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Post by harlowranger on Sept 2, 2011 10:28:08 GMT
IF and i'm not by any means saying we are going too , get relegated who do we now blame.
Tango and Cash for stalling selling the Club when we couldnt buy in the transfer window?
Neil Warnock for not getting the most from the team
This would be harsh considering what he has achieved.
We cant blame the team as they are getting to know each other and there has been so many changes .
We cant blame the new investors as they seem to be doing everything right .
Or do we just accept that we werent quite ready to get promoted in the first place with Briatore still in charge?
UR'S
Or is it just one of those things and the teams in the Premiership now are just to difficult to compete against !
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 2, 2011 10:32:16 GMT
If we get relegated...
Obviously Warnock will get some of the blame (if he's still here, should that look like happening)
Fernandes/Bhatia will get none of the blame: They've gone "Above and beyond" of the call of the duty
The lion's share of blame would go to Briatore and Ecclestone - for what they did/didnt do this summer
Gianni will get some blame (just because!)...Actually because of all the drek he's brought in that tied the hands of Warnock...Cos of the Faurlin matter/costs
And for old times sake, I'll throw just a little blame on the Paladini "enablers" who did whatever was in their power (however limited that might be) to ensure he'd remain at QPR, doing what he does!
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 2, 2011 10:38:17 GMT
i would say its all down to warnock and players now.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 2, 2011 11:13:31 GMT
For me Amit and Tony will get no blame whatsoever. Warnock will get some but most will go to Bernie/Flavio/Gianni.
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Post by hitman34 on Sept 2, 2011 12:04:42 GMT
absolutly silly thred, how on earth can you blame tango and cash for relegation.
nw has been given the backing and has got his players in. its down to him and the team now.
if it was not for tango and cash and their investment in the transfer window this time last year and in jan of this year we would not be in the premier league right now.
how quickly some people like to forget heh
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 2, 2011 12:23:06 GMT
absolutly silly thred, how on earth can you blame tango and cash for relegation. nw has been given the backing and has got his players in. its down to him and the team now. if it was not for tango and cash and their investment in the transfer window this time last year and in jan of this year we would not be in the premier league right now. how quickly some people like to forget heh Let me correct you. If it was not for Amit Bhatia and Neil Warnock we would not be in the Premier League. We got promoted despite Tango and Cash them not because of them. Because of Tango and Cash we couldn't get our targets in earlier. If they had given Warnock backing earlier on we wouldn't have had to bring in last gasp targets because all of our others had gone elsewhere. As to 'how quickly some people like to forget heh', we will never forget how those two muppets ripped the heart of our club out and pissed all over it. Your last message was absolute tosh. |
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Post by hitman34 on Sept 2, 2011 12:28:58 GMT
good god. so it had nothing to do with the investment they made. saving us when we were in div1, putting money in to buy the likes of tarrabt,smith,mackie,hulse and the rest.
we made it to the promise land only because of warnock, amit and the magic wand. BOLLOCKS!
i quit this board and this site. your a bunch of blinkered idiots.
GOODBYE
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 2, 2011 12:33:09 GMT
good god. so it had nothing to do with the investment they made. saving us when we were in div1, putting money in to buy the likes of tarrabt,smith,mackie,hulse and the rest. we made it to the promise land only because of warnock, amit and the magic wand. BOLLOCKS! i quit this board and this site. your a bunch of blinkered idiots. GOODBYE I think that's a little strong of a response: But obviously that's your prerogative. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 2, 2011 12:33:19 GMT
If we had had the shackles taken off two months ago and let Warnock get on with the job, this team would have jelled by now. Yes, you can blame tango & cash for that. F***ing everyone around so unnecessarily. And that other idiot costing the club an unnecessary 850k didn't help things. And still he survives. Captain F***ing Scarlett.
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Post by sharky on Sept 2, 2011 12:41:41 GMT
Of course we blame Tango & Cash. They are in the past so and were seen as villains so they get the blame. End of story!!!  |
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 2, 2011 12:42:38 GMT
I'm sorry Harlow/Rory but I kinda agree with hitman here that little blame can be apportioned to Flabio and Ecclescakes if we fail to stay up.
ok, so they sold the club late. not necessarily their fault, as no buyers matched their estimations.
we were only 1 or 2 games in when we were bought (and therefore 3 points up), so it should have no impact on the season.
and everyone harping on about "we got promoted despite them" is a little rich. yes they damaged our reputation in the process, but i 100% don't think we would be in the epl if they hadn't bought us when they did.
i'm not sticking up for these mugs in the slightest, but we are 3 games into the season, and have bought 13 players including SWP and Barton.
if we cant stay up with these players then we don't deserve to be in the epl. finish.
and lone, the fact that paladini still has a job must mean something. yes he's an idiot of the highest order, but even TF has kept him on in some capacity. that's his prerogative. he obviously thinks that a £800k fine for the likes of faurlin is good money.
fyi - i am gonna keep reading this thread for responses, but am not gonna post in it again as i don't think it will be constructive to argue my point.
and lol at sharky, he has the best point so far.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 2, 2011 12:47:19 GMT
I don't think that just because Gianni is still here at the beginning of September is in any way an indicator of Fernandes satisfaction with him; just that he hasn't had a chance of fully look at all aspects of how things are operating. But of course we'll see.
I would greatly regret any poster - especially you Gibraltar - to not continue arguing your perspective. I think it's great we can disagree. That's the intent of the board. But obviously I respect you desision. And appreciate your perspective.
Best way to "come to conclusions", etc is Thesis...Antithesis...Synthesis
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Post by kempton ranger on Sept 2, 2011 12:58:10 GMT
OK hypothetically we get relegated!
1. Do you sack NW because he got relegated.?
2. Keep NW because he knows how to get out of Championship.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 2, 2011 13:00:43 GMT
hitman puts up a good debate and you too gib, carry on. I don't mind you guys arguing you're point. You're being constructive about it.
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 2, 2011 13:01:13 GMT
ok kempton i'm out of retirement.
that question is just too clever.
if i kept warnock until the final day, it would only be because we were doing well points wise (40+).
so if we got relegated i would keep him to get back up... then sack him.
i'm fickle like that.
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Post by kempton ranger on Sept 2, 2011 13:06:42 GMT
Your a mean business man Gib .
FairPlay
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 2, 2011 13:07:11 GMT
Tough question that Kempton. It depends on how we actually did I suppose. If we get bad luck, some terrible injuries and then miss out on staying up by a few points then keep him. If we do a Derby then I'm afraid that's not good enough.
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Post by harlowranger on Sept 2, 2011 13:27:38 GMT
Well it was just a thread for discussion , i was no way condemning anyone just seeing what the general take was .
I did not start the thread with i blame T and C although i think they could have sold earlier once we were promoted so i suppose i do still blame them in some way .
Yes Briatore and Ecclestone came in when we needed them to , yes they sacked endless managers tried running the team , made us look a laughing stock to the whole of the football nation .
But they did invest yes that is true..
I'm not going into the incompetence side of them re Faurlingate /Season ticket prices and everything else.
I'm simply saying could they have sold the Club earlier
like Lone stresses to give Neil the whole window to buy in not just 13 days now we have to get them to gel !
The other side is.
Did we buy players before the new investment that we actually
needed to have in the squad?
Personally i think Neil will be part responsible now because he has 35 games with players he wants now.
It was just a discussion topic , didnt think it really warranted an i quit , you are blinkered idiots but each to there own opinion i take no offence by that, if you, feel that strongly then ok .
There has certainly been alot sillier threads out there than this one in my opinion , but if you want to carry on posting here Hitman its fine by me!
Everyone is welcome to an opinion , but of course it shouldnt get personal.
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Post by harlowranger on Sept 2, 2011 13:31:43 GMT
OK hypothetically we get relegated! 1. Do you sack NW because he got relegated.? 2. Keep NW because he knows how to get out of Championship. Good question Kempton , i would say keep him until he retires . But not many Managers that get relegated keep there jobs once they go down to get back up again . Did some stats on it once and it was really frightening how few were kept on !(will try to find it ) keep him to get us back up i say , but i dont think we will be in that position anyway , think we can make 16-17th now.ok  |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 2, 2011 13:35:17 GMT
Mittal put in two offers which when consideriing what Briatorie & Ecclestone paid for the club, was rather generous. But these two turned both offers down and it became personal. They decided they were not going to sell to Mittal regardless. that is why I am annoyed. One point Hitman is right on, now that we have a squad capable, we should not get relegated and if we did, then the squad and Warnock will have to accept some blame. But why oh why did it take so long?
Of course at the end of the day, I'll assume none of us want to see the worst case scenario achieved. Not even hitman. I don't think we will.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Sept 2, 2011 13:52:36 GMT
Firstly I don't think we will get relegated If we do Nobody is really to blame its simply the gap between the championship and Premiership is just to great and I would have faith we would come straight back up.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 2, 2011 14:06:45 GMT
Mittal put in two offers which when consideriing what Briatorie & Ecclestone paid for the club, was rather generous. But these two turned both offers down and it became personal. They decided they were not going to sell to Mittal regardless. that is why I am annoyed. One point Hitman is right on, now that we have a squad capable, we should not get relegated and if we did, then the squad and Warnock will have to accept some blame. But why oh why did it take so long? Of course at the end of the day, I'll assume none of us want to see the worst case scenario achieved. Not even hitman. I don't think we will. It took so long because they had to wait while they pocketed all the promotions money. |
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Post by Markqpr on Sept 2, 2011 14:33:46 GMT
No. I think they sold the club in time for us to be the makers of our own destiny this season. Fernandes has strengthened the squad without spending large amounts on fees with some astute purchases and they are Warnock's choices as well. Even if we were to go down and you wrongly blamed Flabio and Ecclestone, they did get us promoted during their last year so it does kind of even things out, so it's not really worth it!  good god. so it had nothing to do with the investment they made. saving us when we were in div1, putting money in to buy the likes of tarrabt,smith,mackie,hulse and the rest. we made it to the promise land only because of warnock, amit and the magic wand. BOLLOCKS! i quit this board and this site. your a bunch of blinkered idiots. GOODBYE Blinkered idiots? Seriously? Can you not see that if you take one post from one poster and then judge the entire message board based on that and then insult everyone, then that is not only hypocritical but also ignorant and unnecessarily offensive? It in fact, I'm afraid to say makes you look like a blinkered idiot.  At least you demonstrated your description so as to leave us all in no doubt of what one is. Thanks and goodbye! |
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 2, 2011 14:38:31 GMT
don't go mark, we don't ALL think you're a blinkered idiot  |
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Post by Markqpr on Sept 2, 2011 14:40:12 GMT
don't go mark, we don't ALL think you're a blinkered idiot I wish I could say the same thing to you. |
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Post by sharky on Sept 2, 2011 14:40:44 GMT
I know we have a better team than we had before T&C sold but I certainy don't see it as a team that can take it for granted that it is good enough to make sure we stay up. It's an average epl team nothing more and nothing less. One positive is that should we find ourselves in the relegation zone in January there will be funds available to get new players.
One thing I worry about is that we have a number of "problem" players. If the wheels come off all h*ll wil break loose!!!
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Post by gibraltar on Sept 2, 2011 14:46:43 GMT
lol mark, one day you'll grow to hate me slightly less.
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Post by ingham on Sept 2, 2011 16:43:54 GMT
Mark has a point. We don't know what they get up to among themselves, but it is healthy - and informative, in its own way - to speculate, of course. It is also too early to judge. There have been no published accounts for a while, and I don't know anything about the deal, but I'm happy to talk about what other supporters believe about it, or the things our 'investors' say. Personally, I don't blame Ecclestone. Unusually, a bit like Richard Thompson, he was honest. About not giving a toss, I mean. We knew where we stood with him I didn't like him, but it wasn't personal. We KNEW he was on the make. It's the other f***ers I don't trust ;D. So I take the easy way out. I'm an Rs supporter, so I credit the Club with everything. All our so-called representatives - manager, players, directors, investors, shareholders, owners - are DEBITING the Club with every penny they can get out it, I think that's fair enough. It's QPR's name on the trophies, QPR's name in the League table and other competitions, QPR's money, assets, resources, league status and, first and foremost, support which matter. Just as it's those things that our 'investors' speculate against, always at the Club's expense as far as I can see. And to me, that is the opposite of what we stand for, what supporting the Club means. So the reality, for me, is not what this or that speculator says that matters. It is QPR's results on the pitch, and our results off the pitch, as embodied in the Club's accounts, are what matter, and they're the nearest to the reality of what is going on at the Club that we will get. The reassuring thing is that it is hard to fake it in football. The game is unforgiving. Chancers and posers are soon found out. Even if there is some measure of talent, they're only here in the first place, and they're only able to demonstrate those talents because QPR is paying and paying. As soon as the Club stops lining their pockets, they'll be gone. We don't ALL have to think this way, naturally . How dull that would be. And I realise that someone must like the sonofabitches ;D. |
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Post by waterbuffalo on Sept 2, 2011 17:57:52 GMT
i would say its all down to warnock and players now. Gib is right. He has his squad, he has to figure out which players to put on, it could take till november until he gets this team and tactics right. To expect wins straightaway is unrealistic. Warnock has to sort out all three areas of the team, though I do hope he plays derry, faurlin and barton together, and let the wingers fly . |
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Post by harlowranger on Feb 11, 2012 21:05:52 GMT
Bump this old one aswell , hope you dont mind maybe could merge with yours Elmermark but thought it would be good to see what we thought back in August , !
If you agree Elmer will merge it ?
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