skilful and knows where to be and how to put the ball in the net, while his link and understanding with Isla made a big difference. And a note for Harr - I changed my opinion yesterday - Phillips should not have been on the pitch - Nico should have come on and left Fer out wide. I just never see what he brings to the table 57 More concerned why the coaches and Redknapp keep picking him week in week out . I am moving on to the Villa game now . Would have been nice just sit on the 2-2 and at least take a pt from the game . For or me though I am still not convinced Redknapp is the man for us this season . One great performance doesn't hide several poor ones but it's a start .
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 20, 2014 14:43:05 GMT
I feel for Austin. Talk about shit loads of pressure on him. When you play just one up front, the poor guy has to do it all. Perhaps a rest might be a good thing or change to playing two up front every game so he and Vargas can form a decent working understanding. Great goals from Vargus today.
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Post by corndog on Oct 20, 2014 15:04:24 GMT
I feel for Austin. Talk about shitee loads of pressure on him. When you play just one up front, the poor guy has to do it all. Perhaps a rest might be a good thing or change to playing two up front every game so he and Vargas can form a decent working understanding. Great goals from Vargus today. Agree completely, a lot is expected from him and really from the little time working together, Charlie and Vargas seem to have a good chemistry. I think with more time they could become a very good duo.
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Post by Marc on Oct 20, 2014 15:08:06 GMT
I feel for Austin. Talk about shiteee loads of pressure on him. When you play just one up front, the poor guy has to do it all. Perhaps a rest might be a good thing or change to playing two up front every game so he and Vargas can form a decent working understanding. Great goals from Vargus today. Agree completely, a lot is expected from him and really from the little time working together, Charlie and Vargas seem to have a good chemistry. I think with more time they could become a very good duo. There are definitely signs of a good partnership.' Austin's assist yesterday and Vargus providing for Austin at Southampton
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Post by londonranger on Oct 20, 2014 17:24:27 GMT
Charlie must stay. He works like a Trojan, and is smart
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Post by kenthoop on Oct 21, 2014 8:02:27 GMT
Charlie must stay. He works like a Trojan, and is smart Agree totally
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Oct 22, 2014 0:16:37 GMT
i think if we learnt anything from sundays debacle it is that we have a left back called Yun and a centre forward called Vargas--no more clint,traore or any other silly sod at left back--hes bided his time now let him have his time. Vargas made charlie look like what he is--a striker that needs 5 chances to score one--fed up with honest hard working average mackie/austins---let the boy loose,hes a goalscorer
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 20:03:21 GMT
Must admit of being sceptical of austin this season. and i'm still not convinced.even though he is our leading goalscorer. but imo the team is not set up to play austin effectively. 57 said, and i agree, that zamora works with vargras because bobby holds the ball up, allowing vargras and midfield to run onto the resulting pass. our midfield through the centre are to slow to accomadate austins great attribute of hitting the ball first time, and being a poacher. untill we can get fast midfielders austins goals will dry up i fear. but..i am maude. And i dont do tactics. And i dont know to much about football.
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Post by Marc on Oct 22, 2014 22:04:48 GMT
Have Zamora & Vargas played together much? His 2 goals were whilst up front with Austin.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 23, 2014 8:08:18 GMT
i think if we learnt anything from sundays debacle it is that we have a left back called Yun and a centre forward called Vargas--no more clint,traore or any other silly sod at left back--hes bided his time now let him have his time. Vargas made charlie look like what he is--a striker that needs 5 chances to score one--fed up with honest hard working average mackie/austins---let the boy loose,hes a goalscorer So wait when we have a team full of Mercenaries everyone moans, saying we need more hard working players. Then when we get someone like Austin who scores bags of goals we have people saying there's cir of these type of players.
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 23, 2014 10:07:47 GMT
i think if we learnt anything from sundays debacle it is that we have a left back called Yun and a centre forward called Vargas--no more clint,traore or any other silly sod at left back--hes bided his time now let him have his time. Vargas made charlie look like what he is--a striker that needs 5 chances to score one--fed up with honest hard working average mackie/austins---let the boy loose,hes a goalscorer So wait when we have a team full of Mercenaries everyone moans, saying we need more hard working players. Then when we get someone like Austin who scores bags of goals we have people saying there's cir of these type of players. What we need is young, hungry players from the lower divisions with a point to prove in the prem - wait a minute!
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 23, 2014 10:13:19 GMT
Charlie Austin is an honest, hard working pro that scored the goals to get us promoted, playing thru the pain of injuries and never giving less than 100% every game, whilst on lower wages than some of the players around him who contributed far less.
Those are qualities we want in a player who should not lose his place in the side due to lack of service and opportunities in the box.
I'd pick him every game with Vargas alongside him and work on getting decent crosses into the box as that is what he needs, not drop him.
We do need to strengthen the attack in January, Troy Deeney would be able to play alongside any of our 3 strikers.
Dropping Austin now is not an option for me, he deserves to be on the pitch.
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 23, 2014 10:22:33 GMT
Must admit of being sceptical of austin this season. and i'm still not convinced.even though he is our leading goalscorer. but imo the team is not set up to play austin effectively. 57 said, and i agree, that zamora works with vargras because bobby holds the ball up, allowing vargras and midfield to run onto the resulting pass. our midfield through the centre are to slow to accomadate austins great attribute of hitting the ball first time, and being a poacher. untill we can get fast midfielders austins goals will dry up i fear. but..i am maude. And i dont do tactics. And i dont know to much about football. Are you from Barcelona?
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Post by Marc on Oct 23, 2014 12:29:31 GMT
Charlie Austin is an honest, hard working pro that scored the goals to get us promoted, playing thru the pain of injuries and never giving less than 100% every game, whilst on lower wages than some of the players around him who contributed far less. Those are qualities we want in a player who should not lose his place in the side due to lack of service and opportunities in the box. I'd pick him every game with Vargas alongside him and work on getting decent crosses into the box as that is what he needs, not drop him. We do need to strengthen the attack in January, Troy Deeney would be able to play alongside any of our 3 strikers. Dropping Austin now is not an option for me, he deserves to be on the pitch. Can't disagree with any of that .
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Post by blatantfowl on Oct 23, 2014 13:00:15 GMT
Charlie Austin is an honest, hard working pro that scored the goals to get us promoted, playing thru the pain of injuries and never giving less than 100% every game, whilst on lower wages than some of the players around him who contributed far less. Those are qualities we want in a player who should not lose his place in the side due to lack of service and opportunities in the box. I'd pick him every game with Vargas alongside him and work on getting decent crosses into the box as that is what he needs, not drop him. We do need to strengthen the attack in January, Troy Deeney would be able to play alongside any of our 3 strikers. Dropping Austin now is not an option for me, he deserves to be on the pitch. This
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Post by gthompson66 on Oct 24, 2014 20:13:10 GMT
Keep Charlie in the line-up. He's bright and will come good.
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Post by timewaster on Oct 24, 2014 22:52:46 GMT
but..i am maude. And i dont do tactics. And i dont know to much about football. So you are equal to our coaching staff
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Post by harr on Oct 24, 2014 23:03:53 GMT
Do you pick the Captain Maude
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Post by londonranger on Oct 24, 2014 23:10:20 GMT
Charlie has that Allen family love of scoring. Gets himself into position, spots someone who is clear and free and passes. Goal hunger I call it. Finds the space where the ball fits. Has to stay fit though
and train hard.
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