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Post by Macmoish on Dec 31, 2011 18:06:13 GMT
If we go down this season, we get the parachute payments.
But as earlier relegated clubs have found, they're left with mass wages for players they signed in the Premiership. As I imagine we are....
So obviously if we spend enough in Jan, we have a good chance (but not a certainty of staying up)...
On the downside, if we spend too much, with wage commitments such as we have with Barton, and we do go down....That's a big, big burden...
Only Fernandes, Bhatia and Warnock know how much money is really available to be spent. But I sure hope they know what they're doing.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 31, 2011 18:17:01 GMT
Again left in another mess by owner(s), who had no intent on staying on. It could turn out and lets hope
it doesnt that we would be in worse financial shape than when they bought in,excluding that they dug us
out of admin. Very important but if these guys check out we could be there again.
Still, cant let a loss at Arsenal bring my spirits down, even though we are 17th.
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Post by marianqpr on Dec 31, 2011 18:22:34 GMT
That is a very good point about the high wages if we go down.
However, I am still hopeful that we will stay up.
I must admit that two points out of a possible 21 since the end of November definitley seems like relegation form.
Let us hope they buy wisely, or get some good quality loans which might solve the wage problem if we do go down.
I guess we were relying on the teams below us to be worse than us but they seem to have started playing at the right time.
A win against Norwich could change everything for us.
Come on u R'sssssssss
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 31, 2011 18:25:42 GMT
Again left in another mess by owner(s), who had no intent on staying on. It could turn out and lets hope it doesnt that we would be in worse financial shape than when they bought in,excluding that they dug us out of admin. Very important but if these guys check out we could be there again. Still, cant let a loss at Arsenal bring my spirits down, even though we are 17th. Do we have any reason to believe this to be true......Todays performance was good and but for a misplaced SWP pass we take a point from this game...we're not going down and I don't believe that Fernandes has any intention of going anywhere. |
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Post by londonranger on Dec 31, 2011 18:30:14 GMT
No neither do I Eus, but times and circumstances can change on a dime, especially in todays marketplaces, but, no I see no imminence of anything of that nature. I suspect I am griping about,
the frantic rush this team had to be put together.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 31, 2011 18:42:53 GMT
Put it this way: I feel a lot happier, that Bhatia/Mittal is also involved...
With Fernandes, you just never know: Not his intentions...But suppose somehow his other interests somehow start losing money big time. (I don't know enough about finances to know)
I just know that our two successful QPR stays in the First Division/Premiership were founded on us being promoted with the basis of having already really great players (the Jago promoted team and the Venables promotion teams). Lots of young developing players in the team...And youngsters coming through.. I appreciate its a different era..But basically we have neither now.
As for staying up: It's always around 40 points. So I'm not worried about any specific team...Just how we're going to get those 40 magic point (or maybe it's 39 or 38...But around there)
I also obviously appreciate - as we saw from 1995 on, that once you go down, a return may take many years (or even never)...
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Post by spanishal on Dec 31, 2011 18:55:20 GMT
We huffed and we puffed and played some good stuff, but we are so weak in practically all areas. Tarrabt and SWP always look so comfortable with the ball at their feet but are absolutely hopeless against seasoned Premiership defenders.
It'll take time for new signings, whoever they maybe, to make a difference, if any. If we survive it will be indeed be an quite an achievement. Norwich and Swansea would appear to adapting well, the benefit of a settled squad making all the difference - Oh for such luxuries.
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Post by nomar on Dec 31, 2011 19:11:36 GMT
I really do fear for us now.
Our current form says team freefalling into relegation.
We cannot score and do not appear to have any confidence or belief to go and take the game to teams like Arsenal and Liverpool when other teams around us have done so and got a result for their efforts.
I hink we have to seriously consider that there is a very big chance we re going to go down now. Maybe the players need to start grasping that concept too.
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Post by madukqpr on Dec 31, 2011 19:54:46 GMT
We need to rebuild from the back and sort out our central defence - too many poor goals we have conceded and that in my opinion is the main reason we're in position we are. That is the only positive criticism to the team I will bring to the table.
Too many people are jumping on the negative bandwagon and saying we our doomed..... I really think we will turn the corner in January and start climbing up the table. If we solid up at the back, sharpen up in midfield and start converting chances then we will survive.
Lets all stay positive and get behind the lads
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Post by bowles on Dec 31, 2011 19:59:52 GMT
we could do a west brom and yo-yo for a few seasons until we get the squad together to stay in the prem! its not all doom and gloom even if we get realagated!
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 31, 2011 20:56:49 GMT
And just so there's no doubt: For myself - I'd stick with Warnock through to the end of the season. And very possibly beyond. Whatever happens to us
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 31, 2011 21:01:37 GMT
We huff and we puff but at the end of the day we didnt get 2 points from losing to Arsenal , Manu and Liverpool , but our failure was once again failing to beat the bottom teams , losing at Norwich , Drawing at home to WBA and losing at home to Sunderland then the Swansea draw , is where we failed .
Any team that only picks up 2 points from 7 games is a relegation contender , if Norwich turn up Monday and win at Loftus road and take 6 points of us in the process it will show us exactly where we are in terms of a team !
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Post by londonranger on Dec 31, 2011 21:12:23 GMT
Agree 100% with Nomar. This doesnt look like a team. The attacking force is so defective and so unsure of them selves. Really quite sad. The Mid Defence and Goal are scrambling and look beaten before they have started. New players wont make a difference. The coaching, managing tactics, strategies seem also deficient. To stay up the team needs pre season training, getting to know each other, a set team that are in touch with each other and the knowledge of how to get a goal when they need one. If Van Persie hadnt been so nervous about the recored goal, he could have had four. Even minnows playing in cup v Arsenals Man Us look more determined and confident. Having to wait til end of season for Taraabt to show up now is crazy. Then when will he go on another loony tune. This team would have trouble finishing in top half of next division. (Im running for the exits)  |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 31, 2011 21:37:27 GMT
With 17 points from first 19 games,
we need probably 21 or 22 points from our 19 games
4 wins 6 draws 9 defeats would put us on 35
The rest I leave to Harlow!
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 31, 2011 21:38:30 GMT
so you think the january transfers will keep us up?
so, when im shouting for warnock to be sacked for poor preformances dating back to early november, people on here was using all sorts of excuses for the dropped points including the one that says players need time to bed in.
so going by this logic are we all in agreement now that the players that we have bought back in late aug are now bedded in to the team and the managers system.?
if so, then from everyones reckoning, the players that we get in from tomorrow's transfer window will need two months to bed in so that means no blame can be attributed to them or warnock for any defeats that we will suffer until then.?
lets face facts here, we are in the shit and warnock is unable to get us out, no premier experience other than 2 other relegations, tacticly inept and to busy admiring other teams.
WARNOCK OUT!
on a side note, adel had a great game today
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 31, 2011 21:54:32 GMT
so you think the january transfers will keep us up? so, when im shouting for warnock to be sacked for poor preformances dating back to early november, people on here was using all sorts of excuses for the dropped points including the one that says players need time to bed in. so going by this logic are we all in agreement now that the players that we have bought back in late aug are now bedded in to the team and the managers system.? if so, then from everyones reckoning, the players that we get in from tomorrow's transfer window will need two months to bed in so that means no blame can be attributed to them or warnock for any defeats that we will suffer until then.? lets face facts here, we are in the shit and warnock is unable to get us out, no premier experience other than 2 other relegations, tacticly inept and to busy admiring other teams. WARNOCK OUT! on a side note, adel had a great game today Oh gawd here we go again...... |
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 31, 2011 21:58:08 GMT
With 17 points from first 19 games, we need probably 21 or 22 points from our 19 games 4 wins 6 draws 9 defeats would put us on 35 The rest I leave to Harlow! 35 not enough , 6 wins possibly be enough with the draws that just come along . 7 wins for certain but ive been saying the same for the last 7 games and it just isnt happening . Everyone bar us at the bottom picked up a point today and Blackburn three . If our Manager now fails to drum enough fight and spirit for that game Monday then i dont hold alot of hope for the rest of the season . Add that Tarbs has now done ok in each of the 4 games hes been involved in . Now 4 of the bottom teams are there because of bad runs , wigan 8 straight defeats , us 2 draws in seven , Bolton 6 straight defeats and Wolves 1 point in 6 games , we all deserve to be down there end of . |
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Post by FloridaR on Dec 31, 2011 22:10:51 GMT
i'd say that the new owner needs to think about getting rid of warnock in the next 10 days or so, that way a new manager would be able to salvage a side together and stop relegation....i say that appreciating what warnocks done but i think hes tactically devoid in this league and i dont want the club to go down. Hard decisions to be made in January...
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Post by londonranger on Jan 1, 2012 1:30:47 GMT
I dont think the new buys will keep us up as I didnt think the old ones would.
Divine providence plus a series of iffy penalties in our favour are our only hope.
Still. me, now, if I was owner would ve snapped up Martin O'Neil. Calm kind with stategy coming out of his bookish brain.
Gregory saved us from going down when Waddock sucked us down to the rim. He brought in 3 strategic tough players plus Camp who got us swimming with the tide.Mancienne stewpeas and two
defencive broken down nags who could always hoof the ball over the crossbar under pressure.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 1, 2012 8:22:12 GMT
Obviously we're improving our squad this month. Trouble is, so are some of our rivals.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 1, 2012 13:06:48 GMT
I'm looking forward to the norwich game tomorrow, I will wear my new qpr top I got from the kids at xmas, I will also look forward to getting 3 points, and if not, then the next time or whenever. I never seem to not get that feeling of great pride when I walk up the stairs and the pitch and stadium come into view.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 1, 2012 13:09:41 GMT
Perhaps moving away from playing a sole striker? I've watched Bothroyd huff and puff with no result for long enough. That Helguson gets a goal here and there is an achievement in itself and not a reflection of Helguson. Our central defence scares the crap out of me. Ferdinand is the only one playing reasonably well although Hallhas had his moments and I one of his harshest critics do acknowledge his moments.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 1, 2012 14:44:53 GMT
To be honest if you did not consider relegation before this season started then you were either a supreme optimist or you were lying. Even more so when the the delay in the takeover meant that we were not in the position to buy player,s like our opponents were able to do, until virtually the final minute. Now I have always seen us as a team with just one goal this season - to stay out the bottom 3, so relegation has always been a possibility for me. I see a few fans are starting with the "Warnock out" chants - and I epxtec it to increase in the near future if we continue as is - but the truth is that the aforementioned delay is one of the major reasons why we are were we are. I doubt sacking NW would have made much of a difference. I think how the club approaches this transfer window will give us an indication of their plans for the near future - and that is do we gamble on buying expensive players that we hope to get us our our current miss and risk doing a Bradford - or do we spend moderately (if at all) and plan for another season in the Championship, sticking with a coach with a proven track record of getting teams promoted. We could go the middle route; that is that is adding a few reinforcements at moderate prices to a very weak squad - getting rid of some of the deadwood, and then plan for the future accordingly depending on whether we are likely to stay up or go down. I suspect that this is the route we will take. If I am being truthful though - I wouldn't be surprised if we do go down as I am doing the numbers game. If we accept that 40 points is our target and that generally speaking promoted teams more often that not struggle in the 2nd half of the season - due to many reasons such as smaller squads and losing the surprise and novelty factor - then we should have had at least 22 to 25 on the board. We only have 17 - which means we need around 23 points for the 2nd half of the season (or 8 wins out of 19 games). How likely is that?  Obviously Iam still hoping that we do make it BUT..... |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 1, 2012 15:10:16 GMT
Something like this is still possible, but due to 2 points from 7 games not much room for error.
Norwich - 3 points
Newcastle 0 points
Wigan 3 points
Aston Villa 0 points
Wolves 3 points
Blackburn 1 point
Fulham 1 point
Everton 3 point
Bolton 0 points
Liverpool 0 points
Sunderland 0 points
Arsenal 0
Man U 0
Swansea 3 points
WBA 1 point
Spurs 1 point
Chelsea 0 points
Stoke 3 points
Man C 0 points
that would give us 22points plus our 17 , around 39 might be just enough , would have gone down on 39 last year.
This would mean us beat quite a few of the bottom teams at Home , so far something we couldnt manage against Bolton , Blackburn and WBA.
This would also mean sorting out our joke of a home form which is more of a come and get your points now , rather than a Fortress like Swanseas.
If i'm honest i see Norwich and Wigan coming to QPR and going away with the points now!
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 1, 2012 18:04:52 GMT
if norwich do us tomorrow, them 'warnock out' chants will be very loud and much aplenty. certain of that.
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Post by harlowranger on Feb 28, 2012 12:55:51 GMT
Bump , Mac started this on 31/12
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Post by nomar on Feb 28, 2012 16:06:30 GMT
Wigan, Bolton and us going down I reckon.
Us and Bolton are not certs to go but we look most likely of the others. Wigan do look like Certs for the drop.
What may save us is our strike force once Cisse is back
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 28, 2012 16:07:54 GMT
Wigan, Bolton and us going down I reckon. Us and Bolton are not certs to go but we look most likely of the others. Wigan do look like Certs for the drop. What may save us is our strike force once Cisse is back Wolves instead of Bolton IMO. |
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