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Post by QPR Report on Mar 28, 2009 6:51:57 GMT
I'd say, if it's legal to do it, it should be done. Obviously arguments either way. But when it's moved beyond having the "cream" of the world to just having players you sign from abroad cos they're cheaper, bad Guardian
Blatter's foreign player clampdown 'xenophobic rhetoric', says Scudamore• Premier League wants best players in the world
• Homegrown footballers will learn from foreignersThe Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore has described Sepp Blatter's proposal to limit the number of foreigners playing in the top flight of the English game as "xenophobic rhetoric". Earlier this week the Fifa president accused the Premier League of being too focused on making money, and complained there are not enough homegrown players in first teams. Scudamore is opposed to Blatter's 6+5 rule – which would see a maximum of five foreign players in starting line-ups in domestic games – and insists the England team's recent success proves the league has the right balance. "I do struggle where nationalism, jingoism and patriotism stops and where actually some sort of xenophobic rhetoric takes over," said Scudamore. "And there is a certain amount of that in the football world when I keep getting told 'how can English football be English football when there are not enough English players in a particular team?' I struggle with that when everyone bar David Beckham who is qualified to play for England at the top level is playing at home. "I start to worry that these start to sound like the sort of attitudes that are quite difficult to justify in my football world and I for one am not going to allow that agenda to be washed over. There is nobody more proud of the England football team than me but we can't let that spill over into fear and this sort of agenda." Responding to claims that English players face too much competition from foreign imports, Scudamore insisted homegrown players are given the opportunity to reach the top level. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/27/richard-scudamore-sepp-blatter-fifa-foreigners-football
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Post by cpr on Mar 28, 2009 6:56:29 GMT
"I do struggle where nationalism, jingoism and patriotism stops and where actually some sort of xenophobic rhetoric takes over,"
When did Blatter join the BNP then?
Scudamore is an idiot.
Your comment in italics is about right.
Also any ban of this nature is illegal under EU law so it would mainly affect South America and stop Australia having a decent side. Maybe not, the Aussies are spread all over the shop actually.
Edit: Blatter is also an idiot. Platini is French.
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 28, 2009 8:15:29 GMT
Surely football is one of life few meritocracies, I'm with Wenger on this, I don't care what passport a players has if he's good enough and clearly if two players are of similar ability and one is cheaper it is only sensible to take the cheaper option. The only real argument for this is for the national squads and I don't really care whether England or Portugal suffer if QPR gain from it.
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Post by cpr on Mar 28, 2009 9:27:48 GMT
I would agree with that Eus although I am more club and country. Doesn't really matter that much though, being one of the "older R's" fans and English, won the world cup in '66 and the league cup in '67. Hence club and country have promised and disappointed in equal measure.
Feel a touch of sympathy for my three sons though, Hillsborough being the highlight of their footballing affinity! Oh and the Cardiff disappointment for different reasons obviously.
In those 40 odd years, having or not having foreign players has made no difference to the English nationl team. Being selfish, I like to see all the best on the planet playing in our league and not someone elses. Used to look at Italian football and Spanish to a lesser degree, when they had them all.
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 28, 2009 10:17:06 GMT
Creating any type of rule or law that discriminates against anybody is fundamentally wrong.
The failure of the national team is down to the individual nation. To blame 'johnny foreigner' is laughable and frankly unforgivable. Not enough players eligible to play for England playing in the premiership? Then the F.A. need to hire some people that can organise a national scouting and training program, that is effective. Basically tear down the old decrepit, dysfunctional boys club that is the F.A., hire some effective people, who can choose a decent manager (Capello is a start) and invest in the youth in this country. Left to the clubs, which now are businesses more than sports and athletics clubs, the cheaper option will always be the case and players coming from less wealthy countries will offer the more profitable option. Look at us. Steve Brown fired off the back of 1 result in a cost cutting exercise after years of productive and excellent work with the youth team. Funny thing is, you really want to cut costs?: Develop the youth academy and feed yourself.
All in all, it's a lack of funding and care over the younger players coming through that is more detrimental to the national squad than anything (or anyone) else and to blame foreigners for the state of our national team not only doesn't make any sense but is derisable human behaviour.
In the club versus country debate, as far as I am concerned, I am QPR, I just happen to be English as well!
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 28, 2009 10:46:18 GMT
The problem is not about the "best players in the world" as by definition there are only a few of them and their playing in the English would only enhance it's quality.
No the problem is the now huge numbers of foreign players who are actually no better than many many of our own young players could be if given the chance to develop. The clubs keep taking the cheap option and are creating a situation where clubs will no longer have any connection to local communities whatever. Foreign owners, foreign managers, foreign coaches and foreign players - we've arrived here already. Scudamore is a fine one to talk,he even wanted to start taking the games abroad. Why do you support QPR ? You might as well support ABC, XYZ or any three capital letters of your choice. Give us our game, our clubs and our players back.
p.s. Eusabio, I hope nobody imports cheap foreign labour and takes away your job.
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 28, 2009 11:04:37 GMT
The problem is not about the "best players in the world" as by definition there are only a few of them and their playing in the English would only enhance it's quality. No the problem is the now huge numbers of foreign players who are actually no better than many many of our own young players could be if given the chance to develop. The clubs keep taking the cheap option and are creating a situation where clubs will no longer have any connection to local communities whatever. Foreign owners, foreign managers, foreign coaches and foreign players - we've arrived here already. Scudamore is a fine one to talk,he even wanted to start taking the games abroad. Why do you support QPR ? You might as well support ABC, XYZ or any three capital letters of your choice. Give us our game, our clubs and our players back. p.s. Eusabio, I hope nobody imports cheap foreign labour and takes away your job. As I think I said football is a true meritocracy (yes I checked I did) and therefore the best players rise to the top and I suspect I can get a pretty good Latvian centreback for less than an equally skill English one, what's wrong with that......do we really think that the main reason why England haven't won anything since 66 is cheap payer imports? We perhaps forget England's failure to qualify for Argentina in 78 & W.Germany in 74 both when the top division was predominantly a British player league. As for my personal employment its not really relevant but I would hope that in an open market it would be my skills that get me/keep my job, not my nationality. |
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 28, 2009 11:13:11 GMT
Nationality has seen hundreds of thousands of jobs outsourced to India with no reference the the skills of the people they have replaced. Don't bury your head in the sand the "market" you talk about isn't "open" any more
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 28, 2009 11:15:31 GMT
Nationality has seen hundreds of thousands of jobs outsourced to India with no reference the the skills of the people they have replaced. Don't bury your head in the sand the "market" you talk about isn't "open" any more I won't get dragged into a political argument on this but are you saying there are players playing for clubs not because they're good but because they're cheap? |
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 28, 2009 11:18:46 GMT
In one word YES
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 28, 2009 11:27:03 GMT
Well I think you're wrong but that's an just an opinion. Ok lets say I have a notional budget of £110pw and I on average can pay players at £10pw each so I can have 11 players surely I will find the best 11 players I can get for £10 each. If I can find a good English rightback for £10pw and a good Hungarian for £8pw, I'm going to hire the Hungarian but not at the cost of my teams overall quality. Why would I play players who aren't as good as other players I could have if they fit within my budget? |
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 28, 2009 12:20:42 GMT
The answer is that football is not like any other job. It takes many years to develop a player to league standards and only a few go all the way. What is happening is that clubs are going to poorer countries and picking up players who are further along the development path and discarding the prospects in their own academies because there is no room in the club for too many players. Just look on your own doorstep. QPR have just had the most successful three years of youth team results in the clubs history yet it looks as though they are giving it less and less attention. This means many, many, young players are being cast aside without being given the slightest chance. In all things you have to plan for the future, and if you always persist in taking the cheap and easy policy it can only lead to ultimate failure.
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Post by eusebio13 on Mar 28, 2009 14:04:12 GMT
The answer is that football is not like any other job. It takes many years to develop a player to league standards and only a few go all the way. What is happening is that clubs are going to poorer countries and picking up players who are further along the development path and discarding the prospects in their own academies because there is no room in the club for too many players. Just look on your own doorstep. QPR have just had the most successful three years of youth team results in the clubs history yet it looks as though they are giving it less and less attention. This means many, many, young players are being cast aside without being given the slightest chance. In all things you have to plan for the future, and if you always persist in taking the cheap and easy policy it can only lead to ultimate failure. But that's about QPR's short-termism, the big clubs have huge academies and most of those players are discarded along the way and either drop out of the football but if they're good enough they re-appear down the football league food chain probably at their appropriate level. I just don't believe if you are good enough and committed enough you won't find your level in football. |
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