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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 3, 2012 22:02:24 GMT
warnock's got a massive job on he's hands, buying the right players, motivating the squad, looking at he's tactics, trying to keep us up. because there is one thing we supporters can be sure of, even if the end of the season position will prove that he has been wrong sometimes, it won't be for the want of trying. our manager will give he's all to try and keep us up, and thats all i ask. As supporters we can help out by showing neil the support the same as we did at fulham, if we do we will be safe. come on and back neil what ever happens....WE ARE QPR !!!
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 22:05:51 GMT
Agree with all of that.
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 3, 2012 22:19:02 GMT
I dont think anyone will support QPR any less while this bad run goes on , sometimes Maude we just vent our anger on here to get rid of some stress , not ideal i know . As much as i have complained at NW tactics on here the last 2-3 weeks and the way he handled Tarbs , you would never get me booing the Team or NW at a game , i think it can get to the Players , not my style and nobody deserves that treatment. But i will continue to say the things regarding his Team selections that puzzle me , but he certainly has my backing until the end of season , would be silly to make that change at such a crucial stage . One thing i will always say about Warnock is i have 100% in his judgement in buying Players(Forget about Clarke )have loads of faith in him on this front . Of course i want him to succeed , we all do deep down for the Love of QPR , he hasnt become a Bad Manager overnight but he has made quite a few fundamental mistakes i dont think theres anyone on this board that can deny that ! I dont want to give up on him now , if we go down we go down but the Man deserves us to be behind him until May . I will do my best to be as positive on here as i can as we try and get through this period of hell and theres no way i want to change my Avatar !I dont know how to ! UR's
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Jan 3, 2012 22:31:47 GMT
im not sure I agree with all the above NW comments but I support the r's through and through--it doesn't really matter what I think as i can't influence anything--I only pray the team and staff care and hurt like I do when things are tough and it's not just words--I know it's early to look out for other results but I couldn't help being pleased when i saw wigan got a good thumping tonight--sunderland a different team under a NEW manager!!!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 3, 2012 22:41:11 GMT
I dont think anyone will support QPR any less while this bad run goes on , sometimes Maude we just vent our anger on here to get rid of some stress , not ideal i know . As much as i have complained at NW tactics on here the last 2-3 weeks and the way he handled Tarbs , you would never get me booing the Team or NW at a game , i think it can get to the Players , not my style and nobody deserves that treatment. But i will continue to say the things regarding his Team selections that puzzle me , but he certainly has my backing until the end of season , would be silly to make that change at such a crucial stage . One thing i will always say about Warnock is i have 100% in his judgement in buying Players(Forget about Clarke )have loads of faith in him on this front . Of course i want him to succeed , we all do deep down for the Love of QPR , he hasnt become a Bad Manager overnight but he has made quite a few fundamental mistakes i dont think theres anyone on this board that can deny that ! I dont want to give up on him now , if we go down we go down but the Man deserves us to be behind him until May . I will do my best to be as positive on here as i can as we try and get through this period of hell and theres no way i want to change my Avatar !I dont know how to ! UR's we all have to have our say on what pisses us off, i do it, thats what this board is about, different views at different times. and the posters on this board only want what is good for QPR, it's why i like posting here. just my attempt at jollying people up, in the future IF we ever did get a new manager, like if neil retired after leading us to prem champions and we got in Guardiola to replace him i still wouldnt expect you H to change your avatar ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 3, 2012 22:50:05 GMT
Absolutely: You shouldnt be inhibited from expressing your views. There's no "right" answer re keeping Warnock - or many other things. Just what we all feel is best for QPR, as we perceive it. Be it keeping QPR up, or preserving its soul, etc.
And that's true of MOST posters on the various QPR boards: They're QPR fans with different views, whose concern is what's best in their view, for the club.
And so while debates sometime get overheated, we should try and bear that in mind. (Obviously it's hard when some posters are just so WRONG!!!)
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 3, 2012 23:00:26 GMT
I dont think anyone will support QPR any less while this bad run goes on , sometimes Maude we just vent our anger on here to get rid of some stress , not ideal i know . As much as i have complained at NW tactics on here the last 2-3 weeks and the way he handled Tarbs , you would never get me booing the Team or NW at a game , i think it can get to the Players , not my style and nobody deserves that treatment. But i will continue to say the things regarding his Team selections that puzzle me , but he certainly has my backing until the end of season , would be silly to make that change at such a crucial stage . One thing i will always say about Warnock is i have 100% in his judgement in buying Players(Forget about Clarke )have loads of faith in him on this front . Of course i want him to succeed , we all do deep down for the Love of QPR , he hasnt become a Bad Manager overnight but he has made quite a few fundamental mistakes i dont think theres anyone on this board that can deny that ! I dont want to give up on him now , if we go down we go down but the Man deserves us to be behind him until May . I will do my best to be as positive on here as i can as we try and get through this period of hell and theres no way i want to change my Avatar !I dont know how to ! UR's we all have to have our say on what pisses us off, i do it, thats what this board is about, different views at different times. and the posters on this board only want what is good for QPR, it's why i like posting here. just my attempt at jollying people up, in the future IF we ever did get a new manager, like if neil retired after leading us to prem champions and we got in Guardiola to replace him i still wouldnt expect you H to change your avatar ;D That last line brought a smile on my face
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Post by dsqpr on Jan 3, 2012 23:25:23 GMT
We all love NW for what he has done for the club and will continue to support him 100% so long as he is in charge, no matter how many matches we lose or how far down the table we slip. But at the same time, we can still believe that he is not up to the task of managing in the Prem and that the club would be better served by replacing him now, while a new manager still has time to make a difference.
Personally, I would like to remember NW as the manager who took us up to the Prem in a blaze of glory, not the one who took us straight back down again.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 3, 2012 23:49:46 GMT
Maybe the manager who took us up...The Manager who took us down...and the manager who took us right back up (as Champions)...and a victory parade!
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Post by londonranger on Jan 4, 2012 3:15:06 GMT
I dont think that I have ever felt before as a pioneer member of this board that I couldnt express myself
on QPR Report without feeling awkward man from QPR. No, one man will make nor break Q.PR His bringing us up has no bearing on his keeping us up. . {deleted heretic, awful critic, Indyrs and resigning) (daily mirror hysterical poster is bizarre and unfair. all deleted (another poster)
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 4, 2012 4:06:05 GMT
I dont think that I have ever felt before as a pioneer member of this board that I couldnt express myself on QPR Report without getting beaten shamed and made to feel close to a heretic. Frankly I have never seen such emotional love affection and support for one man from QPR. No, one man will make nor break Q.PR His bringing us up has no bearing on his keeping us up, but frankly I will not post any hint of wanting a new manager . It upsets too many people. I will not, should not and find totally disturbing that a poster of my status, years of following and supporting QPR starting and during World War 2 should be treated as a mean spirited ungreatful critic of Neil Warnock. I will post my thoughts on Indyrs who on this issue seem much more realistic and I am considering totally resigning from this Board which I helped make, supported and helped get off the ground from day 1. Even the Daily Mirror who "dared to write a piece that perhaps suggests his job may be threatened is added to the list of muckraking sheets and not to be taken seriously. Well of course it is, but theres usually a grain of truth in their stories. Frankly I dont care whether Warnock stays or goes. But the concerted efforts to lower the rhetoric and be on the fringe of a hysterical poster is bizarre and unfair. Yesterday a poster declared his wish for another manager, and was hounded and beaten down that he hasnt posted since. When this board and its moderators start to act like other boards which have been maligned over the years, QPR Report will start to be in serious trouble. Is that heretical also? Hello London. I am on nights at the moment and picked up your post pretty much straight away. I 've been a bit of a while replying as I have been going through the 'Neil Warnock' threads to try and get a feel for your post, the one you started and other comments throughout. There are too many really and not enough time left on my shift to read them all. What struck me was some of the passion the subject created. I have only been a member for a few months so I havent a feel for the history but I do know that you guys try and encourage open and honest debate. Mac particularly mentioned welcoming both sides on this subject in his replies. I have seen a lot of support for your view, some of it very strong, so you are not alone by any means. Some oppose and some are on the fence waiting. I hope you dont leave the forum London as I sure we all want to see the same thing., we're just discussing the best way of achieving it. I am also sure that if we all new that NW would take us down then he would get no votes from any of us just because he is NW. So I guess what I am saying is, please reconsider.
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Post by harbo on Jan 4, 2012 7:33:48 GMT
London, your points of view are respected just as much as any on here, however you can't take it so personally when others disagree with you that you suggest leaving the forum. We all have our views, we all have a way of expressing them, we all think we are right that's the beauty of discussion and debate, however none of this is personal. We are all the same, we all love QPR, we are a diverse and wide ranging bunch we just disagree on a few things that doesn't make me right or you wrong, it's all opinion. I personally am of the view that we should back warnock, with the shocking level of player he has had at his disposal, players like fitz hall, Danny gabbidon, Bradley Orr, Matt Connelly, tommy smith, Amos buszaky, he has done the best he could. There aren't many managers if any that couldve improved us drastically over these first few games. A good manager doesn't make a poor player good, he works with him to get the best he can until he can replace him, he has done the best he can with the injuries and players available now it's time to strengthen and replace these players and I genuinely feel if he can replace these poor players with good hungry experienced players, he will be the man to keep us up and not only keep us up but cement us over the next 2 or 3 seasons as an established premier league team.
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Post by Roller on Jan 4, 2012 7:44:58 GMT
If we were going to change our manager we should have done so in plenty of time before the transfer window. If we did so now we would bring in a man who doesn’t have in depth knowledge of the abilities and depth of the squad and we would end up with another load of panic buys. I’m sure that Uncle Neil still has the players behind him and we should stick with him. I’d agree that we shouldn’t retain him just because of what he has already done for us, but we should always bare it in mind before glibly changing.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 4, 2012 8:02:17 GMT
London from my perspective, and I think from the perspective of almost every poster on this board (whatever their views on any matter), that would be terrible and deeply regrettable thing to do. I could go back over the last few days and in true "Macmoish" style, copy and paste my quotes re open, tolerant debate. I won't deny there one or two a little 'intemperate" statements by one or two posters. I won't deny there has been some heated debate. I would say that for myself, I have time and again, over the last few days, called for calm; called for tolerance of difference of opinions; and restated that hat all views are welcome on this board - on Warnock's remaining or axing - or any other matter. I would also say that this board in its three plus years has proven itself time and again open to all points of view and all posters (even those who come on using fake identities insistent upon attempting to cause toothaches - until they have PROVEN themselves not to be interested in genuine debate.) And I would match that record and willingness against ANY other QPR message board. The test of a board, is not what you say, when your views are in consort with the majority of the posters or the moderators of a board. It's when your views are diametrically counter to that board's ethos. I honestly think we've proven ourselves - while maybe on rare occasion, momentarily falling off the wagon. So no board is perfect. No poster or moderator (including of course, myself) is perfect in this regard. But as an open, serious message board, that genuinely seeks to adhere to its founding principles, even as "We Few, we Happy Few, we Band of Brothers" has grown almost exponentially...I think we've done pretty well over the past thousand plus days. So I hope you stay, you moderate, you put forward your own point of view - even if in the minority. As I have said, there is frequently no "right" point of view (except in a few matters such as the Paladini Boys and the Aparathick ). Just strongly-held points of view. And as the Mantra goes, "Onwards and Upwards."
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 4, 2012 8:10:40 GMT
I dont think that I have ever felt before as a pioneer member of this board that I couldnt express myself on QPR Report without getting beaten shamed and made to feel close to a heretic. Frankly I have never seen such emotional love affection and support for one man from QPR. No, one man will make nor break Q.PR His bringing us up has no bearing on his keeping us up, but frankly I will not post any hint of wanting a new manager . It upsets too many people. I will not, should not and find totally disturbing that a poster of my status, years of following and supporting QPR starting and during World War 2 should be treated as a mean spirited ungreatful critic of Neil Warnock. I will post my thoughts on Indyrs who on this issue seem much more realistic and I am considering totally resigning from this Board which I helped make, supported and helped get off the ground from day 1. Even the Daily Mirror who "dared to write a piece that perhaps suggests his job may be threatened is added to the list of muckraking sheets and not to be taken seriously. Well of course it is, but theres usually a grain of truth in their stories. Frankly I dont care whether Warnock stays or goes. But the concerted efforts to lower the rhetoric and be on the fringe of a hysterical poster is bizarre and unfair. Yesterday a poster declared his wish for another manager, and was hounded and beaten down that he hasnt posted since. When this board and its moderators start to act like other boards which have been maligned over the years, QPR Report will start to be in serious trouble. Is that heretical also? London forgive me if i say you are being very thin skinned....its quite clear you are a vital part of the community on this board and that people respect you but you would not expect others to restrain their views because of your position on the board, would you? I was particularly surprised that someone with so much experience of the history of QPR and football generally would have your view but if its your view so be it. And finally, If I've personally offended you I'd like to apologise to you in front of all other posters on this board as it was not my intention no matter how much I might disagree with you. Please continue to post.
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Post by nomar on Jan 4, 2012 8:36:48 GMT
Personally, I think the last 8 games have led me to believe that Warnock is not a Premier League calibre manager.
I think he is tactically inept, has poor man management skills and an outdated approach that doesn't work in the modern day dressing room.
He is an excellent Championship level manager, but that appears to be as good as it gets for him, I'm afraid.
Newcastle sussed this out last season with Hughton, that as good as he was in the Championship he wasn't good enough for this level.
At the time Toon fans reacted similarly to Hughton's dismissal as fans on here are reacting to the notion raised by many on here that actually, as hard as it might be to swallow, Warnock may actually be the problem.
West Brom fans too felt the same outrage at the axing of Di Matteo, another manager who took them up from the Championship to the promised land.
However, a year later, if you ask Toon and Albion fans they will all tell you that, whilst they didn't agree with the decisions at the time, they realise now that both were the right decisions.
QPR may well have left it too late to change now, although history suggests its better to do it later than not at all.
The only saving grace for us us that none of the 4 other teams who are almost certainly going to make up the final 3 who go down look like they've sussed out that their future prospects probably rely on a change at the helm too.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 4, 2012 13:55:58 GMT
My post was written late and it is one of those posts when you wake up the next morning and wonder why you wrote it.
Like an e mail that you wish you had never sent. The points are made to question the real degree of disagreement that can be taken here. No I will not resign. I have too much respect for Mike and the quality of the people on the blog.
I am going to edit and or delete certain aspects of my post. I can see now what I am so upset about. the really dire passionless quality of the play which at this point puts us as about the worst in the league. I can honestly say I was hoping for much more. Also I am sorry that I have offended people and caused unecessary perhaps stuff and response. Thanks for your comments Eus, and Mike. I maybe too thin skinned on this issue in your eyes the reason being that I feel like the baby QPR struggling without enough strength for the journey in the Premiership and treated rotten by Tango and Cash that got us here without any intention of really wanting us here and putting us in this untenable situation. In some ways I may be different from some where i felt that awful legal Paladini League struggle also made it so much more stressful for the fans.
Perhaps things will work out, I ccertainly hope so.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 4, 2012 14:29:22 GMT
its a shame now that fernancez has left it to late to get rid of warnock. we are pretty much down now.
all we can do is plan for next season in the champoinship and have the players needed to keep us there or even elevate us pack up into the prem for 2013/14.
it also gives fernandez time to find a good replacement between now and the end of june.
it will be sad to see our top players go but the likes of furlin and tarrabt, kenny, barton, swp will most probably walk into any prem side and they wont be going back to championship level again.
with all these good players that we have, its really sad the way warnock has used them, the player positioning and treatment of certain players along with negative 4-5-1 tactics has been our downfall this season.
roll on next season though, fresh change and hectic league, cant wait.
you r'ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jan 4, 2012 14:45:40 GMT
its a shame now that fernancez has left it to late to get rid of warnock. we are pretty much down now.
all we can do is plan for next season in the champoinship and have the players needed to keep us there or even elevate us pack up into the prem for 2013/14.it also gives fernandez time to find a good replacement between now and the end of june. it will be sad to see our top players go but the likes of furlin and tarrabt, kenny, barton, swp will most probably walk into any prem side and they wont be going back to championship level again. with all these good players that we have, its really sad the way warnock has used them, the player positioning and treatment of certain players along with negative 4-5-1 tactics has been our downfall this season. roll on next season though, fresh change and hectic league, cant wait. you r'ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss FFS ;D
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Post by moriarty on Jan 4, 2012 14:48:52 GMT
its a shame now that fernancez has left it to late to get rid of warnock. we are pretty much down now. all we can do is plan for next season in the champoinship and have the players needed to keep us there or even elevate us pack up into the prem for 2013/14. it also gives fernandez time to find a good replacement between now and the end of june. it will be sad to see our top players go but the likes of furlin and tarrabt, kenny, barton, swp will most probably walk into any prem side and they wont be going back to championship level again. with all these good players that we have, its really sad the way warnock has used them, the player positioning and treatment of certain players along with negative 4-5-1 tactics has been our downfall this season. roll on next season though, fresh change and hectic league, cant wait. you r'ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Wow - can I borrow your crystal ball, unless you can PM me the winning lotto numbers this weekend. (sorry, being flippant here)
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 4, 2012 14:57:13 GMT
here is something alse from my balls for you, no new stadium, (good thing) no more big money signings, but still you have to pay £25-£30 to watch the likes of doncaster and brighton next season.
can you afford that? i cant but i will still go.
my balls are now empty for you moriaty
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 4, 2012 14:58:54 GMT
it will be sad to see our top players go but the likes of furlin and tarrabt, kenny, barton, swp will most probably walk into any prem side and they wont be going back to championship level again.Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=28626&page=1#219053#ixzz1iVAvMDiqkenny wouldnt get a game at any other premiership club imho. not certain adel or swp would either. faurlin could possibly make a couple of the relegation candidates teams. bartons probably the only player we have that would 100/% walk into another premiership side.
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