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Post by Macmoish on Oct 25, 2011 12:48:33 GMT
The various starting doubters/even possibly quasi-campaigns: "Maybe Warnock isn't good enough for the Premiership....Maybe he should be replaced" Suggestions...  Just because of one itsy, bitsy result on Sunday ....  |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 25, 2011 12:58:12 GMT
They'll be back........
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Post by kempton ranger on Oct 25, 2011 12:59:03 GMT
Hi Mac, before I start I would like to point out that I have always trusted NW and still do. However his tactics have changed lately and I think he has made some errors. I am not happy that every time Kenny gets the ball even when not challenged he constantly lumps it up field. This is coming straight from the training ground . When the new signings came we were playing out from the back playing some good football from to front . Times have changed and this could be his undoing.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 25, 2011 13:04:22 GMT
That's football fans for you really. One minute they are saying that you are the best thing since sliced bread and the next they are saying you're past it. Give it a few bad results and they'll all say I told you so.
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Post by cpr on Oct 25, 2011 13:13:09 GMT
Nobody is above any form of criticism, as Kempton says, his decisions have not been perfect.
Had he been perfect, we'd be top of the league, obviously.
To thoughtfully discuss decisions made, tactics etc is fine.
Narrow minded stirring and saying he's not good enough without any foundation is clearly pointless.
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 25, 2011 13:20:30 GMT
Nobody is above any form of criticism, as Kempton says, his decisions have not been perfect. Had he been perfect, we'd be top of the league, obviously. To thoughtfully discuss decisions made, tactics etc is fine. Narrow minded stirring and saying he's not good enough without any foundation is clearly pointless.  very good post and totally agree! |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 25, 2011 13:38:01 GMT
Some QPR will always hate him and seem to relish sticking the boot in. Ungrateful swine  |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Oct 25, 2011 13:39:15 GMT
Not much on here, and that wasn't to you Kempton, I agree with Baz!
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Post by hitman34 on Oct 25, 2011 13:50:14 GMT
well, i still have not vanished! i still believe warnock is lacking when it comes to tactics.
we could not kill a game off against 9 men.
we weathered a storm in the second half on sunday. were lucky to walk away with the 3points in my opinion.
playing as we did do you think we would have won against 11 men?
warnock is all heart but im afraid he has no tactical ability. you only have to look at the blackburn game as a classic example and now against a 9MAN chelsea.
Greatful for the 3 points dont get me wrong, but it had nothing to do with warnocks tactics.
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Post by klr on Oct 25, 2011 13:58:43 GMT
Agree with this, I genuinely couldn't fathom the weird vibe on this messageboard & said so, it was like people were getting geared up for a doom & gloom scenario, I love a good moan as much as the next QPR fan, but fact is we have aqquitted ourselves admirably to life in this division & Neil Warnock is the best thing to happen to QPR in 20 years.
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Post by scarletpimple on Oct 25, 2011 13:59:06 GMT
After the euphoria had died down i turned and said to my son, i was not happy with the way we handled the 2nd half and lack of chances against nine men no matter how good those nine are.
Also l the lack of penetrating runs into the box from our central midfield players is a worry and its happend in most home games.
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Post by klr on Oct 25, 2011 14:01:03 GMT
well, i still have not vanished! i still believe warnock is lacking when it comes to tactics. we could not kill a game off against 9 men. we weathered a storm in the second half on sunday. were lucky to walk away with the 3points in my opinion. playing as we did do you think we would have won against 11 men? warnock is all heart but im afraid he has no tactical ability. you only have to look at the blackburn game as a classic example and now against a 9MAN chelsea. Greatful for the 3 points dont get me wrong, but it had nothing to do with warnocks tactics. What a load of b*llocks No tactical ability ?! How many managers would have seen the Derry & Faurlin thing ? If Arsene Wenger came up with that Derry & Faurlin thing people would be calling him a visionary! No tactical ability ?! B*LLOCKS! |
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 25, 2011 14:01:46 GMT
well, i still have not vanished! i still believe warnock is lacking when it comes to tactics. we could not kill a game off against 9 men. we weathered a storm in the second half on sunday. were lucky to walk away with the 3points in my opinion. playing as we did do you think we would have won against 11 men? warnock is all heart but im afraid he has no tactical ability. you only have to look at the blackburn game as a classic example and now against a 9MAN chelsea. Greatful for the 3 points dont get me wrong, but it had nothing to do with warnocks tactics. He may not be tactically getting it spot on but arguably he's doing the best with what he's got. We have Helguson and Bothroyd as our only striking options and neither are proven at this level. The likes of Smith, Taraabt, Mackie and even SWP and Barton are not prolific in front of goal at this level so considering we've got results against Wolves, Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn and now Chelsea it's a lot more then I and many others expected. The big test will be when there are no longer any excuses. When Warnock has a squad which every player is of Premiership quality - arguably we've got a handful and we're punching above our weight. Did he tactically get it right for the last 18 months prior to the start of this season? For me, absolutely but we're playing at a different level with different players and it will take time. |
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Post by klr on Oct 25, 2011 14:04:55 GMT
well, i still have not vanished! i still believe warnock is lacking when it comes to tactics. we could not kill a game off against 9 men. we weathered a storm in the second half on sunday. were lucky to walk away with the 3points in my opinion. playing as we did do you think we would have won against 11 men? warnock is all heart but im afraid he has no tactical ability. you only have to look at the blackburn game as a classic example and now against a 9MAN chelsea. Greatful for the 3 points dont get me wrong, but it had nothing to do with warnocks tactics. He may not be tactically getting it spot on but arguably he's doing the best with what he's got. We have Helguson and Bothroyd as our only striking options and neither are proven at this level. The likes of Smith, Taraabt, Mackie and even SWP and Barton are prolific in front of goal at this level so considering we've got results against Wolves, Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Blackburn and now Chelsea it's a lot more then I and many others expected. The big test will be when there are no longer any excuses. When Warnock has a squad which every player is of Premiership quality - arguably we've got a handful and we're punching above our weight. Did he tactically get it right for the last 18 months prior to the start of this season? For me, absolutely but we're playing at a different level with different players and it will take time. A lot of our attacking players with all due respect are "huffers & puffers" we need a genuinely dangerous striker in January, I think everyone knows that. |
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Post by haqpr1963 on Oct 25, 2011 14:07:52 GMT
And we have been looking for a serious goal scoring striker for how long?  |
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 25, 2011 14:13:36 GMT
2 things: 1. Warnock beat C*****a at home 1-0 and made them cry. What's not perfect about that? 2. Mac is not referring to any poster on this board and once he gets off the pot and puts down the spoon we can avoid silly misunderstandings like that amongst our perfectly good selves and concentrate on the football and not posters posting nonsense elsewhere.  |
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Post by cpr on Oct 25, 2011 14:17:30 GMT
He'll always be Colin to me, as I've said on many an occasion.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 25, 2011 14:17:36 GMT
well, i still have not vanished! i still believe warnock is lacking when it comes to tactics. we could not kill a game off against 9 men. we weathered a storm in the second half on sunday. were lucky to walk away with the 3points in my opinion. playing as we did do you think we would have won against 11 men? warnock is all heart but im afraid he has no tactical ability. you only have to look at the blackburn game as a classic example and now against a 9MAN chelsea. Greatful for the 3 points dont get me wrong, but it had nothing to do with warnocks tactics. Agree with KLR about this post. We hardly 'weathered a storm' did we?? They only had 2 shots in the whole second half. Also we were the better team when they had 11 men, we scored before they had any man sent off. Going down to 9 men actually didn't help our players at all, it just put more pressure on them to get the result. |
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Post by sirpiechucker on Oct 25, 2011 14:18:30 GMT
KLR and haqpr1963 - totally agree but tactically it's difficult having the lack of options. Arguably Warnock had just 8 days to get a striker in and didn't. Although strikers have been an issue for us for years who's to say that any of the ones we missed out on in the past would have been good enough at this level. I thought Ebanks-Blake was brilliant in the Championship and IF we had signed him when instead we signed Agyemang we'd no doubt still be talking about our lack of goal scoring options. Now Warnock has time and money he should (unless he's blind and doesn't see the need) get a striker or two in come January.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Oct 25, 2011 14:24:33 GMT
I think we should sell Taarabt and use the money to buy Gary Hooper or Kenwyne Jones, preferably Hooper.
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 25, 2011 14:30:00 GMT
Some QPR will always hate him and seem to relish sticking the boot in. Ungrateful swine same applies to a certain moroccan, who can do no right. It's their opinion, so let them blather on, and when that player scores twice and has a blinder I might want to stick the boot in myself. |
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Post by mikehunt on Oct 25, 2011 14:32:22 GMT
I think we should sell Taarabt and use the money to buy Gary Hooper or Kenwyne Jones, preferably Hooper. The money for Adel wouldnt get us Ched Evans, let alone Hooper or Jones. |
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Post by waterbuffalo on Oct 25, 2011 14:34:27 GMT
yeah he only passed between Luis' legs, everyone in the Prem can do that.
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 25, 2011 15:53:38 GMT
Some QPR will always hate him and seem to relish sticking the boot in. Ungrateful swine same applies to a certain moroccan, who can do no right. It's their opinion, so let them blather on, and when that player scores twice and has a blinder I might want to stick the boot in myself. Consistency not an important trait for a professional Premiership footballer then? When he has a run of games where he shows his quality for 90mins and works harder for the team, rather than having to carry him for 9 games then he has a blinder and then we have to carry him some more without mouthing off in the press about wanting to leave, would be the right time to say something. |
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Post by cpr on Oct 25, 2011 16:08:24 GMT
I thought this thread was about Colin |
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Post by Markqpr on Oct 25, 2011 16:11:01 GMT
I thought this thread was about Colin I though it was about posters and how their opinions change or go quiet. The reference to Colin serving as an example of that.  |
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 25, 2011 16:17:06 GMT
I'm quite happy for him to be our Manager relegation in May or not.
Wont change my mind that he gets things wrong from time to time , after all he is human .
Tarbs should have stayed on Saturday for starters .
Didnt agree with the way he dealt with traore and should get a better grip of Barton tweeting .
Whether we beat Chelsea 1-0 or lost 5-0 Sunday still wouldnt change my stance on him staying till the end of the season .
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 25, 2011 16:19:10 GMT
Agree. Perfectly fair to criticize Warnock...and accept he's fallible...
Even Terry - G-d - Venables got things wrong at time... (Ditto Gordon Jago and Sexton etc...) And look how long it took Stock to get us out of that Third Division. He had Seven years!
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Post by cpr on Oct 25, 2011 16:37:13 GMT
I thought this thread was about Colin I though it was about posters and how their opinions change or go quiet. The reference to Colin serving as an example of that. Posters eh! I wouldn't have a poster of Colin on my wall.  He is Colin, is he not? |
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Post by hitman34 on Oct 25, 2011 17:54:15 GMT
same applies to a certain moroccan, who can do no right. It's their opinion, so let them blather on, and when that player scores twice and has a blinder I might want to stick the boot in myself. Consistency not an important trait for a professional Premiership footballer then? When he has a run of games where he shows his quality for 90mins and works harder for the team, rather than having to carry him for 9 games then he has a blinder and then we have to carry him some more without mouthing off in the press about wanting to leave, would be the right time to say something. silly response. he has had more good games than bad this season. and after all he did carry us for 40 odd games last season. load of crap. |
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